• Sunflier@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    He’s bankrupting the country like he bankrupted all his other businesses.

    Guys, it’ll trickle down any second now.

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      The debt is trickling down. Every dollar you give as taxes goes towards that debt and war machine. Since rich don’t pay taxes all the debt payment is yours.

      Even if you don’t pay income taxes; sales tax, property tax, tariff is a payment towards the debt.

    • Passerby6497@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      Especially when you piss away billions on vanity projects, cut off revenue, and start multiple wars for your oil baron masters

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        I think that’s the key. Obama increased the debt - to get out of the Great Recession. Trump increased the debt - to give billionaires and corporations huge tax cuts. Biden increased the debt - to stimulate growth in green industries and manufacturing. Trump increased the debt again - to give billionaires etc etc.

        Just the idea that the yearly budget of the Pentagon is going to go from $800 billion pre-COVID to $1500 billion indicates the people are not a priority.

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          $1500 billion and it’s still not enough to feed all soldiers lol. The vast amount of that money just straight up goes to the billionaires who hold stocks of armament comppanies or whatever.

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        Pushing massive tax cuts for the wealthy (and for regular citizens, but those ones had an expiration date attached) during a time of economic turmoil was certainly an interesting choice.

    • WhirlpoolBrewer@lemmy.world
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      I think they’re pointing out how all political pundits will blame the deficit on whoever the next Democrat president is. The truth you just wrote won’t be mentioned by any of them and all blame will be assigned to the next one.

  • nonentity@sh.itjust.works
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    The entire notion that an entity which possesses the sole authority to issue the currency in which its budgets and accounts are denominated, can in any way be legitimately in a level of ‘debt’ it in any way could be mistaken as problematic, is fundamentally detached from reality.

    • DJKJuicy@sh.itjust.works
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      The illusion of scarcity needs to be maintained. Dollars are only worth something because the entire world believes they’re worth trading for good and services. The only reason the U.S. government collects taxes and “borrows” money is to maintain the illusion.

      If the US Government just conjured up trillions of dollars to pay it’s debts, the world economy would collapse. So the Federal Reserve has to do it slowly via Quantitative Easing.

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        The status quo only serves to entrench the current power structures. Economics is just as imaginary as any other organised religion, and as an antitheist I’d prefer to live within a system which can legitimately be mapped to reality.

        The US congress already conjures every dollar out of thin air, it’s ‘debt’ is merely a poorly labelled finance construct, and the ‘deficit’ is merely the sum total of private sector account balances.

        Religion is the opiate of the people, economics is their fentanyl.

    • flango@lemmy.eco.br
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      Yeah, the current world economy is made up so that the USA can basically print more money and get away with it.

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    It’s simple, really. Trump has foreseen all of the economic mistakes the next democrat president will make and is already fixing them, before they even happen. Some of you should be a little more grateful.

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    The debt is intentionally created. It is all fake. When you tax the rich, you can easily pay all of the debt. Actually, if you want to pay the debt, you can do it right away, because all debt is in us dollars. You can print it. No problem. The problem is, we are believing all these stupid lies about economy. The debt is taken from a citizen already, most of it is taken from the rich, tax them and that is it, all the debt is paid!

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        I still think the funniest thing about the Vance edits is that they look more normal than the real thing. Don’t know how or why but the fucker lost the phenotype roulette and just looks surreal.

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            I think I figured it out, his head or at least face is too babyish. I don’t know if it’s because he’s had work done or if he is just unlucky but his eyes up are normal ish but below his eyes are weirdly rounded. The edits often unify the rounding of his face resulting in him not looking so weird.

            Though his head shape as a whole is kinda off regardless I think it’s the weird assymetrical nature of his face that causes the surreal look.

  • winkly@lemmy.world
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    I blame the democrats for forcing Hilary on us instead of accepting Bernie, who was obviously the people’s choice for candidate, and then they did it again with Harris. 🤦‍♂️

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      obviously the people’s choice for candidate

      The people voted for Clinton over Sanders by a double digit percentage margin. It wasn’t even close.

      For comparison, Obama actually lost the reported popular vote in the 2008 primaries, but this includes a Michigan race that he dropped out of because Michigan moved its primaries forward in violation of DNC rules. Excluding Michigan, Obama won the popular vote by a 0.1% margin, increasing to 0.4% with estimated votes in states that had caucuses instead.

      did it again with Harris

      Biden won the 2024 primary by a more than 80 percent margin.

      The people’s choice was clear in both instances. When Biden dropped out, the people’s choice for a replacement wasn’t clear, but there was no path to rerun the primary, so they had to pick somebody who was closest to what the people had voted for in order to get closest to the people’s choice, which was a continuation of the Biden administration.

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        The people voted for Clinton over Sanders by a double digit percentage margin. It wasn’t even close.

        Okay, so they gave us Clinton by a double-digit percentage margin. That makes it worse, not better.

        Biden won the 2024 primary by a more than 80 percent margin.

        That’s because he ran virtually unopposed. For example, my primary ballot only had two options: “Biden” and “uncommitted”.

        Can you imagine running in a race by yourself and still only getting 80%?

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          Okay, so they gave us Clinton by a double-digit percentage margin. That makes it worse, not better.

          The DNC didn’t give us that. The people did. Winkly’s claim was that Sanders was the people’s choice. The votes show that Clinton was actually the people’s choice, by a wide margin.

          For example, my primary ballot only had two options: “Biden” and “uncommitted”.

          The point remains that he was the people’s choice. In races where he ran against only one other option like yours, the margin of victory was even larger. The DNC did not bar anybody from running in that primary.

          Who do you claim was the people’s choice, if not the candidate who got the most votes?

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            The DNC didn’t give us that. The people did.

            Where did I say anything about the DNC?

            Winkly’s claim was that Sanders was the people’s choice. The votes show that Clinton was actually the people’s choice, by a wide margin.

            Which “the people” are you talking about? Sanders had much more support with “the people” (i.e. voters in general), but was unable to get that support from “the people” in the core of the Democratic Party (i.e. the folks who actually decide who the nominee is going to be).

            Never let the Democrats argue that they vote based upon pragmatism when shit like this happens. The pragmatic choice would’ve been Sanders.

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              Which “the people” are you talking about? Sanders had much more support with “the people” (i.e. voters in general), but was unable to get that support from “the people” in the core of the Democratic Party (i.e. the folks who actually decide who the nominee is going to be).

              The primary voters. They’re not “the core of the Democratic Party.” They’re just regular voters. The people, if you will. The DNC decides who the nominee will be based on the votes of the people in the primaries. The people overwhelmingly voted for Clinton.

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                It wasn’t even a majority of Democratic voters. Only 14% of them voted in the primary. It was a very, very small number of people who selected Clinton.

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                  The ones who cared, voted. The ones who didn’t care, didn’t vote. That’s how voting works.

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      Yes, obviously everything wrong with the country today is the fault of the Democrats. All of it.

      Or is it both sides? I mean, both sides are equally bad, right?

      /s if it isn’t obvious

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        Scorpion and the Frog

        It’s in the nature of the GOP to destroy everything they touch. But they would be completely powerless to act if the Democrats pulled their heads out of their asses.

        “Blame” lies with the GOP, of course. But “Fault” is primarily with the Democrats.

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    Just imagine how bad it would be if the Warmonger Kamala was in power!!!1

    spoiler

    /s, just in case

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      At least nobody voted for that evil socialist Jill Stein. She would’ve turned the US into Cuba and put people into FEMA camps!

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      Centrists were willing to accept a second trump term as long as it meant never saying no to netanyahu.

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        I think you got it backwards. There was a lot of “she’s not threatening to send the army against Israel, therefore - in protest - I will [vote for Trump]/[abstain from voting]”.

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          I know I don’t. You were warned that genocide was a losing issue. Every single time, centrists looked at people begging them to stop selling weapons unconditionally and were like “Russian! Trumpist! Other Thought-Terminating Cliche!”

          You chose to support genocide. You chose to lose rather than stop. So quit pretending that you’re not getting the only thing any centrist has ever wanted just because trump is carrying out your only policy for you.

          You won when we didn’t have a primary.

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            See, one of the issues with today’s discourse is the extreme tribalism involved. “If you’re not with me, you’re against me”, “if you don’t agree with my side’s points, clearly you’re from the other side”.

            I’m not even from the US, dude. I didn’t support genocide, I didn’t choose anything, I’m not pretending, etc., etc.

            On top of that:

            You were warned that genocide was a losing issue. Every single time, centrists looked at people begging them to stop selling weapons unconditionally and were like “Russian! Trumpist! Other Thought-Terminating Cliche!”

            This is 100% nonsense. Trump was always going to be Israel’s lap dog, and Putin would want nothing more than more chaos in the Middle East, so this whole argument is invalid.

            Also, notice how the actual genocide started after Biden’s term was finished.

            That’s the other problem with you people - you’re so blinded by single-issues, that you have no clue what’s actually going on. Instead of having a leader who maybe, potentially, probably didn’t pressure Netanyahu to fuck off from Gaza, you got a leader who not only supported him in that, but also suggested that the whole of Gaza should be flattened and made into a vacation resort, while also bringing pain and suffering to people all across the world.

            You dug your heels in on the Gaza issue because around 70k people died there? Well, now you get to eat the pie flavoured with “9.4 million deaths by 2030” due to USAID cuts.

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              This is 100% nonsense. Trump was always going to be Israel’s lap dog,

              There was no non-lapdog running.

              Instead of having a leader who maybe, potentially, probably didn’t pressure Netanyahu to fuck off from Gaza

              No such candidate was on the ballot.

              You dug your heels in on the Gaza issue because around 70k people died there? Well, now you get to eat the pie flavoured with “9.4 million deaths by 2030” due to USAID cuts.

              I knew your genocidal shit would lose to the other genocidal shit. Plenty of people on the left tried to warn democrats to for the love of god show some movement on your only issue so they wouldn’t lose.

              They preferred losing.

              Congratulations, you got the only thing you wanted. You got genocide. Stop whining that people don’t love it as much as you do.

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                OK, this conversation is done. You’re in your own little world where I’m somehow taking a side, or responsible, for the US politics. You just keep assuming stuff about me, even when I told you you’re wrong. Continuing this is pointless.

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                  You just keep assuming stuff about me, even when I told you you’re wrong.

                  First time? Try getting called a Russian for a solid year for saying that democrats have no business supporting genocide.

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    If only The FED would print more money and fix everything! Please save us, Fed, from the money

    p.s. the fed are all bankers who work for private banking, before and after their fed “term”.