This isn’t the flex you think it is. You think you’re saying how much smarter you are to not be tricked but what you are really saying is your leaders can’t win without help from the people you despise.
I’m not flexing. I’m saying most Americans are incredibly stupid. I’m saying a full third of us are outright bigot fascists that actively want to say slurs in public and hate crime minorities. I’m saying another full third of us (you’re in this group) are too stupid or self absorbed to acknowledge that third party and non voters directly contribute to republicans getting elected. Of the remaining third, most don’t vote in Dem primaries so we have no progressive condition. I’m saying that the American Federal government is largely representative of the average American that is too stupid or mean to just vote in their own best interest (which yes for my entire life has meant explicitly voting democrat in every election). You are the American that has earned and deserves Trump. Reevaluate your priorities.
I voted for Harris, try again. I am at least willing to recognize where her campaign could have done better, because like you, I recognize we need those voters who went 3rd party (or stayed at home) in order to win. Unlike you, I hold leadership accountable for failing to inspire an electorate large enough to win.
Register if needed to vote in the primaries and get everyone you know to do that too and always vote for progressives in the primaries. That’s how you hold leadership accountable, by gaining the actual power to replace it. The democratic party is not a coalition of leftists and progressives. It’s a big tent party filled with everyone from nazi adjacent to the closest thing to a socialist American politics can muster. If all us leftists and progressives actually fuckin voted and otherwise engaged in the electoral process we’d have an actual opposition party. Till then the political reality is that every vote that isn’t for a democrat is explicitly for maga, and repeating fox news criticisms of democrats helps elect republicans.
I vote in the primaries but last I checked there was no primary for POTUS in the last election cycle. And no, repeating valid criticisms of democrats does not automatically mean you are helping Republicans win. To think that requires a staggering amount of cynicism towards voters that one wonders why you are even trying to reason with said voters
Why do you think people should have been satisfied with the “primaries” the DNC held when the majority of voters rejected the candidate? What do you think of Biden’s promise to only run for a single term?
Oh so there were primaries and you fuckin lied above. Tracks. Arms getting tired lugging those goal posts around? The democratic party comprised of registered democrats picked the Harris ticket, and yes, since the whole fuckin succession works the way it does it was with the understanding that Harris would likely have to step in because Biden was fuckin old. Why are you so fuckin obsessed with Biden and Harris? Why are you blaming democrats for the republican destruction of this country? Are you an accelerationist? Because if you’re not, and you’re also not fucking dumb as fuck, then you well know that getting democrats in office and primarying democrats with progressives is literally the only way we come back from this. It’s already almost too late and then it’s a republicunt dictatorship until total collapse. So unless you want a fuck ton of people to die including yourself get people to vote for progressive democrats in literally every election.
Why do you think people should have been satisfied with the “primaries” the DNC held
Because the other candidate is an unqualified fucking pedophile conman on a dementia riddled revenge tour you fucking fuck and you shouldn’t be too fucking stupid to vote for your own best interests. Jesus fuck.
Whats a "D next to a candidates name even mean anymore? Besides limping a system along which doesnt care about any of my issues and sends my taxes to a nazi theocratic foreign country to shoot little starving kids in the head for sport. We need to keep all this going you are saying, cant allow it to change or fall apart?
…too stupid or self absorbed to acknowledge that third party and non voters directly contribute to republicans getting elected.
yeah, don’t all those gun-toting, small-government Libertarian voters know that they owe it to the Democrat party to vote for their candidate so their evil Republican enemy can’t win?
Anyone supporting Harris actively this many months later is objectively a pedophile. That is the only possible excuse there could be to support a genocidal politician who actively defended child rapists and killers with her policies.
“oh but there was no other choice” that does not change today. That does not change right now. Voting under duress for the slightly better option does not give you the right nor encouragement to keep supporting a literal monster years later like you have some type of better morality. You don’t. Anyone that supported the Harris/Biden regime is objectively a nazi. Yes, so are Magats, you’re not special for pointing that out.
Vote quietly when you’re backed into a corner and then never fucking admit it. Dont support the pedophile for fucking years because you think you would be slightly better off (while everyone else would be just as fucked).
Some of the non voting idiots keep trying to claim the moral high ground, by claiming that by not voting they opposed the genocide perpetrated by the Israeli government.
Of course that ignores the fact that they default voted for Trump by not voting.
You are a petulant child that is complaining that they didn’t have the choice they wanted, years after the fact.
I don’t campaign for anyone. My beliefs prohibit me from joining a political party. I vote for the lesser evil, as I understand that is the best option I’m going to have.
YES BECAUSE THERE IS ANOTHER ELECTION IN 5 FUCKING MONTHS AND ANOTHER ONE IN TWO YEARS BOTH OF WHICH YOU PEOPLE ARE ALREADY GIVING UP ON BY SUGGESTING WE DO THE EXACT SAME THING AND ELECT MORE PEDOPHILES.
Because you fucking people ‘vote for the lesser evil.’ It doesn’t work. It’s never worked. Things didn’t get better under Obama or Biden. Things got quieter for the middle class Americans that ‘just want to be at brunch.’
Just fucking stop voting for the lesser evil. Vote for the policies you actually fucking want regardless of what colour tie the person has. Congrats you’re actually doing a democracy at that point. What you people are advocating for is objectively not democracy, it’s a dictatorship.
I voted in the primaries, I will vote in the general.
You purity testing pedophile supporters keep sitting out elections which is why we can’t fix shit. You have to shove for years, and you guys only care about the general election. I cannot vote for the things I believe in if you keep allowing the establishment to win with milquetoast candidates in the primary.
BTW you just missed voting in the primary to spend time yelling at me, someone that actually DOES ANYTHING AT ALL, rather than voting in a progressive candidate.
Sure they did. Our economy recovered during Obama’s entire presidency. The numbers literally prove that. The numbers also show we were recovering from COVID better than other 1st world countries during Biden’s term. Obama got affordable healthcare for millions of people who had none, myself included. He brokered the Iran Nuclear Deal. Biden got the largest infrastructure bill in our lifetimes passed. He invested money in clean energy. He got student loans forgiven for millions before the Republicans put a stop to it. At the end of his presidency he was trying to get medical debt removed from credit reports.
To say nothing got better under these presidents indicates you are clueless about politics in your own country.
Vote for the policies you actually fucking want regardless of what colour tie the person has.
This is not a winning strategy. If you voted for Jill Stein in the last election, congrats, you got NOTHING. There is no viable 3rd party in the U.S. and there won’t be for a long time, if ever. If you vote solely based on your ideals, you will lose. In this country, it is essentially a guarantee that you will have to make concessions at the ballot box to get SOME of what you want. So the intelligent thing to do is vote for the person most likely to win that can achieve SOME of your demands. I’m speaking about presidential elections in regards to this. I support people who vote 3rd party in local/state elections to help build up alternative options. But if you’re voting 3rd party in a federal election, all you’re doing is proving that you have no idea how American politics works and helping the shittier option win.
I mean Harris’ policy did explicitly address most of the concerns everyday Americans have but the overwhelming majority of them, including apparently you, don’t have any idea what her actual policies were, they just repeat what fox news told them to think.
I followed her campaign closely. The only policy she had was a first time homeowner credit that was written so almost no one would qualify for it, and it would have only served to bid home prices up even further.
And clearly Harris’s policies did not meet the concerns of everyday Americans, as she lost to one of the least qualified candidates in American history.
I know this is very painful to accept. But Trump actually spoke more to the issues of the American people than Harris did. Compare the messages:
Trump: I will improve your standard of living by deporting millions of brown people. This will ease the housing supply and tighten the labor market, thereby helping the average white person.
Harris: you’re imagining the inflation you’re experiencing. I don’t give a fuck about your opinions on Gaza; your voice doesn’t matter. Vote for me unless you want the Nazi to win.
And then people wonder why she lost. Trump actually talked to the needs of the average voter. He had a concrete plan on how to help his base. That plan was evil and abominable, but he actually made a compelling case. Kamala didn’t even try.
It turns out “I don’t give a shit about you, vote for me or the Nazi will win” is a strategy you can only pull so many times. It’s been the Democratic campaign message for every election for my whole adult life. And at this point it’s lost all effectiveness.
The real problem was that you can’t run on the other guy being a Nazi after your side just refused to bring them to justice. Biden ran on “the other guy is a Nazi.” But once in power, he didn’t treat them like you’re supposed to treat Nazis. His campaign message was that Trump was a unique threat, but he treated them like ordinary political opposition once he was in office.
Actions speak louder than words. Harris tried to run a campaign that was directly countered by Biden’s actions for the last four years. What was the average voter supposed to conclude but that Democrats were lying about Trump being a Nazi?
I think you just like blaming voters. You’re demonstrating the same political proclivities as a Republican who blames the homeless for being homeless. After all, poor people should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps, right? If they’re poor, it’s their own fault. Why consider any other factors when we could just call lazy people lazy?
Yes. Let’s keep absolving voters for the most obvious voting blunder in American history.
Let’s keep absolving voters for going with the twice impeached convicted felon and adjudicated rapist with one failed presidency under his belt instead of the highly educated non-criminal but admittedly milquetoast alternative.
When you do work to get republicans elected, like you’re doing right now, then yes it’s your fault explicitly. Being too stupid to understand that cause and effect does not absolve you of your responsibility.
You and everyone that thinks like you is responsible for Trump winning. Congratulations MAGAt.
This isn’t the flex you think it is. You think you’re saying how much smarter you are to not be tricked but what you are really saying is your leaders can’t win without help from the people you despise.
I’m not flexing. I’m saying most Americans are incredibly stupid. I’m saying a full third of us are outright bigot fascists that actively want to say slurs in public and hate crime minorities. I’m saying another full third of us (you’re in this group) are too stupid or self absorbed to acknowledge that third party and non voters directly contribute to republicans getting elected. Of the remaining third, most don’t vote in Dem primaries so we have no progressive condition. I’m saying that the American Federal government is largely representative of the average American that is too stupid or mean to just vote in their own best interest (which yes for my entire life has meant explicitly voting democrat in every election). You are the American that has earned and deserves Trump. Reevaluate your priorities.
I voted for Harris, try again. I am at least willing to recognize where her campaign could have done better, because like you, I recognize we need those voters who went 3rd party (or stayed at home) in order to win. Unlike you, I hold leadership accountable for failing to inspire an electorate large enough to win.
Register if needed to vote in the primaries and get everyone you know to do that too and always vote for progressives in the primaries. That’s how you hold leadership accountable, by gaining the actual power to replace it. The democratic party is not a coalition of leftists and progressives. It’s a big tent party filled with everyone from nazi adjacent to the closest thing to a socialist American politics can muster. If all us leftists and progressives actually fuckin voted and otherwise engaged in the electoral process we’d have an actual opposition party. Till then the political reality is that every vote that isn’t for a democrat is explicitly for maga, and repeating fox news criticisms of democrats helps elect republicans.
I vote in the primaries but last I checked there was no primary for POTUS in the last election cycle. And no, repeating valid criticisms of democrats does not automatically mean you are helping Republicans win. To think that requires a staggering amount of cynicism towards voters that one wonders why you are even trying to reason with said voters
There was, I voted in it, Harris name was on it and everything. There you go with the fox news points again.
Why do you think people should have been satisfied with the “primaries” the DNC held when the majority of voters rejected the candidate? What do you think of Biden’s promise to only run for a single term?
Oh so there were primaries and you fuckin lied above. Tracks. Arms getting tired lugging those goal posts around? The democratic party comprised of registered democrats picked the Harris ticket, and yes, since the whole fuckin succession works the way it does it was with the understanding that Harris would likely have to step in because Biden was fuckin old. Why are you so fuckin obsessed with Biden and Harris? Why are you blaming democrats for the republican destruction of this country? Are you an accelerationist? Because if you’re not, and you’re also not fucking dumb as fuck, then you well know that getting democrats in office and primarying democrats with progressives is literally the only way we come back from this. It’s already almost too late and then it’s a republicunt dictatorship until total collapse. So unless you want a fuck ton of people to die including yourself get people to vote for progressive democrats in literally every election.
Because the other candidate is an unqualified fucking pedophile conman on a dementia riddled revenge tour you fucking fuck and you shouldn’t be too fucking stupid to vote for your own best interests. Jesus fuck.
Whats a "D next to a candidates name even mean anymore? Besides limping a system along which doesnt care about any of my issues and sends my taxes to a nazi theocratic foreign country to shoot little starving kids in the head for sport. We need to keep all this going you are saying, cant allow it to change or fall apart?
Yeah I’ll get right on that.
You’re either an idiot or an accelerationist and either way don’t deserve to be taken seriously.
Being AIPACS buttboy makes you the smart one eh. OK buddy, sure thing.
Is aipac in the room with us? Fuck Israel and your paranoia schizophrenic ass. Go scream aipac at the ml instance, they might suck your cock.
Edit: ok your comments indicate you literally are stupid enough to be an accelerationist so you’re not worth engagement.
Oh man you caught me. AIPAC doesnt exist huh. You sure you want to claim that? Heres the part where you backpedal and claim thats not what you meant.
Bullshit removal of all my comments, classic shit ass lemmy modding making reddit look fuckin reasonable.
yeah, don’t all those gun-toting, small-government Libertarian voters know that they owe it to the Democrat party to vote for their candidate so their evil Republican enemy can’t win?
Congrats on being on the extreme minority that thinks killing and raping children is morally justified.
And what in the actual fuck do you think you’re talking about?
Anyone supporting Harris actively this many months later is objectively a pedophile. That is the only possible excuse there could be to support a genocidal politician who actively defended child rapists and killers with her policies.
“oh but there was no other choice” that does not change today. That does not change right now. Voting under duress for the slightly better option does not give you the right nor encouragement to keep supporting a literal monster years later like you have some type of better morality. You don’t. Anyone that supported the Harris/Biden regime is objectively a nazi. Yes, so are Magats, you’re not special for pointing that out.
Vote quietly when you’re backed into a corner and then never fucking admit it. Dont support the pedophile for fucking years because you think you would be slightly better off (while everyone else would be just as fucked).
What a stupid shitty fuckin troll account.
I’m sorry you’re too stupid to understand people can criticize your chosen pedophile representative.
Some of the non voting idiots keep trying to claim the moral high ground, by claiming that by not voting they opposed the genocide perpetrated by the Israeli government.
Of course that ignores the fact that they default voted for Trump by not voting.
Congratulations on voting for Trump, by putting yourself on a moralistic high horse.
I voted for Harris, I’m not campaigning for her literally years after the election though like you are, only a literal pedophile would do that.
You are a petulant child that is complaining that they didn’t have the choice they wanted, years after the fact.
I don’t campaign for anyone. My beliefs prohibit me from joining a political party. I vote for the lesser evil, as I understand that is the best option I’m going to have.
YES BECAUSE THERE IS ANOTHER ELECTION IN 5 FUCKING MONTHS AND ANOTHER ONE IN TWO YEARS BOTH OF WHICH YOU PEOPLE ARE ALREADY GIVING UP ON BY SUGGESTING WE DO THE EXACT SAME THING AND ELECT MORE PEDOPHILES.
Because you fucking people ‘vote for the lesser evil.’ It doesn’t work. It’s never worked. Things didn’t get better under Obama or Biden. Things got quieter for the middle class Americans that ‘just want to be at brunch.’
Just fucking stop voting for the lesser evil. Vote for the policies you actually fucking want regardless of what colour tie the person has. Congrats you’re actually doing a democracy at that point. What you people are advocating for is objectively not democracy, it’s a dictatorship.
I voted in the primaries, I will vote in the general.
You purity testing pedophile supporters keep sitting out elections which is why we can’t fix shit. You have to shove for years, and you guys only care about the general election. I cannot vote for the things I believe in if you keep allowing the establishment to win with milquetoast candidates in the primary.
BTW you just missed voting in the primary to spend time yelling at me, someone that actually DOES ANYTHING AT ALL, rather than voting in a progressive candidate.
Reread and try again you actually illiterate pedophile.
The only illiterate one here is you. Keep refusing to vote in the primaries. That’s gonna fix shit.
Also, love the projection.
Sure they did. Our economy recovered during Obama’s entire presidency. The numbers literally prove that. The numbers also show we were recovering from COVID better than other 1st world countries during Biden’s term. Obama got affordable healthcare for millions of people who had none, myself included. He brokered the Iran Nuclear Deal. Biden got the largest infrastructure bill in our lifetimes passed. He invested money in clean energy. He got student loans forgiven for millions before the Republicans put a stop to it. At the end of his presidency he was trying to get medical debt removed from credit reports.
To say nothing got better under these presidents indicates you are clueless about politics in your own country.
This is not a winning strategy. If you voted for Jill Stein in the last election, congrats, you got NOTHING. There is no viable 3rd party in the U.S. and there won’t be for a long time, if ever. If you vote solely based on your ideals, you will lose. In this country, it is essentially a guarantee that you will have to make concessions at the ballot box to get SOME of what you want. So the intelligent thing to do is vote for the person most likely to win that can achieve SOME of your demands. I’m speaking about presidential elections in regards to this. I support people who vote 3rd party in local/state elections to help build up alternative options. But if you’re voting 3rd party in a federal election, all you’re doing is proving that you have no idea how American politics works and helping the shittier option win.
if you voted for Kamala, you got nothing.
Is my policy shit? No, it’s the voters who are wrong.
I mean Harris’ policy did explicitly address most of the concerns everyday Americans have but the overwhelming majority of them, including apparently you, don’t have any idea what her actual policies were, they just repeat what fox news told them to think.
I haven’t watched Fox News since the early 90’s. Wanna cool up a new fantasy about who I am again? It’s very entertaining for me.
Then what’s your excuse?
My excuse for what?
for being a copy paste bot for stupid republican bullshit
Wait, what? What republican talking point?
I assume people that repeat stupid republican bullshit are stupid republicans. This seems like a you problem.
Saying “I disagree with weak neoliberal policy instead of progressive reforms” is republican now. Interesting. Thanks for the entertainment!
I followed her campaign closely. The only policy she had was a first time homeowner credit that was written so almost no one would qualify for it, and it would have only served to bid home prices up even further.
And clearly Harris’s policies did not meet the concerns of everyday Americans, as she lost to one of the least qualified candidates in American history.
I know this is very painful to accept. But Trump actually spoke more to the issues of the American people than Harris did. Compare the messages:
Trump: I will improve your standard of living by deporting millions of brown people. This will ease the housing supply and tighten the labor market, thereby helping the average white person.
Harris: you’re imagining the inflation you’re experiencing. I don’t give a fuck about your opinions on Gaza; your voice doesn’t matter. Vote for me unless you want the Nazi to win.
And then people wonder why she lost. Trump actually talked to the needs of the average voter. He had a concrete plan on how to help his base. That plan was evil and abominable, but he actually made a compelling case. Kamala didn’t even try.
It turns out “I don’t give a shit about you, vote for me or the Nazi will win” is a strategy you can only pull so many times. It’s been the Democratic campaign message for every election for my whole adult life. And at this point it’s lost all effectiveness.
The real problem was that you can’t run on the other guy being a Nazi after your side just refused to bring them to justice. Biden ran on “the other guy is a Nazi.” But once in power, he didn’t treat them like you’re supposed to treat Nazis. His campaign message was that Trump was a unique threat, but he treated them like ordinary political opposition once he was in office.
Actions speak louder than words. Harris tried to run a campaign that was directly countered by Biden’s actions for the last four years. What was the average voter supposed to conclude but that Democrats were lying about Trump being a Nazi?
This is a condemnation of the average American. We failed an open book test and here you are saying it’s not our fault. Yeah buddy it is.
I think you just like blaming voters. You’re demonstrating the same political proclivities as a Republican who blames the homeless for being homeless. After all, poor people should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps, right? If they’re poor, it’s their own fault. Why consider any other factors when we could just call lazy people lazy?
Are you fuckin high? Of course it’s the voters and non voters fault.
Liberal (n): a human being that believes voters should have none of the power of and all of the responsibility for elections.
Are you saying we don’t have elections like what the fuck are you on kid?
Spoken like someone who doesn’t have to shop for their own groceries.
Yes. Let’s keep absolving voters for the most obvious voting blunder in American history.
Let’s keep absolving voters for going with the twice impeached convicted felon and adjudicated rapist with one failed presidency under his belt instead of the highly educated non-criminal but admittedly milquetoast alternative.
Voters don’t have any responsibility, right?
Can you show me with quotes when I said the voters don’t have any responsibility?
I just said that the DNC has a shit conservative platform. That’s blaming the DNC, not voters.
At some point, if you choose the fascist pedo felon over literally anything, including Bush term 4, its on you
Where did I say I chose that?
Do you also blame workers for the actions of their CEOS?
Workers don’t elect their CEOs, so this comparison doesn’t work.
No one voted to nominate Harris either. So what’s your point?
Totally man.
It’s my fault people can’t afford to live in this country.
You and people like you, yes.
When you do work to get republicans elected, like you’re doing right now, then yes it’s your fault explicitly. Being too stupid to understand that cause and effect does not absolve you of your responsibility.