• FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca
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    12 days ago

    They’re terrified at the idea of the “lower class” having anything good. They think it takes something away from them. They’re terrified of people having good things without “earning” it, even though the rich aren’t earning it either

    • 🌞 Alexander Daychilde 🌞@lemmy.world
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      12 days ago

      It’s like Syndrome in The Incredibles with the “When everyone’s super, no one will be.” But for them, when everyone has a living wage, social safety net, human rights - they won’t be superior to anyone anymore.

      And when they’re still a failure and not even superior to anyone who has it worse… who are they anymore?

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    13 days ago

    My favorite activity for a minute now is to ask people the definitions and differences between socialism and communism. It’s entertaining.

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      o0o in a similar vein, i like to ask them if they are pro fascism or anti… reminding them that they really only get to pick one… and watch them squirm as their programming conflicts

      which is hilarious as they generally also couldnt define fascism if their life depended on it

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      12 days ago

      I once explained some socialism ideas on Reddit. One user called me a communist, another a Nazi. It was a very confusing pair of responses but said more than either would ever know.

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        Because outside of a class room the terms are meaningless.

        The PRC is still officially Communist, and has billionaires.

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          Tbf, Maoism was certainly more aligned with communist principles, though with their entering into the global capitalist marketplace they’ve certainly morphed quite a bit. They still maintain a unilateral top down structure and control, while allowing their citizens to benefit from certain elements of capitalism.

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      12 days ago

      But you’re wasting their time, and yours.

      Instead say, “I like this candidate. She wants to tax the rich.”

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      12 days ago

      *Profiting from the privatization of these vital services, thereby guaranteeing that those services are degraded to the lowest quality possible while reaching the smallest number of people possible while most of the funds reach the pockets of the people at the top.

      As long as a profit motive exists, that motive is that the person at the top gets as much of the money possible, while the people who the services are meant to serve always get the absolute least as is possible, and what is possible continues to diminish until it reaches zero.

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      12 days ago

      I am starting to feel that Fox news is for the filthy rich to watch and for people who are deluding themselves into believing that, one day, they will also become filthy rich.

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    12 days ago

    Clown world is the only place this could not be a joke. Like what else could they have on there? Free oral sex on request? Support for kittens?

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    12 days ago

    The older generation is so selfish they don’t want the younger generations to get something “easier” than they think they had it. “I walked uphill both ways in the snow” kind of thinking. Most privileged generation.

    • 🌞 Alexander Daychilde 🌞@lemmy.world
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      Good luck being distracted by age. That’s almost as bad as red/blue state bullshit. Sure, the people in power in those states is making a difference, but my point is there’s a huge mix of people in every state. And in the same way, there’s plenty of old progressives and young fascists.

      Constantly putting this crap on older generations implies you’re one of the ones hoping the problem will die off.

      It won’t.

      And distracting you from realizing that is the big reason for the push for “boomers” to equal “evil”. There’s a lot of idiot evil boomers, but there’s plenty of young idiot evil fascists.

      The problem ain’t gonna die itself away. We must fight.

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        The problem ain’t gonna die itself away. We must fight.

        And teach. We’re fighting ignorance and intolerance. We all gotta learn

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        I’ve been hearing that the Republican Party will wither from attrition as they all die off for 50 fucking years. We should be free of them by now, but instead they’ve taken over everything.

        I always tell people to remember back to that first big protest in Chancellorville, when all those neo-Nazi fuckwits marched in with their tiki torches, chanting “Jews will not replace us”. ALL those weenies were under 40 years old. Rush Limbaugh and all the other psychopathic propagandists have been great at recruiting and indoctrinating new psychopaths into their ranks, and replacing all the old psychopaths that finally got dragged to Hell.

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          You don’t understand Christianity. Christianity is the religion of the police state. Revelation 22:15 encapsulates the notion of how the sinners are surrounded, with everyone who loves AND practices lying (not TO) being the undercover cops. Jesus’ crucifixion let us see who the idoltarers were, and cost one Roman soldier with a spear a promotion. I guarantee those tiki torch fuckers were 80% cops. The Proud Boys are feds. I know this because the joke is I had to be a crackhead because I wasn’t good enough to be a pothead, which is a festival cop.

      • webadict@lemmy.world
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        This is sorta the same defense as “#NotAll(X)”. Because, like, yeah, obviously there are plenty of older progressives. But… The issue at hand here is one of power. Older generations have more wealth on average and hold more conservative views on average. It’s sorta on them to use their positions to make lives easier on those younger and less fortunate than themselves, and unfortunately for the rest of us, they are less likely to do so. And I say this with a boomer grandma doing her fucking best protesting outside ICE facilities.

        To pretend there isn’t an age bias is silly. To pretend there is only an age bias is also silly. But it does exist, interrelated to wealth and power disparities that everyone is suffering from. So, you know, fuck boomers. If you don’t like hearing that, then really reflect on what that says about you.

        In closing, yeah, the problem won’t simply die away, but I ain’t gonna pretend it doesn’t help, even if it isn’t every boomer’s fault.

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            True, but I think if we’re going off pure numbers, fuck men. Like, they are doing the least outta all these groups.

        • 🌞 Alexander Daychilde 🌞@lemmy.world
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          The point that you are glossing over and dismissing as a minor one is Central to my theme: the problem is not going to die itself away.

          Most of the people riding off boomers assume that all the youngsters are progressives. They are not.

          Nowhere did I say boomers are equally as progressive as any other group. There’s a reason I didn’t say that. There’s a reason I said the other things that I said.

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            I don’t think everyone is saying the youth are all progressives, either. I think the only people saying that are conservatives.

            The problem will get better with people dying of old age, though. You can’t really deny that.

            • 🌞 Alexander Daychilde 🌞@lemmy.world
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              12 days ago

              Around 44% of Boomers consider themselves conservative.

              Around 33% of young adults do.

              Go ahead and wait around while the fascists only increase the propaganda if you think that’ll help, but in my humble opinion, that only falls into their trap. They get us to wait while they keep fighting tooth and nail.

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        Thinking in labels is inherently dualistic thinking. The brain processes entanglements, and it is möbiated entanglements, that which the Buddhists called “defiled” that manifest the illusion of the self. This is giving a string a half-twist to create dualistic dichotomy (inner/outer). A form of möbiation that would take a minute to explain, but can be summed up in the phrase orthogonal relativity, and this picture, is what allows the brain to process an eleven dimensional topological matrix. Yer a knot, Neo. Enlightenment is being the effect before the cause - developing your prefrontal cortex to predict and outclass the animal parts of the brain, and resolving all karmic debt to demöbiate all your mind back into a unified field of entanglements.

    • architect@thelemmy.club
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      Last night at dinner boomer maga: “why aren’t the kids drinking anymore?” Me: well we got like 10 jobs and have no time so i imagine they have like 20 jobs even less… “we used to go to work hungover”… oooooookay

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        How about getting a single DUI will absolutely ruin your life? I’m so paranoid about drinking that I NEVER drink when I’m out for dinner. If a cop pulls me over, I want to be able to say “I haven’t had a single drop to drink.”

        Besides, what’s wrong with people drinking less? Not smoking and drinking are two of the best things you can do for your life. This guy wants young people to fuck up their lives, so that he feels better about fucking up his?

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          It’s funny that you think not having a drop to drink will prevent the cops from arresting you for DUI with a 0.0 breathalizer anyway and the DA from prosecuting you despite an additional 0.0 blood test.

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      Their finding out the hard way that nothing lasts on this Earth and that death always comes to reap its due.

    • 🌞 Alexander Daychilde 🌞@lemmy.world
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      Palestine is a dogwhistle call against “antisemitism”, which is defined by them as anyone who doesn’t stringently support Israel. It’s the AIPAC part of their stance. AIPAC has paid them good money for that representation.

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        Not to mention, USA and UK founded Israel for a reason, and give Israel money and weapons every year for a reason, too.

        It’s not AIPAC alone, it’s also our long-term strategic goals in the Middle East. That’s why Israel is there, and AIPAC is only one tool in the box, the obvious one. Meanwhile, US military is testing and refining its new weaponry against Lebanon and Palestine, and all of those missiles cost a fortune. But, it’s vital to them to expand their growth every year. Only way to do that is war.

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    It’s the taxes. There’s a reason people bike in Europe and not because it’s cute it’s because the high taxes on gas are used to support public transportation. Imagine being closer to the source and paying more because it’s taxed to shit. The high taxes on what we enjoy with just a price point to fund projects that never become complete or serve the direct purpose, is what bothers them.

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        #1 question who’s gonna pay for it? Free isn’t free with those goods and services.

        Given there’s a trillionaire class you could totally start a trust and in 5 years have enough money to fund all of those for 10 years worth of those good and services the questions are: how much do you want in the trust, how much do you think we should tax people to reach that goal and how are we going to make this work effectively because eit would have to be in the bench mark of the 200k$ and up class to make it effective.

        Medical, Housing and Work Leave are the biggest that would cost the most you could make college free and make it go off of income as well but that’s still making pay just not up front.

        Put it this way housing market in New Hampshire fuckin’ sucks and the taxes are a fuck load but there’s no sales tax because they evened it out.

        So unless you can even these goods and services out effectivly in the way of where the hell are you getting the money to pay for these goods and services, you’re not getting far.

        Doctors need to get paid, college professors need to get paid, housing authorities and landlords still need to get paid (and utilities and all that shit), like solar/wind/nuclear still needs funding.

        It’s not that they don’t want it!!! They don’t know how to make it cost effective without it needing to accumulate in a treasury in the same amount of time it would take for 4 presidencies to go by before it could even be used and in that time the new presidents could scrap the trust.

        It’s not gonna happen. I’m for it. It’ll never happen but I’m for it

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          It’s been said countless times. Americans are right now paying way more for these services than they would if it was paid through taxes. The secret to this little scheme, that only every single other devolped country has figured out, and has been fucking screaming at you for a century, is that you cut out the middle men. The shareholders at the hospital, the shareholders at the insurance company, the shareholders at the colleges, the loan sharks making billions off of people needing to survive.

          It’s not very hard. Get rid of the people who only make profit off of people’s suffering instead of helping the situation, and you get a remarkebly better result. Those middlemen are nothing but leeches. They don’t actually do anything, they just siphon money out of the pockets of poor people.

          America, the only place where this shit is happening, and for some reason, they’re hellbent on never looking at how other countries do it, and live in complete denial, thinking they’re the createst country in the world.

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          They could, I don’t know take the money out of the military budget. There is absolutely fucking no reason that the military is paying $10,000 for a hammer. And look I work for the government The spending is absolutely ridiculous. Why don’t we audit what the military is spending their money on?

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          We could have “free” healthcare by paying less than we pay today.

          We are simply getting ripped off at every turn. For some reason there are a lot of people who think it should cost out the ass for basic care you can get for much cheaper. And it isn’t because it is “higher quality” like some claim. A white woman is 2x as likely to die during pregnancy in the U.S. than if they were in Canada. A black woman 6x. So it all ends up being about money/class.

          Think about this. The U.S. provides free X-rays for 2.5 million people and their luggage every day, by a federal department that didn’t even exist pre-2001.

          Our taxes even went down

          2001 Brackets: 15%, 27.5%, 30.5%, 35.5%, and 39.1%. The top 39.1% rate kicked in at $297,350.

          2026 Brackets: 10%, 12%, 22%, 24%, 32%, 35%, and 37%. The top 37% rate begins at $640,600

          So who’s paying for the department of homeland security? It’s not a mystery, we are.

          Our health care system is set up to milk every penny they can from the people. We could cut the costs so much that it actually is funny. If it was made illegal to provide health insurance in the U.S. and it was illegal to overcharge on medications and procedures, our healthcare system would get better for the majority of the population.