I heard a conservative say the Iran situation is because Trump used to be a democrat and there’s still some democrat in him.
A 100% republican would have fixed Iran in 2 weeks.
Damn in hindsight, it’s obvious he’s a lying piece of shit rapist, but at the time it was obvious too.
… look, whatever it takes to get them to want him gone.
I don’t care if it’s because they think he’s a secret space penguin as long as they vote to impeach and remove.
Nah you see a real republican would have bombed them into submission and sent in the seals to finish the job /s
Fr the only chance of winning would have been by perfectly following the rules of war, showing restraint, and working to arm dissidents and build a resistance capable of running a successful rebellion and governing well. Followed by us helping the new government build itself up. We learned nothing in Vietnam, we learned nothing in Iraq, and by fuck we managed to learn nothing in Afghanistan. We also managed to completely unlearn everything we learned in France, Germany, and Japan.
But had we learned all this we wouldn’t have gone in alone, we’d’ve asked for the UN to call for troops to protect the protesters and worked with the international community to protect human rights.
No no, a REAL Republican would have personally walked into Iran naked, without a security detail, and carrying an American flag and an AR14 while proclaiming the Strait of Hormuz theirs. There’s still time if Trump or any tech CEO wants to show off their masculinity.
Depending on the Republican, would be a good chance for a reckless invasion that gets a lot of Americans killed.
What a pedo rapist little bitch trump is
why do you support subjugating north korea to brutal sanctions?
Why are you trying to protect a pedophile?
Oh yeah. Now that I reread it that IS what they said 🙄
you seem to be mad
Nah. I was just bored and waking up.
read lenin dude.
Don’t you have some red team atrocities to equivocate?
what?
Because NK is a shitty country with a tankie Hitler.
when are we sanctioning israel, usa and other terrorist european nations?
That’s the part I don’t like, yeah, Israel, USA and Ukraine should get sanctioned too, along with lots of USA ballsuckers as the UK.
yeah its easy to say those countries should be sanctioned because it will never happen. What is possible tho is to advocate for lifting sanctions from DPRK, more realistic goal
My god he is such a cunt. Has anyone asked Dennis Rodman’s opinion on the matter? They both seem to love NK.
why do you oppose lifting sanctions on north korea?
Why do you constantly put words into people’s mouths all up and down this thread?
Its easy to infer their position coz they are libs.
You don’t know that either, now do you?
There is no left-right. There is only auth-lib.
And no, Libertarians (with a capital L) and ancaps are not on the “lib” end.
Fucking ancaps… Too dumb to understand anarchism. Dumb enough to rally around unfettered capitalism. And extra stupid enough to conflate the two.
Lielbertarians are by definition anti authoritarian. The Ancaps are our right wing fringe capital obsessed subgroup. The green party is our left wing fringe communism obsessed subgroup…
Personally as a relatively centrist Geoist Minarchist Libertarian.
What’s “Lielbertarian” and why does searching for that give me zero results? Is it a typo?
If by “Lielbertarian” you mean the same thing I mean by “Libertarian with a capital L” (and what I mean by that is the U.S. Libertarian Party), then identifying as a “relatively centrist Geoist Minarchist Libertarian” explains why you’d say that “Libertarians are by definition anti authoritarian”.
To a left libertarian (with a lower case l), right-wing “libertarians” (in quotes on purpose) simply prefer to be subjugated by despotic CEOs and landlords employing privately-owned mercenary paramilitary/cop organizations (like the Pinkertons) over being subjugated by despotic tyrants wielding state police and military. They’re “libertarians” in name only. So long as my boss holds the authority to deny me access to the fulfillment of my basic needs and uses that authority to coerce me into creating surplus profit for them, nobody who thinks that’s ok qualifies in my book as “anti authoritarian”. (And no, the right to choose your own master by changing employers doesn’t change whether it’s authoritarian or not.)
Yes it’s a typo. I have fat thumbs, personally I find your assessment is not accurate for the right wing side. Yes we do have very annoying ancaps but some of them swing a lot more hardcore anarchists than capitalists they just avoid the spotlight and live in the woods alone.
Most Libertarians are closer to Ron Swanson than Ron Paul.
Anyone who needs examples should read some Ayn Rand
Especially Atlas Shrugged
Pushed the belief that if you are big corp boss man it’s because you are better than the plebs. Know better than them. Smarter. More sophisticated.
And Anyone being exploited deserves it. It’s their fault for being in their position. They just are lazy and stupid anyway.
Her opinions. Not mine.
Your comment has the same vain as : anyone who wants to see examples of communism should look up stalin. Please don’t paint us all as An caps
We are talking about libertarian views.
And no, to the Stalin remark.
Imo communism in its Marxism form has ever existed so there is no historical example.
Btw. Libertarians praise Atlas Shrugged. It’s like their political manifesto. It’s been praised by many prominent libertarians.
Have you ever tried itonmaning your arguments instead of using here say strawmen? It works a lot better.
So you have no valid criticisms of any statement I made ?
On paper they are “anti authoritarian”. But, it’s not an ideology that actually has the ability to maintain itself. It’s like the right wing version of Anarchism in that there is no good historical example of it being able to maintain its structures.
For anarchist, the failure comes from pressure of external forces and is not able to defend from imperial powers.
For libertarians, the failures are internal. Without a capitalist state to maintain it; the contradictions of capitalism are overwhelming. The “ancap” systems can’t even reach a “true ancap” stateless society before it’s capitalist are begging for the state to defend them and bail them out. Which often just shifts into a state run under an “authoritarian” like dictatorship that serves the interest of capital.
The real material result of libertarian thought just devolves into capitalism with no liberal democracy. With no liberal democracy to absorb the frustrations of the masses; the remaining state turns to more direct militant measures to maintain itself.
It’s the dumb right wingers version of Anarchism. It’s just an ideology that directs the working class to believe that the answer is less state power. But, the capitalist don’t want less state power. They have it. They just want to offer YOU less and believing libertarian bull shit is a good way for the masses to work against their own interest. No capitalist actually wants to dissolve the capitalist controlled state. It’s literally what maintains their power.
There is also socialist-individualist
“Far left”
“Tankie”
Choose one
The left-right spectrum makes less sense to me by the day.
However, I personally define tankies as authoritians who do some mental gymnastics to think that a benevolent “socialist” dictatorship equates to control of society by the workers. (It obviously doesn’t. A dictatorship by a minority is exactly that)
Anyone who defines North Korea as socialist needs to reconsider their political positions, in my opinion.
Just because they’re in opposition to the capitalist South Korea and the worst imperialist nation in the world, the USA, doesn’t mean you need to stand behind the North Korean regime…
All the cool socialists think campism is brainrot (my opinion)
Tankies are what happens when you go all the way left and all the way up into Authoritarianship
end up being right wing. authoritarian in nature is often conservative leaning.
Yeah but right wing in tankie states were called the nomenclature, the old guard
We clearly are having a communication issue here. Right wing has mint pro-capitalism for over 200 years
The distinction between left and right wing comes from the French Revolution. Everyone who wanted to keep the King lined up on the right. Everyone who wanted to try sonething new lined up on the left. Leftism is certainly inherently anti-monarchical, and I would argue also inherently anti-hierarchical. Tankies are right-wing communists; that’s why left wing communists tend to disagree with them.
right wing is support of capitalism left wing is support of Communism You’re not going to change the definition by selectively copy pasting the answer that you got by googling the definition of left right spectrum. You are conflating conservatism with capitalism they are two separate human conditions.
I can also copy paste from Google
Conservatism is a social and political philosophy focused on preserving traditional values, social order, and established institutions. Capitalism is an economic system based on private ownership, market competition, and profit. While often closely allied in modern politics, they represent distinct concepts that can sometimes conflict
I do want to stress that I’m not calling you stupid. I’m just trying to let you know that the words you are using do not mean what you think they mean.
Leftism is certainly inherently anti-monarchical
These words mean five different things to four different people, but I’ll bite. Was the Meiji restoration ‘left’ or ‘right’?
lenin was anti left-com, its ideology of twitter kids.
Right wing and left wing are economic labels communism and capatalism. Right wing people tend to cluster towards the authoritarian side of the authority and liberty scale but so do left wingers.
Tankies:
you use political compass in big 26.
You can be left and authoritarian. At least outside of the US you can, in America all politics get squashed into a single binary choice, so it seems weird.
You can also be left and be right, and dumb and wise, and black and white, all simultaneously! Up is down, back is forwards, authoritarian is left!
No, left is against hierarchy
No, left is socialist (in the broad sense, opposed to individualism)
* Anarchism has entered the chat*
Yea just gonna full sail disagree with you on this claim.
Many types of anarchism fit under the socialist umbrella
Yes, I agree, which would disagree with the other comment’s point that socialism inherently opposes individualism.
Interesting. Where/when are they not opposed?
Edit: Noting that I didn’t mean that they are mutually exclusive outside of social structure… You can take individual actions in a socialist society. The question is just around which is the core principle of the organisation of society.
Edit 2: to me anarchy isn’t inherently individualistic, it is just opposed to power-over social structures. You can have a voluntary socialism. Look at Chiapas, for instance.
As much as i know, anarchy is not indivualist since the entire point of anarchism should be that the community works togheter to do stuff
Schrödinger’s political chessboard
I thought libertarians were against hierarchy
anarchism isnt the only branch of left, similarly how libertarianism isnt the only branch of right. You guys are too confident for associating yourself with a vastly non existent ideology
It’s not a binary. I’m against hierarchal class structures but I still think we need specialists making rules about shit like environmental protection.
The tankies describe themselves as such.
To not be associated with them, more actual far-left adherents need to actively disavow the tankies.
Sorry, that doesn’t play into the both-sides false-equivalency rhetoric. Please delete this comment.
He can’t ask his very good friend Kim in NK for assistance with Iran? What is he even trying to say in the message, other than “herpaderp I have dementia”
He’s trying to throw S. Korea under the bus cause they refused to help against Iran. Assume “petulant child” and you’ll get his intention 90% of the time.
far-right* tankie
But muh bof sides!!!
Ok, so the basic gist im getting is that he begged sk to help save him from his iran quagmire, and when they rejected he said “ok fu” and took strategic resources (includong air craft carrier) out of the region, which finally reduced the pressure enough to sk to finally request peace from nk without daddy US butting in?
Trump got mad at being rejected, and tried to threaten imperilment, but instead it got nuetralized by peace because the us was holding up nk/sk tensions, especially in the latest while?
If so, this should be the strongest evidence for the technique of dealing with us foriegn deplomacy, just turn the chud down and he’ll just give you your soverignty back.
Just stand up to the pretensious bully
Actually I think it’s simply that Kim Jong Un says nice things to Trump and is Trump’s kind of guy, while his counterpart in SK Lee Jae Myung is a kind of bad ass progressive.
Perhaps someone will be along in a moment to tell me how wrong I am but from wikipedia Myung seems to have a pretty amazing story:
Lee grew up in poverty and often missed social activities because his family lacked the funds, relying on school faculty’s support to join field trips and community events. He cited fishing along the creek with friends as one of his favorite pastimes
Like other children from poor families, Lee worked in a handmade necklace factory instead of attending middle school. When the necklace factory went bankrupt, he found work at Dongma Rubber. Because he was underage, he worked under various aliases. While working there, Lee injured his finger
After the first accident, Lee left Dongma Rubber and worked for Daeyang Industry. There, an industrial press crushed his wrist joint in a second injury. The wound went untreated and resulted in a permanent arm disability.
Lee has stated his own experience with severe poverty inspired his political philosophy of “suppressing the strong, helping the weak” (억강부약; 抑強扶弱; eokgangbuyak), which seeks to curb the privileges and excesses of the powerful and support society’s poorest members
… [becomes lawyer] …
After opening his own lawyer’s office, Lee organized for labour and human rights with the lawyers’ organization Minbyun, working with the heads of labour counselling centers in Incheon and Gwangju. In 1995, he started a civic movement as a founding member of the ‘Seongnam Citizens’ Association’. He gained fame as a lawyer and social activist in relation to the “Park View” preferential sale case, where an investigation suggested corruption in the awarding of building permits and preferential sales of property in Bundang to government officials.
On 2 January 2024, Lee was stabbed in the left side of his neck while holding a question and answer session with reporters after touring the construction site of a planned new airport located on Gadeokdo in Busan.
Lee gained international attention in 2024 when, after President Yoon Suk Yeol declared martial law and attempted to stop the National Assembly from convening using the military, he continued to go to the Assembly building anyway. Lee started a livestream on his YouTube channel, recording himself in a car driving to the National Assembly and climbing the National Assembly building fence to bypass the military personnel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Jae_Myung
What a guy. I suspect that he is one of the few national leaders who has refused to felate Trump’s ego.
capitalists gonna capitalist.
One has nukes, the other does not. Trump, whatever his faults, understands what that means.
Does he do this to affect the market evaluation of SK chipmakers? I can’t think of another reason his henchmen talk it through him rn.
Trump was simping for Kim Jong Un during his first term. This is basically a rerun.
Donald Trump has been appointed new administrator of lemmy.ml.
why do you say this
ML stands for Marxist-Leninist, but in practice it stands for kissing the ass of the dictators in China, Russia and North Korea.
I thought it was the national domain of the Metherlands…???
The Metherlands? That’s my new go to for the Missouri boot heel?
lol, I always thought it stands for machine learning
meth learning.
which are all right wing countries by the way, thats why they mirror conservatives.
They’re auth. left-right is the economic style
I am marxist leninist, I support lifting sanctions on North Korea, am I a tankie?
“Wow what a riposte, really roasted that guy. Totally shut down his critique of AES by totally ignoring it and deflecting back to Amerikkka” –Every ml user in every conversation ever
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Original post: trump incorrectly claims a country that constantly launches missiles towards neighbors and had the world’s most recent nuclear bomb test is unthreatening and respectful, in part because he likes Kim Jong Un
Top level comment: wow trump has ml user rhetoric
Comment you replied to: yes, ml users hold irrational NK views in the same line as trump’s tweet
You: wHaT aBoUt [USA] SaNcTiOnS??
Nobody was talking about anything related to sanctions, let alone supporting them. You’ve been trying to drop this non sequiter all over the comment section. In your mind, every geopolitical conversation MUST be directed towards pwning the westoids; any opposition to USA hegemony absolves an actor of defects. That is what makes you a tankie.
Look, I dont even care about the tankie label
I know liberals have this ilk of bloodlust, imperialist wars and military aggression. Its not far fetched to think they would support sanctions on DPRK
Oh my god the /r/pyongyang jokes from 15 years ago are just reality now.
At least they don’t make hidden blocklists to shadownban dissenting opinions. They just dunk on you publicly.
It’s crazy to call that dunkimg on somebody. It’s the equivalent to having to get rid of a houseplant because your idiot trembling chihuahua is scared of it and pisses on the floor whenever it sees it.
You have been banned from Lemmy.ml
I have a great Modlog, probably the best Modlog in the fediverse. People look at my Modlog and ask: How do you do it sir? That’s a beautiful Modlog you have there. My ballroom is gonna be beautiful too.
And all of this is said as The terrorist state of Israel is killing children unchecked.
Please save the innocent Palestinians from the terrorist state known as Israel.
This is where trump is objectively right and liberals have gotten mad they cant spill more korean blood.
I’m so confused
Trump begged the South Koreans to join on Trump’s Iran war. SK said go pound sand. Trump is throwing a tantrum like the baby he is.
