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Here’s some tips:
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Sticking to this community’s name, ditch the automobile all together and adopt a hybrid approach of cycling and public transit. Buy and/or build a good bike or e-bike and learn the local bus route and/or routes of any other public transit.
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For those of us still stick in Der Orangenführer’s fascist regime, stick to cars made before 2012. Some cars were going to high tech before this but it’s bond to be outdated but check if it’s still used.
This is reminding me of a talk I had with a mechanic friend in the early 1990s, when integrated electronics started showing up in basic functions of a lot of new cars. People like him, who didn’t know crap about computers but were really good at the mechanical concerns when cars were pretty much mechanical devices - fuel goes in here, controlled explosions in that box there turn other things which make wheels go, and a bunch of cords and plumbing to connect it all up and levers to direct the mechanical energy - were having to confront what to do when that mysterious circuit board began to need work.
This talk happened when I was visiting to set up a new cassette-based telephone answering machine for him and tutor him in its use, because he was that hopeless with electronics.
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I hate the world we’re building.
I hate the world they’re forcing us to consent to live in.
They’re not even forcing us to consent. They’re forcing us without our consent and then claiming we consented by not having any other choice.
Then revoke your consent insofar as you are able
They don’t want you to know this, but members of the ruling class are human and therefore actually very easy to remove from power. You just take all of the goo out of them and that generally works.
Force and consent are contradictory.
Time for opensourcevehicles and opensourcetransit to become a thing. I’m one of many people interested in doing that. Anyone have spitball ideas on how to go about doing that?
Trying to think up some simpler first projects, how to get it funded, and how to get a community for that up and running
Also, some people were interested in making opensourcebusiness community. If anyone is still interested then please do it there was 7 people I remember that were interested at the time for that
We can also get opensourceanimation, opensourceuiux, and way more up and running. To slowly transform our world and get open source to grow even more
I love the spirit! I think about open sourcing vehicles all the time, but unfortunately I think the biggest hurdle might be in what constitutes a street-legal vehicle.
Even though there’s lots of dangerous problems with closed source cars, I’m pretty sure there’s some litany of safety / engineering standards that manufacturers have to meet, as well as passing “smog tests” in many places. (EVs still on the table tho…?)
So, an open source vehicle would be more transparent, which would be a huge win! But also if it was a community initiative like say, RepRap, I imagine there’d be a lot of red tape with user-designed or hypothetically 3D printed cars or somesuch, especially when it comes to safety standards.
The biggest worries I’d have would be how much interest such projects would get from safety engineers and other pros who know how to make the thing not kill the user.
Am I way off? I’d love to hear I’m wrong and there’s plenty of hope for this to be a thing. I really hate modern car manufacturers. They all suck. Their proprietary lock-in and user-hostile attitude sucks. We need better. :)
“Didn’t realize I was in fuckcars” Did you think you were in opensource? I ask because if this sort of conversation is commonplace there then I’m actually quite curious about it. I’d thought it was primarily focused on open source software, which is also cool but is a different niche.
EDIT: LMAO, just stumbled across this in the wild. Looks like this link is making a lot of rounds, but yep, opensource.
Something to consider, how does that law apply in the US making it illegal to break any digital lock, passed in the late 90s to protect CD companies? It’s our property, we should be able to program it how we want, just curious if a company could lean on (pay off) the feds to persecute someone wiping their programming and putting in their own?
I would assume an open source e-bike would probably be the place to start.
Or just a regular degular bike.
I’m not sure how much about a regular bike needs to be any more open source than it already is. The patent has long since expired. It’s not like there’s any major bike manufacturer trying to lock in owners.
Someone elsewhere in the thread linked https://www.openmotors.co/product/tabbyevo/, which I had never heard of before and which is actually pretty fascinating.
I’d obviously say the best open source vehicles are bikes and scooters, but I understand that currently isn’t an option for everyone and that even in the ideal scenario there’s going to need to be a small number of cars, trucks and vans. IDK how practical something like this will really be, but it’s at least pretty neat.
Hey that’s pretty cool!
If it were powerful enough to just slap a Honda Element chassis on there, it’d be so perfect. A man can dream. XD
Awesome thanks for the heads up! Feel like it will be possible just for bigger projects it will definitely need a community open source everything approach
This is why I drive a 20 year old car.
same here (well, not quite), but what are we going to do ten years from now?
Own 30 year old cars?
unfortunately not much of an option up here in Ontario
government is still overusing road salt because people can’t be bothered to learn to drive better…
Should’ve bought the undercoat protections /s
tbf, I actually should have done that on this car. I didn’t realize when I bought just how difficult it would be in the future to find a suitable replacement. so now it will live until the frame falls apart
in retrospect, I should have known. wagons were already off the new market when I bought this one.
I do because I’m fuckin’ broke. But this is a nice benefit.
There’s more than enough spying capability on most smartphones. I’m not worried about my car at all.
But your car is a heck of a lot harder to install a privacy-focused custom ROM on.
The very worst offender is Nissan. The Japanese car manufacturer admits in their privacy policy to collecting a wide range of information, including sexual activity, health diagnosis data, and genetic data — but doesn’t specify how. They say they can share and sell consumers’ “preferences, characteristics, psychological trends, predispositions, behavior, attitudes, intelligence, abilities, and aptitudes” to data brokers, law enforcement, and other third parties.
What the actual fuck
a wide range of information, including sexual activity,
404 :(
$$$$$$$
iirc this got removed shortly after it got attention
and not before it was produced? press x to doubt they actually removed it… If there’s no independent research and we can’t have the CEO’s own data, then take it with a big grain of salt
I’m not sure what you mean, but I meant you could no longer find the bit about collecting sex related data on the nissan site after mozilla made that article. I read some of them before and I’m not 100% but I’m pretty sure I read that section, but when I shared the article with people it was gone from the car maker site by then.
They’re saying that corps barely give a shit about the law and will continue doing the thing, only they will stop telling people they are doing it. Then when they get caught for doing still doing it they will say ‘oh no we are so sorry’ and pay the meaninglessly small fine attached to it. And then still continue to do the thing.
If you have the url. Have you looked for it on the wayback internet archive?
Turns out this article is from 2023, but here you go - search the page for “sexual activity” and you’ll find it
Y’all just need to stop being selfish and think about the shareholders.
I still drive an old car and this is one of many reasons why.
got to love GDPR
The smartest chip in my 2001 VW Golf is the automatic climate control.
I just saw someone post of open source cars. Now I know why.
This is why if you buy a car, you should get a “dumb” car.
Serious question, what is the best solution to this? My household has three cars, the newest is from 2008. It makes me nervous as to what to do if I wanted a “new” car (I’d never buy an actual new car, just new to me and made in the last ten years).
Remove the spyware junk. All you’d practically use (beside the driving essentials itself) is radio, heating, lighting, warning signs, aircon, and that’s it, really.* A Faraday cage can also help.
* Not gonna lie, something in me wonders whether those also have spyware or not… but either way.
How you gonna drive around with a car in a Faraday cage?
You ain’t gonna see shit
We need to find a way to cripple cars’ connectivity.
If the data is stored in the car, that just changes the timing of the privacy breach, not its existence.
There are a lot of serious issues that get recalled that need to be fixed in software nowadays. If you disable the radio, sure you’re safe, but like you mention, if its stored on the car, now you either forego addressing recalls and risk your life, or you take it into the service center to manually update it and they get the data then.
Check for a “telematics unit” Removed one recently for a 2016 Subaru Forrester because it was draining the battery.
Takes some checking about what makes let you disconnect or not. Toyota does, Kia has no option, base models might still have the “feature” omitted, etc.
How?
It’s even trickier with EVs.
On the one hand you can charge your EV at home and no one knows about it.
On the other, you can’t pay for a public charger with cash, there’s always a trail. Cars have unique identifiers that are communicated to the charger when connected. Each time you charge in public they know exactly who are you and what car it is.
Each time you charge in public they know exactly who are you and what car it is.
because they designed it that way. it doesn’t need to be designed that way.
and there’s no reason you couldn’t pay for charging your car in cash just like with a gas pump
same is true when you fill up at a gas station…
You can pay with cash at a gas station.
Many smaller gas stations don’t have automated license plate scanning systems to track customers. I’m not even sure if bigger gas stations do it.
It’s not the gas station that is tracking you. It’s the Flock cameras.
So I guess we don’t have to worry about privacy in cars. Since everyone is tracked anyway being tracked by your car doesn’t change anything.
also your phone…
But the car tracking you is another source of much more individualised data, and recordings of your conversations inside the car is much easier with better mics that a lot of cars have than a phone mic …
Also it’s one more party collecting the data so more risk of leaks etc.
State sponsored surveillance Flock cameras photographed the chat.
There’s always plugshare - charge at a random person’s house
What if:
My car doesn’t have a cellular connection? Does it still spy?
I have SatNav, but it doesn’t have a hotspot/wifi/cell, does it so collect data somehow? I’m guessing somehow over GPS/sat maybe?
Some cars used 3G cellular connections, which is no longer active in most countries.
The only countries with active networks are Croatia, Hong Kong, Ireland, Italy, Slovenia, and South Korea.
With no cellular connection, no data will go out as GPS is one-way by nature. I suppose it’s possible someone with physical access can retrieve some metrics if relevant but that’s not really a factor IMHO.
If it doesn’t have ANY online or cellular features AND the model never had them as an option, it probably doesn’t have a sim card and won’t track you. Sim cards cost the manufacturer money.
But if the same model as your car was available with such features and yours was just configured without them, it’s entirely possible yours has a sim card too.
