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I would vote democrat at the time if I was physically not banned from voting, but I do understand. Think about it from their perspective.
A democratic candidate comes up, they are pro-palestine, and explicitly say they want to make being trans illegal. They also have a history of wrongly sentencing black people back when they worker in legal system. Whatever minority you are in, they want to kill all of the members.
Now would you still be able to willingly support them? What if I repeated this trolley problem 6 times in a row for future elections? Would you still play the game?
Mom says it’s my turn to blame anyone but the Democrats for losing the world’s easiest election twice
Every other day with these same exact divisive bullshit DNC centrist posts. Its almost like its a GOP media company running an ad campaign, releasing them on a steady timer. And yet the actions of the DNC seem to say the same thing so maybe its not.
Ah, liberal wokescolding first thing in the morning
Yes, thank you for opening our eyes, none of us knew this, even though we all held our nose and voted for the woman who was suddenly thrust on us as it became apparent that Joe Biden couldn’t win, who herself was winning UNTIL she said we’ll have the most lethal military and who cozied up to Sarah Longwell and fucking Liz Cheney and spent time chasing Republican votes and basically promising nothing to anyone from the moderates to the left
You fucking Overton shit shovelers are insufferable.
Hey you know what we might not have had climate change if Al Gore had gotten elected in 2000. Why aren’t we doing more hanging-chad memes?
You failed the trolly problem.
super funny comment considering the idea of the classic trolley problem has no fail state and is just a moral exercise.
you failed moral theory.
no fail state
The whole point is either choice results in death. What are you even on about?
Please learn a different ethical framework. Utilitarianism isn’t the only one
Please stop sanewashing right-wing child rapists.
I swear, I have yet to see any of you morons bringing up the trolley problem understand what the trolley problem even is.
Does this help?
Ah “I am exactly the thing you posted” first thing in the morning
This is why I love defending Democrats because it pisses off both siders.
“shut up about genocide, I’m trying to talk nonsense here”
“hmm, no, i can’t think of ONE thing is do differently than the 900 year old”
“hey look, the Cheneys love us! so do many other republican demons you always hated”
…
“wait, why didn’t enough people turn out?”
I feel like you’re leaving some negatives off from the Kamala side. Namely that she’s a corporatist liberal and was a prosecutor. IMO both of those are important details that shouldn’t be left off. Trump is a once in a lifetime evil, but she’s no saint either. The problem is we must cast away these billionaire serving candidates.
Do the libs have some billionaires on ketamine who swing their tiny dribbling dicks around and make things more effective?
Would any of this shit have happened?
and was a prosecutor
How is this a bad thing? Like, what about being a prosecutor is inherently bad?
Go ask the MANY people she wrongly prisoned on drug charges while talking about how cool weed is. I bet they have tons of love for prosecutors.
all cops are bastards
I have never heard or read of anybody saying that people should “Vote Trump because Kamala supports Israel” until this moment.
Every president in the USA has supported Israel as long as Israel has been a thing, but none of them before Trump let Israel goad them into start a direct war with Iran.
Impossible to say definitely, but there’s no reason to believe Kamala Harris would have either.
Listen.
It is the dem establishment’s job to get people out to vote. They did an abysmal job. With not just running Joe Biden first and then switching to Harris last minute, but also largely refusing to engage with media. They had a shit fucking campaign. And yes, voters have some responsibility, but you can not deny outright the fact that many people just didn’t show up to vote. Because the Dems did a shit job.
Also, she is more of the same. Not saying Trump isn’t, but there is a deep fucking need for real change and she wasn’t it. And yes, a lot of people who are anti genocide will refuse to support anyone who is Pro genocide, like Harris. If you’re putting blame on anyone, let it be the absolutely dogshit cowardly DNC leadership
This is stupid people who didn’t like Kamala because the was a genocide enabler weren’t saying vote Trump wtf.
And anyway shit’s over. This finger wagging told-ya-so bullshit is less than worthless. It’s abundantly clear you can still lose to the worst person alive if people don’t like you… So maybe force the Dems to run someone decent or make the Dems disappear. You’re not gonna shame the electorate into the lesser of two evils crap, how have you not seen this yet?
Sometimes what you don’t say is more important than what you do say. Many on the left were manipulated and used to boost the fascist. Something many to this day are still too sensitive about to acknowledge.
There wasn’t Mass coverage and protest that all major party candidates supported the genocide. Only Harris. In all the Zionist and oligarch media, every day it was wall to wall coverage of the people calling Harris out over it. It was legitimately used to launder Donald Trump’s image.
The fact that the vitriol and hatred that anyone who pointed this out got back then. And still gets today, proves that many failed to learn the important lesson. While they were absolutely correct to criticize Harris for her support. They were wrong to only focus on her over it. Even if symptoms like trump and everyone in his administration met the gallows tomorrow. These same people will continue to naively allow themselves to be weaponized against the achievable over the perfect. Ultimately getting more symptoms elected in the future, and allowing the Overton window to ratchet further and further to the right. National Democrats are horrible allies, they’re unfortunately the best we have.
National Democrats are horrible allies, they’re unfortunately the best we have.
So much so it becomes plausible that they might not actually be allies.
They certainly aren’t. They’re not even allies to themselves. But without them we have little hope of getting anything passed. And without us they stand little chance of getting elected. Neither of us would choose to ally with the other.
Duverger’s law, the way the elections are winner takes all makes it mathematically certain there are only two viable options. It’s basic math which people failed at.
Which makes it all the more important for candidate not to pull a Harris and try to gaslight voters.
When parties are roughly evenly matched, elections often turn on irrelevant or misleading considerations such as economic spurts or downturns beyond the incumbents’ control; the outcomes are essentially random. Thus, voters do not control the course of public policy, even indirectly.
https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691169446/democracy-for-realists
You also have to include the swing states having a highly disproportionate amount of voting power, the wealthy having a disproportionate amount of influence, and the electoral college making small farm states election makers
duvergers law does not say that. it’s not"basic math". it’s a useless tautology
I just think the worse thing now is seeing the current lineup of candidates for 2028… shes still there and so are a bunch of others im pretty sure nobody wants.
That’s part of why I’m being so vocal lately. I am going to vote in 2028, and I am not going to vote for someone who supports Israel. If that means writing in ‘The Reanimated Corpse of Abraham Lincoln,’ then so be it.
Assuming the Democrats have a primary this time, widespread anti-zionist sentiment could convince some people to work towards getting a candidate on the ballot who isn’t a zionist. Harris and Newsom are destined to fail if they end up on the ballot in November. If these “vote blue no matter who” people really want a blue candidate in office, then let’s work towards getting a blue candidate that can beat no preference.
Ro Khanna toed the line on pushing for Epstein disclosures. That’s probably going my litmus test for humans vgoing forward, regardless whether he is permitted to progress
I know many Muslims in Michigan that voted for Trump because Kamala supported Israel…
anecdotes are not data
Fuck ‘em
In the neo-liberal brain and rhetoric that’s how they have to argue to get you to swallow the poison of the “lesser evil.”
Dude could actually nuke Iran and kill millions and dumb assholes online still wouldn’t concede that he is and was obviously the worse evil.
people aren’t saying that Kamala wasn’t the lesser evil. They are saying that running evil candidates suppresses voter turnout and that doing so is a loosing strategy (unless doing evil is your gole, like the GOP)
I agree that it’s a dumb strategy, but given the choice it’s obvious that Harris was better qualified, less evil, and would not actively work to make your life worse. It’s just that the average American voter is a window licker / paste eater so they voted for the other guy.
The difference between terrible and more terrible is a thin line. If you think the world is only binary choices then you’re the type of person leftist rail against. There’s more choices but Democrats would have you believe there isn’t.
Not in this voting system there isn’t. I don’t know why online third party cranks are so fucking abysmal at game theory. It’s blatantly obvious that only two outcomes are possible on general election day but you lot think you can manifest third party viability through shit posting.
It’s not game theory when you see the two parties as the same side of the same coin which is what people like you fail to realize. Let me put it this way, there are Democrats still voting FOR Trump appointees, and it’s not a few of them. If they’re really “The Resistance” like they want us to think they can start but not voting with the fascists. But hey, blue no matter who, right?
It’s not game theory when you see the two parties as the same side of the same coin which is what people like you fail to realize.
Same side of the same coin? That is…not the expression.
I’m pretty sure Trump could actually nuke Iran and you’d still be on here talking about how Harris would’ve been bad…exactly how I was saying in my first response.
There’s a time to vote for an alternative in the US system. That time is during the primary. If you actually gave a shit you’d be advocating for ranked choice, a change to the funding system of elections, or both. But nope, you’re just another one of Trump’s useful idiots.
Yes, because evil is still evil. What in the living fuck do you not understand supporting Harris was still supporting Israel as well. Jesus fucking christ you people tire the fuck out of me with your inane vote blue no matter who lesser of two evils bullshit. As long as you continue to play with their games they’ll continue to never improve. So you can continue and hope for harm reduction or not vote, campaign for those you would like to actually see and refuse to vote for those you don’t like at all. Because right now, Newsom is looking like the Democrat’s candidate of choice and he’s goddamn awful of a politician and person.
What is this flag next to trans flag?
No one said this. It’s a strawman.
Why are libs so determined to make Americans accept their dog shit platform? I hate it so much, stop guilt tripping non voters for wanting out of your fucked dystopic shit hole political system. It’s not the non voters fault any of this is happening.
Biden and Harris’s support of Isreal was within reasonable bounds even if you think they should have been more/less heavy handed. Harris was pushing for resolution, more aid, restrictions on munitions and withholding operations until civilians had been evacuated.
Trumps support of isreal was and still is deranged. He was talking about turning gaza to glass, moving them “somewhere else”, letting a far right hardliner do whatever he wants.
If you were drawing that equivalent then you must be over the moon because you got exactly what you wanted. The destruction and death of hundreds of thousands of peoples lives.
