The musician started dating Australian model Helena Vestergaard in 2013, and they split after being together for approximately two years.
Before that, Kiedis, now 63, had a relationship with Heather Christie, who was 22 years his junior. When the pair welcomed their son, Everly Bear, in 2007, Kiedis was 44 and his partner was 21.
In the latest episode of My Therapist Ghosted Me, Williams and her co-host Joanne McNally discussed age-gap relationships, with the former I’m a Celebrity campmate saying: “Do you know who else I find really disappointing, because I really like the Red Hot Chili Peppers? Anthony Kiedis.”
Seemingly referring to his romance with Vestergaard, Williams continued: “He is like 54 or something, and he is going out with a 19-year-old. And it is like, ‘Dude, what are you talking about?’”
McNally replied: “I’ve seen this. I just accept now that most men, all men, are drawn to – I’m going to be very careful how I say this – significantly younger women. That’s all I’m going to say. It is what it is and I don’t think there’s any getting away from it. We judge it but it’s not going to change.”
“I would have to say that it is not all men,” Williams continued. “Because I do think it is a very specific thing.”
Addressing why younger women might decide to date older men, McNally added: “And of course, people like him [Anthony Kiedis] and rockstars like him can get away with it because no 19-year-old girl wants to be going out with some old lad who is driving a Toyota Corolla around town.
She called him out for dating a consenting adult. Sure, it’s a big, creepy age gap, but that’s their business.
Maybe she didn’t know about the time when he was banging a 14-year-old.
I think she’s trying to open a dialog about his predilection to younger women. Break the ice with an icky agegap, when they have your attention bring up the stat rape.
some old lad driving a Toyota Corolla
I feel targeted
This is so funny to me. It’s sexist, straight up. You can dislike it but this is sexist towards women.
When I was 19 nobody would’ve cared if I was with a 50 year old, unless it was a man, because then that’s sinful or something. If I was with a 90 year old woman, people would accuse me of taking advantage of her.
Let people do what they want, isn’t that what this society we operate in is supposed to be about? If I wanna lick 90 year old wieners and buns, let me do me.
And it’s not like you can’t call him out for being a pedophile.
He was literally dating a 14 year old when he was 23.
Call him out for THAT. Not for dating an adult.
Agreed 1000%. Bigger fish to fry.
While its really weird. Shes a consenting adult, both consented. So ok ig
Yeah i hate this shit. You can think it’s skeevy on a personal level, but she’s an adult, she gave consent, and she can make her own decisions. Infantilising women is not the way to go.
Were a woman too, honestly whenever a really old woman starts dating a really young man, ask of a sudden it’s ok? Feel as if this is very gender oriented than it being age oriented.
Let her get her bag, honestly people hovering over celebrities like idols and peering/obsessing into their personal lives like this is just invasive and sad.
19yo women don’t have agency, apparently.
There should be firm sets of laws that allow you to only have relationships with people within 2 years of your own age, with a death penalty for anyone who violates it. That would bring justice and keep people safe and happy for sure.
19 year olds only know what they’re doing and are responsible for themselves when dating someone up to 21. Anyone older than that is evil, and both of them should be put to death. Likewise 40 year olds have agency and personal responsibility when dating anyone between 38-42, but is they step outside that range they’re either a predator or victim and can’t be trusted with making their own decisions, so they should be publicly shamed… and also put to death.
You should be publicly shamed.
Hopefully you’ve now met your quota and can be a decent human being to the rest of the folks you interact with today.
Very funny, after changing your comment about telling people to kill themselves. Get your shit together.
My comment never said anyone should kill themselves. I made a sarcastic reply than seemed to go over people’s heads because reading is tough, so I edited it to clarify.
Prudes mad that rock star is dating an adult woman. More news to follow!
Why do old men always take advantage of young girls? Surely it’s time for a young girl to take advantage of an old man for a change.
How do you know that’s not what happened? Do you have all the details of their private relationship?
That does happen and they’re transactional relationships. This and Leonardo DiCaprio’s young girl friends probably want access to the Hollywood parties to meet with directors and producers. As long as the people are adults, I do not care. Keep the focus on the Epstein Island people.
Melania is 24 years younger than Trump.
My issue with her is she’s a Russian asset.
For sure. I probably should have put an “/s” at the end of my comment.
In these instances the couples use each other - which I think makes both of them as bad as each other. Both are predators hunting prey.
Like you mention, the difference with Epstein & co is immense.
This is not music, it’s gossip.
Y’know, gossip as a term has had a lot of different connotations. Some would argue that gossip is a way for people to keep others safe by letting them know of dangers (and dangerous people) that they otherwise wouldn’t have known.
I don’t see anything in the rules about music related topics being forbidden.
Thank you for keeping us safe from Anthony Kiedis
I’m Kiedis proof: I’m not in California.
I think my sarcasm was entirely missed? Or are you continuing the banter? I don’t spend enough time online, I feel like a grandma.
Continuing the banter. Riffing on Red Hot Chilli Peppers’ well-documented fixation on California.
We’ve come a long way since it was normalized for grown men to rape 14 year olds. We can go further.
What is your further? 60 year old men dating 18 year olds is creepy, don’t get me wrong, but if the 18 year old is consenting and content in the relationship (and wasn’t groomed!) where is the problem? I was being snarky before but now I’m genuinely curious.
I think that it’s possible for age-gap relationships to be healthy. I believe that the more experienced partner has a duty to leave the less experienced partner in as good a mental and physical shape or better after the relationship. I believe in adults having autonomy and freedom to make their own choices.
That doesn’t mean I reserve judgement for the older partner in situations where it’s clear they are putting their own selfish wants ahead of the younger person’s well-being. I don’t trust that Kiedis treats these young women with regard to their well-being based on his history of raping young teens.
So it’s nuanced, as anything I try to approach in life.
I spread awareness about these kinds of topics because people like Kiedis still rarely see any jail time for the crimes that preceded these age-gap relationships.
Oh I see what you mean now, I was missing some important context and just concluded the age gap was the issue.
Nobody tell him his choice in partners makes him look ridiculous, he is a laughing stock for all around him (but similar-minded men). I’m around his age, and couldn’t tolerate the chatter personally. SHADDUP SHADDUP GET OUT
I prefer my partners to be twice-or-thrice-divorced, with eyes that have stared deep into the void.
And of course, people like him [Anthony Kiedis] and rockstars like him can get away with it because no 19-year-old girl wants to be going out with some old lad who is driving a Toyota Corolla around town.
Any old codger can get a younger woman, he just has to lower his standards drastically.
Every one of those people on 600-pound life have a partner.
A rich old codger/cougar doesn’t have to lower their standards, but as we can see here, Kiedis’ standards are “young and skinny”. Whatever, weenie. You suck and your band is shit
Vogue Williams and Joanne Mcnally are b-tier nepo-baby local celebs in Ireland. Having said that, Kiedis was probably a weird dude to say the least.
Broken clocks and all that.
They’re probably more qualified to talk about predatory creeps in Hollywood and the music scene than most then.
Damn I don’t know what it is about Lemmy, but it just brings the pedophiles out of the woodwork. This comment section is bleak.
If people wanna talk about his underage girlfriends from forty years ago have at it. Acting like this is at all the same thing is infantilizing the adult woman he’s dating, and it just shows how utterly broken some people’s minds are when the subject of sex comes up.
Man at first I did not understand cause Im late and sorted for score. Its like those Iceberg videos in here the further down you go, the more depressing it gets.
The sexism and pedophilia openly embraced on Lemmy almost pushed me away completely when I first came here. I’m trying to be the change I want to see here instead.
Ma’am, you do a fantastic job at being the change we love to see.
This is literally my face at 4:20am today reading some of these comments
Edit: Fuck, some nasty people in these comments. I need a joint and it’s not even 5am 🤢
<3
Hahaha that image is perfect.
lol yeah, some folks be nasty and that’s my fave while scrolling
Love me some Seven of Nine 💚
I’ve seen tankies and extreme libertarians but none of what up mention here.
May I ask if you’re a man?
I don’t particularly identify with any physical sex. I am gay however.
I find AFAB tend to pick up on the subtleties of sexists and misogynists a little easier than AMAB people tend to simply because of life experience.
There’s a lot of misogyny that’s allowed with very little pushback on Lemmy.
I don’t disagree with you and am not surprised. There are a lot of immature people and those who are not able to recognize their own emotions. I tend to be sensitive to such things but may not always be subject to them myself.
I’m sure I have blind spots to some stuff like this that as well. I know I’ve stumbled occasionally with my own husband as he’s a different race than I am. Since I haven’t experienced racism personally, it can be harder to spot immediately for instance.
Like I said though, it hasn’t been enough to push me away completely and I’m working on making the fediverse more diverse :)
I haven’t seen that, personally, I have found the majority here to be rabidly against those things. I was made aware of this particular pedophile right here on lemmy maybe a year ago and stopped listening to their music
I’ve literally seen not one thread on the topic in which pedophile lovers don’t come out of the woodworks. It’s important to remember that a lot of people are on this website because they were banned from Reddit, some of which for good reason.
A very similar conversation about Steven Tyler happened in the lemmyshitposting community that was appalling. There was an incredible amount of defense for pedophiles there, similar to this thread, except those comments were highly, highly upvoted and supported.
The sexism I have experienced first hand. You should see some of the DMs I get.
Yeah, seriously, what the fuck is wrong with people? A 60 year old sniffing around teenagers and young 20 year olds are creeps and sleezebags. It is not laudable, nor is it “evolutionarily normal”, it is a power imbalance. We are humans, not base animals. We can choose to be better.
Totes agree. However a majority of society has been conditioned to think those with money deserve what they buy and by extension sociaty excuses bad behaviour, due to wanting to follow.
These chicks would not look twice if they didn’t have fame or money. It is a power imbalance and the old pervs can call it what they want, the young girls can use names like sugar baby to soften it, but it’s still tacky and degrading behaviour.
So you going be Leonardo DiCaprio? Because he may very continue dating young women in his 80’s.
He’s a creep.
He’s gross now for his dating record. We don’t have to wait until he’s in his 80’s to judge him.
For all the free will people purport to have, there are so many people who would much rather not have a choice and wrap themselves in deciet to defend their abhorrent behaviour, rather than actually just choose to be better.
Perhaps everyone is coasting so hard they don’t even comprehend that they can choose
From Kiedis’s Wikipedia article ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Kiedis ):
Kiedis acknowledges in his autobiography Scar Tissue that he had sexual relations with a 14-year-old girl when he was 23, before and after learning of her age, in the 1980s. This inspired him to write the song “Catholic School Girls Rule”
….
Kiedis had a relationship with actress Ione Skyein the late 1980s starting when he was 24 and she was 16.
Then talk about that, not him currently dating an adult woman.
If a consenting young adult wants to be with an old person, more power to them, but these are actually gross and should put him in jail
Insane.
We put a dude from my hometown in prison for doing that shit.
Yeh, but did that dude sing ‘Under The Bridge’?
He was gross and it was the 90’s. I’m sure he sang it all the time.
Ugh, so what… Grow up. This is the kind of stuff that should be left behind on reddit.
Nah, reddit is the hive of pedo apologists. Here we give a shit about power imbalances and other things that highlight how previously socially acceptable behaviors are actually fucking awful and should bring social, if not legal, repercussions.
Sure, but there is just one thing in this case - that is the basis of the conclusion. Because, the basis of the premise is… Missing. Only one variable is indicated: age, and that solely doesnt constitute the basis here - in fact its valueless.
But we all already know power imbalance has other factors and inappropriate behaviours can happen despite the age (even same age relationships), right?
In fact, we rather generalise minorities to make ourselves better, despite what the big picture tells us - and that is how discrimination breeds.
Only one variable is indicated: age, and that solely doesnt constitute the basis here - in fact its valueless.
Absolutely incorrect. The human brain is not fully developed at 18, and that’s a fact. The prefrontal cortex is necessary for the most advanced brain functions such as empathy and extended causal considerations. And it doesn’t finish developing until well into your 20s.
This “age is just a number” argument only works on the uneducated and closet pedos. Get an education.
Absolutely incorrect. The human brain is not fully developed at 18, and that’s a fact
Hold on a minute, at what point where we talking about minors here. The hole point was revolving around adults not people which are <18. I’m trying to understand you, but throwing straw men isn’t going to make your ideals better.
In addition, you seem quite confident in believing the brain develops to your 20s - to the point where you find insults to be a valid strategy. To that I’m going to respond with https://slate.com/technology/2022/11/brain-development-25-year-old-mature-myth.html and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_matures_at_25_myth.
Before making absurd takes please try to actually educate yourself on your own beliefs - Its OK to be wrong.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3621648/
Among the actual educated community, adolescence is understood to continue into the mid-twenties and your appeal to popsci media does not change that. You’re full of shit. Get blocked, pedo apologist.
Edit: LOL also you formatted your links backwards. Well done.
Among the actual educated community, adolescence is understood to continue into the mid-twenties and your appeal to popsci media does not change that.
But where we actually talking about that. Please think through it for just a second. Moving the goalposts isnt going to get us nowhere considering the fact youre just blindly throwing scientific articles.
Reread the thread again, slowly and carefully. I ain’t throwing insults neither should you. And if you still think there is shit involved: read the articles, look it up on your browser and understand that we aren’t even close to the supposed “pedophilia” you’re so focused on.
Discriminate all you’d like, but I want to clearly understand why youre doing it. Insults isnt going to do much here.
Progress is a game of inches and awareness is a powerful tool.
If you want to continue to enjoy the music of your childhood, never look into the personal lives of the artists who made it. It will make you very sad/angry
One exception from the horrifying classic rock era is Pink Floyd. At least nothing that I am aware of from those guys.
Waters is somewhat crazy lately, but he’s also old as fuck, so eh.
The keyboard player had mental breakdowns from Waters bullying him. Syd Barrett literally went crazy. They made loads of money from their music, but lost it all to shady investments and had to live in tax exile. Two different versions exist of the flying pig in the live show, one with balls and one without, because of Gilmore and Waters falling out. There are some good stories with Pink Floyd.
I think Rush as well. So far so good anyway.
Weird Al.
Tool’s members are pretty boring… Except Maynard … Who plays in multiple bands, runs a winery/vineyard, runs several businesses, and yells at people to get off his lawn…
Speaking as someone who is/was moderately obsessive about Tool, I regret to inform you that Maynard is credibly accused of rape
If you’re talking about the 2018 allegation. I don’t remember that allegation being considered “credible.”. If you have additional information since then, please link it for me and I will look at it.
Arizona stronghold! Got to meet him at a greenwise market event in Boca Raton. You could tell he didn’t want to be there, and it was only his curly haired partner doing all the hand shaking. He didn’t sign with the classic x’s and I was kinda disappointed.
But I like the cranberries :<
Do you have to?
Do you have to?
Can confirm. Child of the 80s. Absolutely huge Michael Jackson fan. Not so much now.
Oh, no. PLEASE tell me Michael Jackson doesn’t really have anything questionable in his past. I’m hoping it’s something minor?
minor
That’s the claim, anyway. Supposedly, according to media outlets and one specific family he invited children to his property for epstien reasons, not to try and recapture the childhood he wasn’t allowed to have.
Idk if I believe he did anything, but bare minimum some former child actors that have said “no he definitely didn’t try anything with me but other people in Hollywood did” and I find that more compelling than a talking head on a news program who is “just asking questions”
He definitely took young boys into his bedroom, locked the door and slept in the same bed as them. He admitted as much himself. He was in his forties at the time.
Whether he did what he was accused of will never be 100% proven as there’s no other evidence than the testimony of the two victims, but their stories are so similar it seems fairly likely (unless they colluded), to be true. Furthermore, fact that they both maintain their stories despite having absolutely nothing to gain from it also lends creedance to their story. I loved MJ, I don’t want it to be true, but my gut tells me that where there’s smoke, there’s fire.
Michael Jackson was acquitted every time though, all signs point to him being slandered and the media doing what they do best - fucking up someone’s life over accusations.
If you read his book, he has done much worse.
Yes. That is relevant. This isn’t.
he also had an incredibly weird childhood too. no wonder he grew up to be a creep/freak
