And yes, I know people will say block keywords and communities, but people don’t understand some communities have rules and people must follow them.
This got reported as being not twitter or equal. I’m kind of on the fence about this. I see their point, but the original was twitter. Please tell me what you think in the comments, not just downvote or upvote. This will guide me in the future if we have any more posts like this.
It should be in YPTB, but they’ll just use that as more proof of their “outrage”.
People like this need to accept and understand that we don’t want to talk about US politics everywhere, all the time.
We need to keep the cycle going. Remove the post, so that OP can make their own fuck this I’m done post.
the original was twitter
As in, the post was originally on Twitter? I’m not sure what this means
Yes, that’s what I mean. It was on a twitter like site.
Sounds fine to me, if this is a picture of a Twitter-like site then I don’t really see an issue
Fighting to remove as many posts as possible on Lemmy when we barely get any posts at all doesn’t make sense; ignore the people requesting you take a popular post down for some potential technicality.
You’re right.
I’m going to start posting my gunpla in cooking communities because we need content.
We have trolls here too. I’m okay if they take a hike, lol.
It probably shouldn’t be allowed in the future, but given that it has > 300 up-votes and is only now spurring a finer definition of the rule, I think it warrants an exception. If OP reads this, they now know to post this kinda thing in a different community in the future. But removing this particular post seems a little harsh.
I was searching for a community to post it, but I couldn’t find any. This one seemed closer to the idea l, a post where it says something. I also think I saw a photo from Facebook in this community, so…m Maybe we need a community about posts like these, but not twitter.
You can post it in my community. Or Lemmy Shitpost. Here’s a link:https://lemmy.world/c/itsashitworld
Is there a lemmydrama like subredditdrama? Maybe a fedidrama community would work. I don’t know if one exists yet
I don’t tend to think of wpt as specifically twitter posts. Maybe that’s how it started, but over time it has become a more generalized “screenshots of short text posts” type of thing in my mind. The “or similar” in the rules leaves a lot of ambiguity, but in my mind Twitter was always about short text posts, so any short text posts would fall under that “similar” umbrella. I wouldn’t object to seeing something from Facebook, Instagram, or Reddit being posted here as long as it was a text post and not super long, so it feels disingenuous to complain about a Lemmy post being here.
Especially since, twitter isn’t even twitter anymore. And the only thing you are going to get from what twitter has become is ragebait, bots, and racism. For “whitepeopletwitter” to continue and not end up dying from lack of content, it needs to start opening up to other sources that stick with the same idea as what twitter used to supply.
Do whatever, ruleslawyering is not helpful. Is the community enjoying it? It stays. Is it detrimental? It gets removed. The “rules” should be more like guidelines to suggest to posters what type of content the intent of the community is, not what type of content is permissible.
Is someone posting vaguely in the direction of the intent of the community? That would be good enough for me.
Anyone trying to separate posts into increasingly niche communities (like the asinine dontdeadopeninside and nosafetysmokingfirst split on reddit) is not helping the community of posters and lurkers.
The “rules” should be more like guidelines to suggest to posters what type of content the intent of the community is, not what type of content is permissible.
I totally agree. Rules number 1, 4, and 5 are the most important, in my opinion. I’m not saying that there shouldn’t be rules in the communities; there definitely should be rules. Guidelines for what to post instead of what not to post will probably be more beneficial.
I don’t see the original. All I see are Lemmy related images and that, to me, doesn’t belong here.
I havent read the rules of the comm. but ive always perceived whitepeopletwitter as a place to post text based social media screenshots.
Guys, are we really surprised that America colonised the English-speaking Internet?
My filters in Thunder:
- Trump
- Epstein
- ICE agent
- micropenis
Suggestions are welcome.
Mass shooting Peace Nobel prise Israël Greenland
Musk
DHS
Too generic, I don’t even know what is it.
Department of Homeland Security. If you’re blocking “ICE agent”, this is a related term. It’s mentioned in almost every other post about ICE.
I already block so many keywords and communities here. It’s hard to keep up.
Thank you mods for helping keep some places free of US politics.
Amen!!
All mod actions are harmful
I reported this post to the mods, you’re about to receive harmful action!
Only people who abuse the rules feel the need to say this.
https://lemmy.world/comment/22187363
Not shocking at all.
Same logic as “if you got nothing to hide you got nothing to worry about”. What a genuinely dumb fucking thing to say. It’s like saying “only criminals are against the death penalty hurr durr”.
There’s a a difference between abusing rules and breaking them. You fall into the former, not the latter.
you’re a dumbass if that’s the equivalence you derive from that statement.
yo mama
oh so you’re acting like an edgelord now. You maybe from Uganda but you act like an SAC
Spin your own instance. Fully unmoderated as you wish. Enjoy your defederations and lack of users other than trolls and bots, oh and the visit from the gov when someone starts spewing csam onto it.
How insane the dichotomous stupidity. I am not at all saying “do not moderate”.
“All actions are harmful” is a statement of empathy and far more nuances than you understand. Your lack of fundamental logic skills are sad.
What the OP posted is extremely flawed logic. There is nothing partisan about the death of Alex Pretti. Wanting to talk about his death is something bipartisan and any halfwit should be able to discern as much if they take the time to think things through. This post is showing mob populism and a lack of morals and ethics that are super dangerous and idiotic. The actions taken against the post were deeply flawed, and the hate here is bigoted tribalistic nonsense. This is turning into a worthless echo chamber and it is driving out people with intellectual balance and half decent logic skills. How pathetic.
I’m with you 100%. I gotta say, there be a phalanx of seriously dumb motherfuckers on here. I get MAGA vibes from the whole thing, just more online astroturfing attempts to silence dissent.
Great, I said we need to talk more about Alex…and the collective fediverse said we need to not talk about politics. Real fucking clown shoes this place.
Fuck off dunce. Keep US politics out of non-political subs. Tf!? How’s this hard to understand?
ONLY PARTY ALIGNED POSTS ALLOWED! Why don’t you fuck off and get your memefix on Reddit instead if you’re into censorship? We literally created this place to get away from that.
Great, so you didn’t understand a single word of what i said. Says something about you dumb Americans trying to politicize every single thing. Suck a dick friend
Hey I’m in here fighting with you on your side, don’t lump all Americans in with the Hexbear and Grad users evading defeds (defeds that happened because they couldn’t keep political posts where they fucking belong, coincidence? I think not.)
Politics doesn’t belong in apolitical communities, American, Brazilian, Lithuanian or goddamn Laotian idgaf.
To some degree American politics dominate because there are just so many of us and shutting up isn’t our style, sure, but at least they need to keep that shit out of apolitical escapist spaces. Everyone deserves a break sometimes (and it’d probably do those assholes the most good, tbh).
My bad, I just got agitated by their comment. There are definitely many thoughtful ones among you
a mod on a single community is not the collective fediverse
More or less referring to this entire thread
yeah nobody told you we don’t need to speak about it. But there are other things we want to speak about as well.
You’re probably the family member or colleague that never gets invited anywhere. You sound insufferable.
Right, one post about alex was definitely keeping people from speaking.
As insufferable as I am we both know I dont get invited because im entirely uninterested.
Lol, so clearly you’re not done with Lemmy.
Also, they’re right. Most of the world does not live in the US. Not everything needs to be about you. That kind of exceptionalism is one of the reasons your country is not popular right now.
Oh, Im done. Im done shilling for this platform. Mostly done browsing it. Any good i thought there was, im done. Its only a matter of time before lemmy fades into obscurity.
Good, go. Each one of you that does is one step closer to having a functioning platform that abides by community rules and we can have our political discourse and escape from it too when we want to.
I don’t want manicotti right now, I want a burrito, doesn’t mean I never eat manicotti or that manicotti is bad, but when I order a burrito and receive manicotti from the Mexican restaurant, yeah, I’m fucking pissed, no shit. They shouldn’t even have that shit. Now apply that to lemmy and shut the fuck up.
Ignores the don’t X here sign then gets mad when they aren’t allowed to X
The issue with a “no politics” rule though is that everything is political. It ends up just being the mods removing what they want to remove and letting what they want to see stay.
Okay and if the users of that community are happy with that and you are free to stay away, where is the problem exactly?
The issue is that users generally don’t get a say. Even in the fediverse, moderators aren’t chosen democratically. Yeah, you can start your own community and try to build it up, but inertia is not in your favor.
Anyway, my point is that a “no politics” rule is not really reasonable. You can have one, and you can enforce it however you want. It will always just end up causing issues though. For example: look up Nazi degenerate art. It’s just art, right? However, to them it was political, and it was political in a way they didn’t like, so they removed it from society.
No moderator is perfect. Even if you trust them, blurry rules probably aren’t the best. There’s better ways to define the intent than “no politics” that create clear borders of what’s allowed and what isn’t. Blurry rules are usually best for those who want to abuse it.
I am excited to see how your lemmy instance works out. When will it go online?
I just saw this post on “All”. I’m not part of this community and I don’t care to open an alternative for it. I’m just point out how blurry rules are open for abuse. Just because you agree with the person running things today doesn’t mean someone in the future won’t use it to remove something you want to stay. I don’t understand how people don’t get this yet.
The issue is that users generally don’t get a say.
Yes that is because they don’t carry any of the responsibilities of running the server. Why would they be allowed to decide?
I didn’t say they should. Your comment implied that they did (or at least implies participation is consent). I just pointed out that they, in fact, do not. There is no value judgement in that statement.
“It’s so unfair!” … as if the identical thing is not being done to literally everyone else all the time. Toddler logic.
A nuance that people often miss about lemmy.ml’s authoritarian policies - whereby they ban people from communities they’ve never even seen before - is not that it is done, but that when it is it cites a hidden set of rules that are nowhere ever written down. Little kid logic, where the rules mean whatever they feel like in that moment, and if you don’t like it then feel free to try to stop them.
Some people here are pushing for fascist Reddit 2.0, others for free-speech Voat, but most of us just want to get along somewhere in the middle without too much bother:-P.
You mean these hidden rules at the top of the front page?
The rules only matter if the admins adhere to them and enforces them consistently.
Those hidden rules, shown openly and have working links. So hidden. I heard McDonald’s hides the Big Mac from the public too.
Yes, you got me: by “hidden rules” I obviously meant the very highly visible, non-hidden ones, placed where nobody can miss them at the top of the page.
My recollection is that Voat took a turn into being fascist Reddit 2.0 pretty quickly itself.
Took about two seconds.
Turns out when you build a platform around anti-censorship you wind up with a small number of free speech enthusiasts and a large number of people who will be banned from any site with rules against hate speech.
Then when you have a site where 80% of the content is racism the 20% non racists leave.
Not saying mod was wrong but… It’s weird how we define politics.
Like, if portals started randomly appearing all over the Earth, spawning little goblins that like to turn human bodies inside-out, that would pretty clearly not be politics — but only for like 2 months.
After a while, the political parties would settle on their positions (probably with one of them calling it a hoax), and from that point forward saying “I can’t believe people are okay with the inside-out goblins” will be labeled “political”.
Which I guess is basically how fascism wins so easily. As long as it’s impolite to acknowledge the horrors of the world, it’s okay for them to continue.
Still, though - c/shower thoughts?
Like, in all seriousness, I don’t think lack of ability to flood a Lemmy community, least of all the one in question, is going to have any effect on the matter. Like, at all.
I mean, I think about the horros.of the world.in the shower.
It appears the post was removed, so the system worked, right?
If literal hell on earth was happening, and I was spending most of my real world time dealing with it, and there was nowhere I could go to escape from it and people exclusively talked about it all of the time, I would kill myself. We are allowed to stop talking about it sometimes.
We’re not the ones commiting the horrors of the world, nor are we the ones able to stop them. It’s not our job, duty or obligation to be confronted by them at all times, in all aspects of our lives.
Using it as an analogy, how does going to a bunch of kids who can barely take care of themselves and asking them to save the world actually help?
The people on fediverse already know about the horrors, most are against the horrors and are trying to help. They don’t need more requests or more prodding with a stick. They need more thanks for standing up instead, if anything.
The target audience is the wide world beyond this place. The ones that can help but don’t. The ones in charge or the ones putting them in charge.
A successful social interaction requires selecting the right audience and the correct circumstances. And a lot of the communities here ain’t either.
We’re not the ones commiting the horrors of the world, nor are we the ones able to stop them. It’s not our job, duty or obligation to be confronted by them at all times, in all aspects of our lives.
This was the attitude of millions of Americans.
I don’t disagree with you at all, you didn’t do this, you aren’t responsible for it but it’s here nonetheless. My kiddo is recovering from surgery right now, it wasn’t his fault, he didn’t ask for it, but if we didn’t do something about it, he would have had terrible repercussions from it. Did we have to do it, no, we could have just noted it and hoped it would take care of itself. Was it unfair, absolutely. But he’s got meds to take, and even though he didn’t ask for any of this, he’s doing what he needs to to get better.
I’m truly sorry, as someone from one of the places fucking up the world. I too did not ask for this, and I’ve been trying as hard as I can to prevent and now stop this. The horrors will continue, it’s happening in places all across the world, I hope it doesn’t arrive for you.
Ok, so would you like me to follow you around lemmy and constantly remind you of your kid’s surgery on every single post, or would you like to continue being able to talk about things related to whatever community you’re in so that maybe for a brief second you can have a bit of peace?
I’d be willing to do that for you, if you feel like you’re missing out and like people shoving politics where it doesn’t belong just because “it’s here nonetheless,” I can shove your personal issues where they don’t belong for you and hopefully that cheers you up.
Sigh, analogies are a bit much for some people huh?
Sorry if some folks have shower thoughts about things that are happening in the world. Ignore the thoughts you can’t handle or grasp. The world has a lot of shit happening and a lot of people take showers.
Sigh, counting is just too much for some people. Turns out c/showerthoughts has more than one rule: must be showerthought. That is rule 1 but you’ll notice rule 3 is quite clear:
And they even offer an alternative appropriate community right there. So, y’know fuck off and stuff.
You are very angry about this. I’m conversing about the post here, I haven’t said a thing in showerhoughts. Doesn’t mean I don’t have an opinion.
Have a lovely day friendo.
Well, “the post here” is talking about posting political things in showerthoughts, a community with a rule saying “no politics,” and yes I’m very angry that I can’t even get a short respite from politics even where it’s disallowed by name. It’s incredibly annoying and contributing to political burnout not just for me but many others here too. You repeating the same line as those that ignore the community rules, “it’s happening regardless,” isn’t super helpful, and on a post where they’re all here defending their evangelism, yeah you came off as defending it too.
I don’t care if “it’s happening regardless,” when I go to c/dogpics to avoid it for a brief break I don’t need it there too, thus cheating me out of my break. It’s the internet equivalent of my boss making me work through my break at work and it’s just as annoying. Have all the opinions you want, just don’t post them in some community with “no opinions” in the sidebar and we’re all good.
You have a nice day too pal.
Typical troll bullshit, go away
5 words and I’m the troll.
Best of luck bud.
Let me guess, European hosted? Yeah I ditched them for their suppression of pro-Luigi speech. Fuck em.
I won’t say all rules are valid or right, but this one just makes sense (in contrast to rules of some other communities, which outright ban certain opinions). Sometimes you don’t want to hear about all the doom and gloom, and for many people, it’s not good for their mental health to hear about it all the time. They know what’s happening, they need some time off.
Yeah, sometimes on the old place, you woukd seeposts removed for being political, on like, a news sub.
Like WTF, basically all polotocs literally is news, though not all news is political.
That said, I’m fine with having a general “news” that allows it all, “political news” that is strictly political, “apolitical news” that allows everything else but politics, “uplifting news” that is actually uplifting, “climate news” that is specifically about that, “science news” etc etc. This is the internet we can make the comms, we’re not running out of room to store them.
I think part of why it’s like this here is that in the beginning, before the exodus, it was necessary to keep comms broad because there were like 12 people here, but now it’s like 3y on, and I think we can get more specific now.
Another, larger part is the annoying hexbear and grad users, after annoying everyone so hard with oh y’know putting their politics where it didn’t belong (“weird” that it’s the same issue now) they got largely defederated, they started migrating to alts on other instances and instead of learning their lesson on why nobody likes them and pushing their politics where it does belong they just continue because the evangelism is the point.
I’m glad that those interested or in many cases, obsessed with politics have a place to discuss it but I have no interest in seeing it so In conjunction with instance and community blocking, I use the filters to block any new “hot” political word or phrase that I find my feed inundated with. Once the core block list is built, adding something new is only required every other week or so to keep the feed politics-free.
The instance and community blocks do the majority of the heavy lifting but a filter list is an absolute necessity to get rid of the users that insist on injecting politics into every community they find.
If youre gonna feed the trolls, can you give me some cheetos?
Is that a baby sloth?
I’m not the sort that gushes all the time about baby animals, but that is like the cutest little thing ever. I want to squish it and pet it.
It is!
Brb gonna post this in a political community, because community rules don’t matter the other way so I should be good, right?
What are rules for if not breaking?
It wasn’t even a shower thought.
This is just as important for me, it’s a terrible fit for the Comm.
Want to post whatever the fuck you want? Join my community: It’s a Shit World! (Rules are still in place)
Huh. Can’t find it.
