• ☭SaltyIcetea☭ @lemmy.ml
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    2 months ago

    alternatively we could probably do with just reducing population by every CEO/comapany owner/shareholder/leader/whoever has control that refuses to become climate neutral

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      2 months ago

      I like this idea, fuck tax incentives and carbon credits.

      You get to neutral, you shut down your business, or you die. Your choice!

    • Jax@sh.itjust.works
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      2 months ago

      Then the systems that prop up that 1% continue on as if nothing happened, only people might be paid more evenly.

      That’s it. Expecting a fundamental shift in how humanity/global society functions just because a comparitive handful of people die is just ridiculous.

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        2 months ago

        The absence of their influence in Politics will make a massive difference.

        The resources captured by the rich are probably a far smaller part of the problems they make than how they use the money they have to shape Politics and Public Opinion (via the Media they own), hence policies, hence the way our society and economy operates to maximized their own wealth.

        Most Overconsumption and Negative Externality problems (both things that serve to maximized the profits that end up in the hands of Asset Owners and both the kind of thing that most damages the Environment) could be legislated away, but there is no will and there is no will because the politicians and the media are bought by those who benefit from things being as they are, and they are bought because those people have lots of money to buy them with.

        Take the power to buy politicians and deciding what the press puts out away from the rich and all of a sudden profit-reducing pro-Environmental policies are not just politically acceptable but even demanded by public opinion, and given that said rich people would never give up on that without a massivelly destructive fight (literally Revolution), the safest and best option for about 99.9998% of people (8 billion minus 10,000 out of 8 billion) is that if they just die.

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        2 months ago

        But we won’t know for sure unless we try.

        And of course if they are gone, they won’t be there to kick and scream like children against every step of progress.

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    2 months ago

    Most of the destruction is Capitalism and Consumer Society overproduction and overexploitation - a lot of unecessary shit is done and a lot of what’s done is done in unecessarily destructive ways (with lots of Negative Externatities) when it could’ve been done in far less destructive but less profit-generating ways, all because our political and economic structures are dedicated to the maximization of the wealth of the richest people.

    (It’s not by chance that Ecologist parties are generally leftwing - the politicies for protecting the Environment are generally diametrally opposite of the politicies that maximize the investment profits of those who own most shit and have the most money)

    I bet that only about 100 people need to die (all billionaires) to save the planet, an acceptable sacrifice.

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    2 months ago

    Or we could try to not live and consume resources at the scale of the average US household (let alone the accursed millionaire and billionaire classes).

    Plenty of stuff to go around actually

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    2 months ago

    population x individual emissions = global emissions

    Which number you want to change says a lot about your politics.

    edit: given it’s the daily mail *spits on the ground* it’s very likely the researchers didn’t even say anything about which number to tune, the daily mail just added their special flavor to the headline. (probably also have a good idea which 4 billion has to go)

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    2 months ago

    Actually scientists in the 1970s were saying we need to do what we can to stabilize AT the 4 billion we were at then. See Limits to Growth and related studies. Cutting back now would help, but far more damage has been caused thanks to everything we’ve done including but not limited to population pressures than if we had heeded the warnings then and changed our direction. Some feedbacks are probably unstoppable now, no matter what we cut back.

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      That was primarily about the ability to provide food. The same scientists back then would have said we can’t even reach this population level while eating meat.

      They were correct until we advanced agricultural science and found ways to more than double our food production.

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        It was about estimating the effect of continued world population growth on the world’s carrying capacity. It’s true that it did not have a lot of other variables at play, one important one being climate change. So if anything it was a best case of just a few known parameters, and not all the ones we’ve affected, many that wouldn’t even be known then. The model’s projections hold up well enough to have been a wake up call to do something drastically different. And we didn’t.

        The fact that we now recognize a date each year where Earth has reached its carrying capacity and that date steadily gets earlier should suggest they were right too. Along with plenty of recent studies that say the absolute maximum is probably around 11 billion (so maybe you are a bit correct in saying our tech has given us a bit more room), but the optimum population from these studies is around 2.5 billion.

        It does depend on both the minimum standard of living being used as well as how well resources are distributed. If we set almost everyone to the lowest levels now existing, perhaps we could get a few billion more. If it doesn’t spike the death rates and reduce birth rates.

  • Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip
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    1 month ago

    I kind of liked how they acknowledged the backwards thinking Thanos had in the new Spider-Man movie and just made it a joke.

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    1 month ago

    The upper crust (the top 1/2%) want the ‘herd’ trimmed by 96%. This leaves 3.5% left to feed and slave for the 1/2% who will be living in Greenland on virgin soil drinking virgin glacier water and who run Earth’s feudal system.

    Half? You’re a dreamer!

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        1 month ago

        Less powerful mobs and they already feel the poors have bred beyond their usefulness and are now just a drain on the resources that the wealthy are destroying to make sure there’s not enough abundance so remaining people have to rely on them to survive.

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        1 month ago

        It’s “their” planet. They deserve it because of their wealth. It’s how greed works. Most people aren’t overridden with greed and so don’t understand the concept fully. It’s a sickness… an addiction. So all they need are enough slaves to keep them fed and keep all their toys running (a couple million? Five?) and repair their vintage cars. You know, rich people shit. They’ll interbreed and voila! The species will devolve back into tree frogs or whatever we came from -

        and that will be that.

        No way to stop it now, that time has LONG past. So, have fun. But hurry!