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Aren’t farmers who are among the most conservative voters worldwide?
Hard to say. Currently it seems so, but historically, even in the US, famers are often at the forefront of socialist sentiments. Even if they look different from what one expects.
My wife said this tonight and it really hit me: China will be eating burgers and America will be eating soy
they are also eating soy and burgers.
I bet they’d love soy burgers?
What about food deserts in the USA? 🏜️
They tried exporting those, demand has been markedly lower. I think America might be stuck with em
I was actually thinking planting some vegetables and selling them to people who live in a food desert. But it’s questionable anyone would eat them unless deep fried I assume
You could start by giving some away. You’ll get people’s attention, get them used to cooking more. Then you could also put out a request for donations or volunteer farmers who’d maybe get first pick of the crop. Good way to make friends and build community. Sooner or later maybe you can start a produce stand and turn a profit, and maybe before long you’ve got enough people involved to start a regular farmer’s market. That kind of local resilience would do a lot of good.
Reading this from a non US perspective is wild. Do you guys really not cook anything?
I cook pretty much every single meal for my family from scratch, even breads. I’ve worked as a chef though, and I know what I’m doing. I’m not in the states anymore, but I know that many people who live in food deserts don’t have affordable access to fresh produce or basic staples. What I said above was tailored to people in that situation.
And this on X? Man people ARE waking up… a handful of years or two too late but still.
All bailout money is earmarked for the corporations. We need to save the banks and the auto industry! Again!! /s
Trump killed America, with massive help from American citizens and criminals.
Correction, Americans are still selling Soy to China. Just not the USA.
I hope we all like soy beans because that is going to be the only affordable thing in the grocery store.
More likely feedstock for bio-fuels, which also gives Republicans heartburn because the only proper fuel for their SUV is sucked out of the ground under pressure from toxic chemical-laced fracking mud, like the Good Lord intended.
I do! Been making and selling tempeh to my friends, also fried tofu is amazing.
Turns out the conservatives were the ones making America into soyboys all along.
Soy is great, you can make some really good-tasting, high-protein food with it for very cheap. But I’m afraid there won’t be a lot of cheap soy in grocery stores, instead those farmers will just go bankrupt.
Which is super hilarious because the same idiots who support Trump are the same idiots pushing Soy memes about how too much soy makes you gay/trans.
Except it won’t be, because without a buyer the crops are going to rot in the fields.
That’s what farm subsidies are for.
instead of government cheese we are going to have government tofu
Does that include edamame? If so, I don’t see a down side…
If only people could have seen this coming, especially the farmers who dealt with the same shit last time they elected Trump.
Sucks to suck.
If only they knew it was their own votes that bent them over the barrel.
Common clay and all that. Morons.
I think ‘morons’, while technically accurate is missing the nuance that conservative media deserts are where these voters live. They’re not on Lemmy, they’re not even on reddit. They’re on facebook and they watch Fox News. Their local paper is written by and for others who watch Fox News. That’s “the world” afatk.
The Left has zero plan to combat this, and even less money and interest in doing so.
They voted for this and it’s going exactly to plan, they just wish the plan was faster.
The plan is to remove everyone undocumented and then bring them all back as H-2A visa labor paying them pennies on the dollar.
That doesn’t make sense. Adding paperwork isn’t going to lower labor costs.
Undocumented workers are already the least paid, least protected category of worker.
They’d be switching from workers with no minimum wage to ones that have a minimum wage, need to be properly tracked by the IRS and all that.Haha, you think they are keeping the rules the same? https://www.fisherphillips.com/en/news-insights/dol-issues-game-changer-rule-for-h-2a-farmworker-wages.html
In my state undocumented farm workers make a little more than minimum wage. After this rule change they will be able to legally pay them less.
These are the two most important points of the blog or article I posted:
- DOL’s Reasoning. The DOL estimates that agricultural employers will save over $24 billion over the next 10 years as a result of these changes.
- AEWR Examples. For some states, these AEWR changes will mean that the state minimum wage will become the highest applicable wage rate for H-2A workers. For other states, the new AEWRs will be lower than the state’s minimum wage. For example, California’s statewide hourly minimum wage for most employers for 2025 is $16.50. However, the new hourly AEWR in California after applying the state’s $3.00 downward adjustment for nonmonetary compensation is $13.45 for entry-level H-2A workers in the Skill I category and $15.71 for experienced H-2A workers in the Skill Level II category.
I feel like what you’re missing is that this is lowering the floor for what you can pay visa holders, but saying that will make them preferable to people where there is no floor doesn’t follow.
I feel like you are still missing a piece of this puzzle.
It turns the migrant farm workers into almost an indentured servitude type class. Right now they demand free market wages which is often above minimum wage in that state. Once their immigration status is tied to their employer they have no ability to shop around for better pay.
So sure there is no “floor” right now, but the free market is the floor. This change might benefit some migrants who are getting bad deals currently, but overall it will harm the migrant workforce and drive labor costs down.
Without this migrant labor would get more and more expensive, as more and more people are deported.
Once their immigration status is tied to their employer they have no ability to shop around for better pay.
So why would they enter the program? They currently have demonstrated that they have no problem not having an immigration status, so why would they switch to having something that doesn’t benefit them, that they don’t want, and that costs them money?
Their goal is to make the legal path cheaper to appeal to farmers, but farmers aren’t the ones driving the price. As you said: market rate is higher than this guarantees people. If there’s a growing shortage of labor you can expect labor wages to rise. Why would you agree to work for less if you can just go to a different farm and make more?
I understand your point and the situation perfectly well.
migrant labor would get more and more expensive, as more and more people are deported.
I believe this is why you’re wrong, and farmers aren’t hoping it goes faster, but rather voted again their own interests like so many have, and just didn’t think they would specifically target their livelihoods.
A racist administration deporting people aggressively, lowering the incentives to come here legally, and not caring about the consequences, while farmers scramble to control damage they didn’t think was actually going to happen is a way simpler story. Also fits nicely with “America first” burning the ability of those farmers to sell to a global market, canceling programs that gave them money, and canceling food aid orders that mostly existed as back handed subsidies.
I think it’s better understood as many different factions with their own desires:
- Those who want raw power for the sake of power. Trump is almost certainly personally in this category. This is probably the primary motivation behind the Project 2025 stuff, tearing down the guardrails that limit their power.
- Those who are trying to enrich themselves: Trump’s family is probably here, and Trump himself and his inner circle do seem to be motivated by financial gain to some degree.
- Those who want to use the Trump administration to make the U.S. whiter by expelling non-white people and restricting immigration of brown people (while increasing white refugees admitted).
- Those who want to assert dominance of certain types of Christianity (with some internal tension on whether that extends to Catholics/Protestant/Mormon/other beliefs)
- Those who want the government to pursue business friendly policies like lower taxes and lower business regulations.
- Those who want to leverage the government’s power to win a culture war (bullying schools, libraries, Hollywood, the media, etc., into supporting right-wing cultural principles).
There is tension between all of these things, and there’s tension within the Trump coalition. The business interests and the immigration hardliners jockey for position with Trump and his inner circle. The religious groups and the war hawks and the cryptocurrency scammers are all trying to advance their own agenda, too.
Not everything is going to make coherent sense. Not every idea is going to win, either. And if anything, the business side of things is less powerful than in the typical administration with several areas that are actively hostile to traditional Republican business interests (immigration, tariffs, pardoning securities fraudsters, shaking down corporations for donations or tribute).
It’s important to recognize the tensions because those are also weak spots in their coalition. Defeating fascism will involve fomenting some internal tensions and peeling off different factions.
Lol.
The plan is slave labour
Gotta close that prison loophole.
Ok, ultra corrupt and all, but at least from environmental pov (especially water) killing soy where USA grew it en masse is a really good thing afaik.
It was too forced & unsustainable.I dont know if country’s in south America are filling the gap the US created, but if yes its probably much worse than farming in the US.
I once had the chance to hear a lecture from a Brazilian professor about how soy gets grown in Brasil and that shit was terrifying. Slavery like working conditions. Corruption, massive landgrabs, insane use of pesticides (they literally used to apply them with airplanes until it got banned due to health “concerns” (it actively destroys your health) for the civilians) and mono cultures all the way through. It was very informative, but fucking scary. Due to the fact that massive sizes of land are not really listed and nobody owns them. So farmers are literally creating their own documents, that say they own certain land, put them in a drawer with crickets, so the paper looks older than it is, go to the local government and surprise, they now own even more land.
Very true.
Tho that is true for any industry in such countries.And it’s not like fairly similar things don’t happen in USA farming.
So farmers are literally creating their own documents, that say they own certain land, put them in a drawer with crickets, so the paper looks older than it is
Wait, what?
USA: “let’s try beef instead”
Well, I mean, if the price skyrockets & the purchasing power keeps falling finally y’all gonna get into veggie patties. Non-soy veggie patties (which sux anyways).
Another nail for the coffin of US society. Keep it going USA you can do it.
Dear US Farmers, You wanted America First… Enjoy being America Alone. Have the day you voted for.
kind regards, The rest of the world
Trump is bankrupting America like he bankrupted all of his businesses.
I couldn’t believe how many people don’t realize that a country literally CANNOT be run as a business.
It can, but it doesn’t mean it will be good or useful at all lol but I get what you’re saying. Government is for people, business is for profit. People and profit are not compatible as the purpose of the entity. Just look at the US Healthcare “Industry” for the most glaring example of this.
That’s one way to get the farms into the hands of billionaires for cheap.
This was the goal all along. They want all that land in the hands of private equity. The farmers can lease it back if they want to try again. Serfdom.
So the us is just going full Great Depression again huh?
