• MystValkyrie@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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    4 个月前

    Can’t stay on Android because Google is anti-privacy. Can’t get a GrapheneOS phone because they’re only compatible with non-repairable devices. Can’t get a FairPhone or Jolla because I live in America. Can’t get an HMD because the bootloader is locked.

    Even e/os and LineageOS have security problems.

    There is no good phone on the market, to my knowledge. You can’t have privacy, repairability, and security all at the same time.

    • JamesTBagg@lemmy.world
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      4 个月前

      I’m looking forward to the Motorola and Graphene partnership. I may finally upgrade the S10 in still using.

      • MystValkyrie@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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        4 个月前

        I’m cautiously optimistic for that but need to see the specs and disassembly. Either way, it’s an important step forward for the phone industry.

    • ddplf@szmer.info
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      4 个月前

      The new Pixel 10a is very much repairable. It also doesn’t have this fucking horrible camera bulge that other Pixels have.

    • Auth@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      4 个月前

      Why cant you repair the google phones? Most of the common repairs are not that hard to do. I recently did a battery swap on a “non repairable phone” cost $30 and was pretty easy. Going to replace the usb c port next.

        • Auth@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          4 个月前

          Samsung S10. It wasnt repair friendly but taking it apart was just applying some heat and unscrewing some things and once you got it open it was just like a computer but smaller.

    • DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world
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      4 个月前

      Well yes. But gotta say, my last three phones lasted me 13 years and counting without requiring any repair. Unless you drop your phone regularly or sometging like that, I am not sure how important repairability really is.

      • MystValkyrie@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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        4 个月前

        Personally, every modern phone I’ve owned post-Blackberry has battery problems within the first year. I’d like to be able to swap out the battery when that instead of getting a new phone or dealing with bad battery life.

        • DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world
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          4 个月前

          Understandable, though I don’t share your issue. Or rather, it has usually been a software problem (app wasting battery) rather than HW one.

    • MalReynolds@piefed.socialEnglish
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      4 个月前

      Can’t get a GrapheneOS phone because they’re only compatible with non-repairable devices

      Replaced the battery in my Pixel 7 in like 30 min with an iFixit kit, nowhere near as imposing as I’d thought. They have screens too, the rest is mainboard, but that’s nearly all phones.

      • MystValkyrie@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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        4 个月前

        The Pixel 7 requires a heat gun to get to the battery because it’s glued down, and step 31 in the process goes over what to do if your battery is stuck even after applying heat. It’s impressive that you were able to replace the battery without many problems, but companies shouldn’t be adding unnecessary complications like gluing down the battery in the first place.

        https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Google+Pixel+7+Battery+Replacement/154680

        • MalReynolds@piefed.socialEnglish
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          4 个月前

          Sure, glue sucks, but I didn’t need a heat gun (or hair dryer), just the microwave heated tube thingy and the slicer tab. Admittedly the old battery was a bit spicy pillow which may have helped, dunno. If it’s too imposing, just get a pro to do it.

          Afterwards I got a ‘chargie’ which connects between the wall charger and the phone and lets you choose how much to charge it to, e.g. 80%. More importantly it lets you cut off charging when the device is over a certain temperature, e.g. 33C. Pretty sure the old battery cooked itself during summer, it was happily charging at 50+C, which is definitely not good. 2 years later and it still reports 99% health (although it mostly stays in it’s wireless charging dock, so YMMV). Like that you may not need to replace the battery more than once during the 7 years of security updates the more modern Pixels have.

  • manxu@piefed.socialEnglish
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    4 个月前

    I don’t want to laugh about this. I am seriously freaking out at the idea of using the built-in apps instead of the open source equivalents. Calculator with Internet access? Camera app with ads before I click? Browser that spies on me no matter what searches I perform? No thank you.

    • forkDestroyer@infosec.pubEnglish
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      4 个月前

      The issue is that the masses will use the out of the box functionality and not think much of it. Most normal users don’t mind that they can only pull from official app stores, and like the idea that this system is more secure. If everyone who didn’t like this change stopped using the platform entirely, they would still have enough customers to maintain profitability.

        • forkDestroyer@infosec.pubEnglish
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          4 个月前

          I understand what you’re saying, but is it not comparatively harder to pass malicious programs into a walled garden (Play store restrictions) compared to being able to be downloaded without any checks?

          • anamethatisnt@sopuli.xyz
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            4 个月前

            Yes and no, your average end user trust the Play Store and the promised security which is why an app once it’s inside can get millions of downloads.

            Compare this to trying to get your average user to
            a) trust your selfhosted app and
            b) succeed in installing it.

            Also, I can’t find a single malware that has used f-droid as it’s primary vector.

            • forkDestroyer@infosec.pubEnglish
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              4 个月前

              I understand what you’re saying, but the barrier to entry for non technical people to jump into an alt app store is too high. Most are complacent.

              • Axolotl@feddit.it
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                4 个月前

                too high

                Literally me and my pal the other day

                Pal: “hey sup, what app do ya use for music? Ya never have ads”

                Me: “Metrolist”

                Pal: “can’t find dat on the playstore”

                Me: “you gotta install it from Droid-ify, just search it, click the first result, then download and scroll until you see app-relase apk and click on that”

                Pal: “oh okay, now?”

                Me: “just click the search bar and type Metrolist duh”

                Literally the simplest shit ever, i agree that it isn’t intuitive for everyone and that’s an issue that should be addressed, Google should be forced to allow F-Droid and other appstores on the play store

  • DiceTrauma@piefed.socialEnglish
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    4 个月前

    1. Introduce cutting edge tech to the masses, claiming it will usher in a new era of connection, convenience and utility.

    2. Firmly entrench that tech into every corner of modern society so that most day-to-day activities SUPPOSEDLY cannot be done without it.

    3. Slowly tighten the screws by removing user agency and freedom while raising prices.

    4. Become obscenely wealthy from an entire generation of locked-in consumers who think they have no choice but to submit to your control over their lives.

    5. Wash, rinse and repeat.

    • bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works
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      4 个月前

      And yet none of my friends and family can see this blatantly right in front of them. Have people gotten stupider ? Its as obvious as the sun being hot.

      • DiceTrauma@piefed.socialEnglish
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        4 个月前

        It’s that whole frog analogy, where you can slowly boil a frog alive by gradually increasing the temperature by small increments.

        • foo@feddit.uk
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          4 个月前

          I’m pretty sure that’s a myth, but the analogy is still useful to get the concept across. It simultaneously amuses me and disappoints me that so many humans can be aware of this effect and still not recognise it happening to them, whilst the frogs aren’t actually that stupid and jump out of the water.

      • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
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        4 个月前

        They never had a problem with it.

        See Windows and Mac.

        Or IOS.

        Or the people who cheered when Epic Games lost their lawsuits.

      • Alaik@lemmy.zip
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        4 个月前

        Yes. Yes they have. All it takes is one charismatic idiot to make your otherwise thoughtful and mindful friends to debase themselves. It sucks, but welcome to the world.

        Edit: Debate to debate. Fucking autocorrect.

      • lightnsfw@reddthat.com
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        4 个月前

        I don’t know if they’re stupid or have just given up or what. I always feel like I’m taking crazy pills when I talk to people about technology. Usually they can’t even acknowledge there’s a problem while I’m so pissed off about it that I’m not sure I could restrain myself from doing physical harm if I found myself in the presence of some of the people responsible for this shit. It’s incredibly frustrating.

        • bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works
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          4 个月前

          I am 10000% in the same boat. I can’t even talk to them about tech because like you, I’ll go insane trying to make them understand these issues and they just laugh it off, or I’m a crazy tinfoil hat person. Even though its documented 100% proven what big tech does.

          A lot of them have given up as well. I mean, say you have a kid, then you forgo thinking about anything else in the world except that, who cares if zucc and thiel are destroying the world and surveiling you constantly to bring in a new era of authoritarianism that will result in mass suffering? Your kid needs food. Parents by and large do not care what is actually going on, theyre too busy (from what ive seen.) And I can’t really blame them.

          So I prefer to have intelligent conversation online, and when around IRL folks I just act as dumb as them.

      • Addv4@lemmy.world
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        4 个月前

        Hopefully not coming off as too much of an ass, but normies largely won’t care, as it doesn’t immediately affect them. Knowing it’s a bad thing requires a bit of understanding about an operating system that most people just don’t know or care to learn about.

      • cunnililgus@sopuli.xyz
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        4 个月前

        I think most don’t care about privacy, cause why would tech giant be interested in them. Especially when using more secure/private alternatives usually means you lose out in convenience, price and “quality” (how fleshed out the app is).

        • voodooattack@lemmy.world
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          4 个月前

          We all start out that way. Not everyone is fortunate enough to grow in an environment that grants them access to education and insights into how tech works.

          If you start thinking of others as lesser just because they’re less/uneducated about something then know that someone could be thinking the same of you.

          • cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.comBanned
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            4 个月前

            As someone who has been offering those insights for longer than many people have been alive: they call you a nerd hate you for trying to make their lives harder and tell you to fuck off, because mastodon takes five seconds and one decision more to register for than Twitter.

            Then ten/fifteen/twenty years later when they panic because you were right about everything, they blame you for Facebook being evil because you knew about it. Despite being the one person they know without a Facebook account.

            You’re making up someone to be mad at, who yells at people for using a GUI and shouts “nooooob!” Without irony. That person sounds unpleasant, and I would like an apology for the assumption that I’m them.

    • infinitesunrise@slrpnk.netEnglish
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      4 个月前

      No, stop using vanilla corpo software. They will fuck you again. Just put an aftermarket ROM on your android phone. I run LineageOS on an old OnePlus model. You can build it yourself if you’re techy and paranoid, otherwise the tutorials to flash an official prebuilt image are not that hard for a tech-literate person, almost every supported device has a guide page on their wiki.

      F-Droid for foss app repo
      Aurora Store for anonymous Google Play login and installs

      • 0x0@lemmy.zip
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        4 个月前

        F-Droid for foss app repo
        Aurora Store for anonymous Google Play login and installs

        The whole point of this change is that you won’t be able to use these anymore.

      • Midnight1938@reddthat.com
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        4 个月前

        Tell me a phone with all the e features i want, and support for stuff like lineage and graphene And I’ll happily switch But i havent found any

    • M137@lemmy.today
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      4 个月前

      I thought they allowed app installs outside of the app store now? I haven’t had an iOS device for about 10 years but the few things I hear it feels like iOS is moving more towards openness while Android is quickly moving towards a closed environment and what iOS used to be in that meaning. I also think Google has been real bad with tracking and shit than Apple has ever been. Obviously both Google (or Alphabet or whatever) and Apple are absolutely not good in any way about any of this, just saying to make it clear I’m not siding with either.

      • YarrMatey(she/her) @lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        4 个月前

        Apple “lets” you make a dev account to install an app (side load) from something like iloader and sidestore/altstore, but you are limited to installing a handful of apps and each app only works for 7 days after which you have to redo the whole process. Side loading on apple is a PITA. I recently tried helping do this and hate the entire process, it should be more like android. Not that android is perfect, because I personally believe you should be able to install any app or OS on any device.

    • Dionysus@leminal.space
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      4 个月前

      Honestly, iPhone is already there in shittyland. You need to jailbreak to do it, which you can host install GraphineOS or root your android easier for the same effect.

      We need a 3rd primer mobile OS option, but won’t get one since the money always enshittifies these things.

      • atomicbocks@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        4 个月前

        The most annoying part is the number of good mobile OSs we have already lost over the years to these two; Symbian, BB10, Windows Phone, and WebOS come to mind just off the top of my head. Not to mention the projects that have struggled for traction like Mozilla OS and Ubuntu Touch.

        Edit: I misremembered, it was called Firefox OS, not Mozilla OS.

  • trashcroissant@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    4 个月前

    Will graphene get fucked by this too? My plan was to switch over in September but I’m not sure if the changes mean graphene will be made useless.

    • illi@sh.itjust.works
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      4 个月前

      My understanding is that no… not yet anyway. Phones with GrapheneOS are not “verified” Android so you can proceed to install whatever.

      There will be.indirect damage with some devs likely stopping decelopment as their userbase might get smaller still, if they refuse registering with Google.

      And I guess there is a future when Google will start tightening the noose on Android itself, which will likely make alternate Android OSs harder to develop (though I know nothing about these things, I sense this is an option down the line).