• Mulligrubs@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 个月前

    Anyone who claims these are anti-semitic is obviously caricaturophobic, and possibly a cartoonophobe in addition.

    I’ve seen cartoons of King Charles that put these to shame. The more grotesque, the better, in my book… one of my favorite such artists is Ralph Steadman.

    Anyway, this is another example of constant bullshit artists have to put up with, they are often treated with contempt. I’m glad at least a few papers are still employing cartoonists, soon it will all be gone and we’ll be left with USA-Weekly-style generic trash.

  • SunshineJogger@feddit.org
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    3 个月前

    I lack reference. I see caricatures. How do they differ to be specifically antisemitic? Is there a specific detail that makes them that?

  • Starduster75@lemmy.world
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    3 个月前

    Here we see those whose ancestors were not cooked in an oven in living memory explaining how this isn’t antisemitic, and how maybe people are too sensitive. Thanks for the perspective.

    • Echo Dot@feddit.uk
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      3 个月前

      It’s not that he’s green, it’s that he is progressive and that he’s winning support. That worries them.

      In the past no one used to pay attention to anything the greens did or said. The fact that they now feel the need to attack him is an indication of how much power the greens have got lately.

      • grrgyle@slrpnk.net
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        3 个月前

        They’re not playing with nothing, but they really leaned into drawing his features in an especially antisemitic way

      • Echo Dot@feddit.uk
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        3 个月前

        In fairness though Laurence Fishburne is American and I can’t think of any other famous examples

        • Tiresia@slrpnk.net
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          3 个月前

          I didn’t really associate the stereotype of bad teeth with lower class British people. AFAIK the stereotype comes from even rich British aristocrats supposedly having bad dental care.

          That said, you are right that applying that stereotype to specific people without first checking if they’re upper class is more likely to hit lower class people, especially with how culture has shifted since the stereotype was first formed.

        • grrgyle@slrpnk.net
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          3 个月前

          Who said they were bad? That’s on you. I love a snagle tooth 😍 so many people straighten their teeth unnecessarily. It removes all their character

          • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
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            3 个月前

            You know MAGA face? That’s kind of how British people see American teeth: incredibly fake. It’s a lot of pain, discomfort, and money to conform to a an unnatural standard solely for apperance.

            British teeth aren’t rotting and decaying, they just haven’t spent years forcibly rearranging the bones in their face.

            This does result in classisim in America, because poor families can’t afford to rearrange their face bones, and not having cosmetically “perfect” teeth is looked down on.

  • unknownuserunknownlocation@kbin.earth
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    3 个月前

    Honestly, I’m failing to see the antisemitism. They’re exaggerating his facial features, which is standard practice in editorial cartoons. Unless I’m missing something?

    • Babalugats@feddit.uk
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      3 个月前

      They’re out in force on this one. Scream antisemitism enough, and no form of satire, humor, criticism or anything else will be allowed if the person is Jewish. At least that is their hope. It’s half working, but I think it has peaked. At least that is my hope. Hopefully it starts its reverse trajectory now.

    • mathemachristian [he/him]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      3 个月前

      He’s jewish and the feature they’re exaggerating is the nose. There are the people that have been crying foul over an italian newspaper printing an image of an iof soldier unedited, saying it’s antisemitic because the dude is relly ugly

      • unknownuserunknownlocation@kbin.earth
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        3 个月前

        I don’t know the story about the Italian newspaper and the IDF soldier, so I can’t judge that.

        But I do have to be fair and say the nose is one of the many features they exaggerate (and the nose is very often a feature exaggerated in editorial cartoons, whether the person is Jewish or not). They also exaggerate the ears, his smile, and the gap in his teeth.

          • turdas@suppo.fi
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            3 个月前

            Exaggerated noses are a trope in caricatures regardless of ethnicity. But more importantly, the guy actually does have a bigger than average nose and big ears. What are the caricaturists supposed to do, not exaggerate his features? That’s the point of caricatures.

            • Tiresia@slrpnk.net
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              3 个月前

              Look at how wide Polanski’s nose is between his eyes, where it transitions into the brow. Now look how narrow his nose is between the eyes in the cartoons, and how there is a dent at his brow that just isn’t there IRL.

              The cartoons aren’t exaggerating Polanski’s features, they are drawing an antisemitic “Jew nose”.

            • spud@feddit.uk
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              3 个月前

              The ears and teeth are probably fair game but his nose is normal and unremarkable. The nose in the first three is 100% hook nosed merchant jewish stereotype. The slimer one doesn’t seem nearly as bad as the others.

              • turdas@suppo.fi
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                3 个月前

                His nose is quite distinctive. In front-facing photos (e.g. [1] [2]) the tip is the lowest part of his nose with the nostrils being above the tip. It’s reasonable to draw this as a hook nose in a caricature.

                Where the caricatures, particularly the one in the top right, go wrong is in drawing his nose with a prominent bridge (like this real nose), which he doesn’t really seem to have.

        • Aria@lemmygrad.ml
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          3 个月前

          None of these are good counter-examples. They gave him a “Jew-nose” when he doesn’t have one. These other ones are either inspired by the person’s real nose or other types of unflattering noses with different implications. Perhaps the best defense using this evidence is that they didn’t give Zelenskyy a Jew-nose despite him being Jewish, if it’s one of the publications from the collage above.

    • Kwiila@slrpnk.net
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      3 个月前

      They aren’t exaggerating. They’re modifying to fit the “cunning greedy” antisemitic trope face. Big nose is fine, they made his hooked. Tooth gap is fine, they made him look like he’s been holding out on the dentist to chew gold. Long, flat side-pointy grin is fine. They made him look like a nervous Grinch contemplating the suffering of others with glee.

      The difference is so stark one wonders if you were saying this in good faith, in contrast to the presented dirtbag devil’s advocate (there’s no reason regardless to give them a benefit of the doubt nor defend them given what their position and the points they’re making, even if the art style were borderline).

    • FishFace@piefed.socialEnglish
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      3 个月前

      Top right is the clearest example, it gives him a massive hooked nose. His nose is mostly straight. In contrast, every single Nazi poster depicted jews with, you guessed it, massive hooked noses.

    • grrgyle@slrpnk.net
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      3 个月前

      Political characatures (sp) are common, but if you’ve looked at the specifically antisemitic ones from history you would see these borrow heavily and obviously from those old racist comics.

  • mirshafie@europe.pub
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    3 个月前

    What the actual fuck. Nevermind the antisemitism for a second, why are they even bashing politicians based on appearance in the first place? British media is unhinged.

    • Blackmist@feddit.ukEnglish
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      3 个月前

      It’s a standard thing they do to anybody vaguely left wing.

      If your election promise isn’t to go visit all the billionaire media owners and personally suck them off, you’re not going anywhere in the UK.

      • Echo Dot@feddit.uk
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        3 个月前

        Well yeah they’re trying to implement policies which will ensure to continue existence of the species beyond the next generation. What an awful prospect.

    • Mulligrubs@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 个月前

      What’s wrong with it? Caricatured politicians practically every day for centuries since we’ve had a press, this is bad now?

    • ohulancutash@feddit.ukEnglish
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      3 个月前

      It’s called caricature, and it’s been a central part of British political cartoons since the 18th Century. Politicians have been known to buy the originals to hang on their walls.

    • Babalugats@feddit.ukEnglish
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      3 个月前

      Politicians are horrible twats. No idea what the ratio is, or how it could be proven, but I would imagine that the amount of “good” politicians is a very very low number. I mean politicians that actually have the best interests of the public at heart, or in mind, when they’re making decisions. The idea of voting for people to make decisions for me is nuts. Any outrage about a caricature is crazy.

      • Echo Dot@feddit.uk
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        3 个月前

        If you don’t know what the conversation is about you don’t have to contribute. It’s not a requirement you know.

        I have my criticisms of the greens but not with him in particular

        • Babalugats@feddit.uk
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          3 个月前

          I am fully aware of what the conversation is about.

          Let me break it down for you.

          Caricatures are drawn of a politician.

          Somebody claims that because said politician is Jewish and has a big nose in the caricatures that they are antisemitic.

          Likens the caricatures to pro-Palestine marches when they are, and should be, independent of one another.

          I would suggest that Keir Starmers connections to Israel, and influence by the Jewish people close to him, may lay closer to the reason that his government have cracked down so hard on the Pro-Palestine movements.

          They are a total contradiction in themselves, which has been proven time and time again. Which is something I get is being attempted with this/these examples.

          But they are not like for like. Nowhere in the cartoons is the politician calling for death to Palestinians or even pro-Israel (so cannot be accused of being antisemitic) under Starmers laws.

          But equally if the politician was calling for that, he likely wouldn’t be accused of it either under Starmers Britain.

          Starmers Britain is one where the “only” antisemitic people can be those that will use satire, humour or criticism of the Jewish people, but not necessarily Semite people. That includes calling out Genocide or just publicly supporting aid for the people being slaughtered.

          One example is in this video - A Jewish community crowd around a news crew, telling a Semite journalist that he should “go home” and that he is not welcome on their streets, calling him a Donkey and a Dog. Nothing happened to any of them.

          The law is very lob sided on this ‘law’ under Starmer. His version of antisemitism that he “will not tolerate in any form” is only really in favour of some Semite people, but definitely not all, and not only does he tolerate it, he often ignores it, in many of its forms.

          It seems Jewish people cannot be antisemitic, but other Semite people can be.

  • sanbdra@lemmy.world
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    3 个月前

    Whatever someone’s politics are, these caricatures are gross and way over the line. Criticism doesn’t need to lean on antisemitic imagery.

  • WoodScientist@lemmy.world
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    3 个月前

    Only anti-Semites conflate anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism. If you see someone doing that, you know you’re talking to a raging bigot.

    • Echo Dot@feddit.uk
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      3 个月前

      If anything I suspect the daily mail is pro Zionist so I’m not sure what your point is

    • 🦄🦄🦄@feddit.org
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      3 个月前

      Ah yes the classic “”“anti-zionism”“” of using dogwhistle nazi caricatures of jewish people. Nice unmasking yourself you did there.

  • Destide@feddit.ukEnglish
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    3 个月前

    No it’s check notes anyone who critiques a nation on genocide. At which point we will lump all members of their prominent religion into the same bucket because that’s equality.

  • BigMacHole@thelemmy.club
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    3 个月前

    OP is SO STUPID! NONE of these Cartoons showed someone PROTECTING Children from Bombs or PUSHING away Dogs that are RAPING Children! THOSE would be Anti Semetic!

    -The BBC and Keir Starmer!