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AI slop yet again!
I do fine.
True story. Email is one of the last things I’d try to host myself.
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I’m still there. I’ve always wanted to be able to offer an email service to family or friends. But, even though I’ve been doing it for a couple of decades, it’s never been stable enough to offer to them. For part of that time it’s because I didn’t really know enough of what I was doing, but the more I learned and the better I got at it, the more I started to lose the war against both spammers and against the major service providers who kept making it harder and harder to prove you’re not a spammer.
The latest one was literally issue 3. My provider splits an IPV6 /64 among multiple VPSes, when most of the world, including blocklist publishers, think a /64 is for a single “entity”. The only way to resolve it was to not use IPV6.
I knew someone online who did.
Their autism level was in a category that I’ve yet to find words for. The train people fear them.
I self-host my emails, but use an SMTP relay for sending. IMO, the interesting part of self hosting email is the storage. Outbound sending is more complex and there’s not as much benefit to self-hosting it.
I use Mailcow and have it configured to use a relay per domain. Email clients use the Mailcow server as their SMTP server, and Mailcow (well, Postfix) handles sending it to the appropriate relay.
What SMTP relay are you using ? I’m considering switching to Migadu but open to other options.
I’m currently relaying through an MXRoute account, but I’ve used SMTP2Go too and they have a decent free plan with 1000 emails per month.
I have Stalwart installed and use an SMTP relay too. I can send and receive email just fine, never had an issue with that. The only thing that doesn’t really work is the account setup (when you add your account to an email client). It doesn’t detect the settings, so I have to add them manually and I have to ignore the certificate warning but maybe I’ll get around to fixing it someday.
Your slop-pooping machine is bad at text parallax and it still looks gross
You’re a slop-pooping machine.
Don’t shame me for my IBS
This seems more like a poorly assembled template than GenAI
It is definitely both.
The tie pattern is probably the most obvious artifact, but the lighting and focus being inconsistent is what kicks off the intuitive “this is definitely GenAI” sense
The image is hypersaturated and hyperaveraged
that third one killed it for me. I hate what the Internet has become. We need to setup a second Internet that somehow can’t be monetized.
I’m locked in a contract with a company that enshittified their services a little and assigns restrictive IPs to non-Business customers that have been using port 25, but am switching to a more libre ISP as soon as it ends. I basically snoozed and didn’t realise the ISP hadn’t been rated the best for several years.
It’s called the i2p network
Correct. Come to I2P and experience 90s internet again. It’s slow but has character, if by character you understand I mean anonymous Geocities.
Honest question: is there also a boatload of sketchy stiff to avoid if you just wanted to have a nice SFW time? Early 2000s internet before Google indexed everything had some pockets of unsavory.
Also, is it just a bunch of middle aged dudes in mostly text forums? That’s like 85% of my experience with 90s internet.
To avoid? Remember when you had to go to Yahoo! Directory to find the few websites which exist? It’s like that.
I haven’t stumbled upon much sketchy stuff, you’d need to know where it is and discovery is still fairly manual though indexing services exist. Of course you need to find those services in the first place…
Anonymity is more of a focus than 90s internet, so it’s hard to tell who anyone really is but you’re probably right. There are active Russian and Iranian dissident text forums though.
However, for me, it’s the people just hosting personal websites e.g., a darkwave radio site, or a cryptography blog. Obviously the barrier to entry means it leans fairly techy.
How would you recommend someone start exploring i2p?
If you’re not yet on I2P, start with https://geti2p.net/ and then set up an I2P router. Once you’re on I2P, personally I use notbob.i2p to see what’s up.
Cool, thanks for sticking with me and explaining.
So it’s slow, barely contains anything, and near useless. Got it.
With black jack and hookers?
Mailcow internal on Debian VM.
SMTP2Go free external relay.
Have had the occasional issue after an upgrade or reboot can’t find my LetsEncrypt cert and will bork the system until I manually fix it. Perhaps my latest script update finally resolved that.
Otherwise, not that bad. Been running my own email for about 5 years or so. I don’t sign up for many outside services with it. It’s mainly for internal alerting or testing purposes but still works very well.
How do you handle backups?
The other side of email is that it has become the default identity provider for the Internet. If that VM becomes unrecoverable somehow, how would you get access to your past emails?
Personally I use addy.io (previously anonaddy). Self-hostable and an easy way to get and control your own email @
I stopped hosting my own email servers many years ago, even when I was being paid for it. Any time anyone mentions DKIM or yahoo throttling or anything of that nature I get a thousand yard stare and and start to hyperventilate. I’m sure it easier when you aren’t sending 5 million messages a month, but who needs the headache.
What kind of operation was this? That’s 170,000 emails a day!
Long ago I think it was 2006, I worked in a computer store/corporate it support that used to also be a 56k dial up isp. When i first got hired it was supposed to be like a paid internship. 2 weeks in the guy “mentoring” me was fired. Only other employees was the owner was had a PhD in information technology from 1984 and never kept up and his wife who did the accounting.
Over the next year he hired and fired probably 15 people and then decided he liked me enough to make me full time. He had no idea what he was doing and neither did I. Basically I was responsible for 8 business networks(including a 150 employee credit union), any computers a customer brought in, and our own internal network.
One day it was slow so I was browsing various web comics. The owner comes on at 1030(we opened at 900) furious with me. He claimed I was “reading a page with black text on a white background” which meant I was reading how to operate a spam business. That was his proof, a page with black text and a white background which he could not find my history.
He had received a letter from his isp that we were sending 2.5 million emails a day, we had 72 hours to resolve the issue or we were to be cut off. I argued that I didn’t run a spam operation, he had no proof and there were simpler explanations. It got so heated I quit, keep in mind I was only employee.
Next day the credit union was having a server issue and he had no one to fix it. He called me asking for me to return, I negotiated a $1 hour raise, an official written letter of apology, pay for time the previous day and that day and told him I would be back the following day.
I went in, solved the server issue(eventually found out cleaning crew was unplugging the power strip to plug in their vaccum over night and the server was configured not to restart when power returned). Went back to the office and talked with the owner. He showed me the letter and it identified 2 ip addresses as being the source. Neither was my computer and I didn’t recognize them. There was a command you could send over the terminal to open the CD tray based on ip address. I ran the command and basically walked around looking for a computer with open CD trays.
Turns out there was 2 servers, outside of our firewall directly facing the internet and yes for the memes they were originally dns servers from the 56k isp days. They were running original nt4, completely unpatched, with no security software installed and permanent outside facing ip addresses. I ran a virus scanner on it, I stopped when it detected over 100k infected files. Disconnected the servers, waited 10 minutes, called isp and effectively all email had stopped (the boss and myself both sent 1 email to confirm it was still working).
Spam farm.
Backend provider for Realtors. New listing alerts and updates on properties that potential buyers were tracking.
This is an amusing thread for me as my day job used to be unfucking postfix and exim servers daily for a fleet of vps and dedi boxes.
unfucking postfix
This is not a task for the feint of heart, nor was it ever, even back when the technology was first invented. I salute you.
Tbf most of the time you just had to clear ssd space and rebuild indices after restarting services as mostly the mail was there but stuck in queue
Given the amount of spam selfhosting your email sounds like the 7th circle of hell. Media servers should be enough, thankyouverymuch
Self hosting for years and have none of these issues, but I’m going to migrate soon and will probably be able to use this as a checklist 😐
It is great.
Mailcow protected by crowdsec, using SMTP2GO as outbound relay. No issues. I even have Addy.io running without issues.
I only allow inbound port 25. All other ports and access can only be done over WireGuard.
Best part is. My emails stay in my control on a server in Canada.
Al slop
Give it up, dude. The models that just recently came out are so good you are kidding yourself if you think you can tell them apart from photographs.
Wait, why? I thought I was generally gold at spotting these things, but here I’m struggling. The only thing that looks a little out of place to ne is the ring on his pointing hand, but that might genuinely be a dark band + shadow. What else have I missed?
The tie is the most egregious part, if you zoom in the pattern makes no sense at all.
Mostly to me it’s about the quality. Everything in focus is incredibly smooth, more so than you’d get with a normal camera or phone, while the background is blurred. This looks like a convension setting of some sort, they would’ve taken the photo with their scratched phone camera and posted it immidiately without trying to edit anything.
Also, the text is different on every board. The top 2 texts are oriented straight at the camera, while the bottom texts are angled a bit, but not angled equally. Indicating it wasn’t just copy pasted, but an attempt to get a new angle every time. This could just mean badly edited, but I’m going with AI on that part too, because someone badly editing a joke like this, would simply copy paste the first textbox after getting the angle sort of right.
highly recommend https://mailinabox.email/ for setting up and and ticking every compliance box. dmarc, spf etc
unfortunately you can be the best, most compliant host on the planet with the with a cleanest of IP’s… google is still going to randomly and silently drop your email to different email addresses. so its pretty much completely untenable for non hobby project.
fuck google so fucking hard
You should be able to clean that up with a relay on a known accepted provider. Sending out emails through Amazon SES should be reasonable without them selling your information.
Selfhosting isn’t as clean as it used to be, you pretty much have to buy some form of protection to play.
