Toot link; transcript:
Greta Thunberg could have, by now, carved out a very comfortable life for herself as a liberal grifter-celebrity offering platitudes about personal responsibility at Davos. Instead she connected the dots between ecocide, capital, and empire, aiming squarely at the heart of the beast. And now fresh out of captivity she downplays her own suffering to recenter the urgency of aid to the Palestinian people. No wonder she’s hated by the fascist+lib coalition that rules this world.
Author: JP (@[email protected])
Does anybody know how she pays for groceries?
The fact is, these days you do need to have some money coming in to just survive. Maybe she gets a salary as part of Fridays for future? Maybe she gets personal donations? Maybe she still lives with her parents?
It’s that need to eat that drives people who have the opportunity into being grifter-celebs because they often don’t see a way to keep doing what they’re doing without finding something that pays the bills.
Sweden is generally quite liberal with state support, and she is really young (graduated highschool in 2023) and has a good relationship with her parents. It’s possible she gets some kind of money through her activism, but she certainly doesn’t depend on it to feed herself.
Grifting implies she isn’t doing what she’s doing for a cause, but for personal financial gain. And from all that I’ve seen there’s no reason to think she’s just paying lip-service to her beliefs.
Did you think I said she was grifting or something?
You’re literally saying the need to eat drives people to be grifters. Right after asking how she gets the food on the table. Someone who wants others to think she’s a grifter would use those exact words.
Yes, I’m identifying an issue in the current capitalist-dominated world, where if you want to survive, you need to do something that someone will give you money for. Unfortunately, for a lot of people, grifting is the easiest way to do that. I’m not saying she did it, clearly she didn’t. I’m saying that there has to be pressure for someone like her to do it because you need to eat sometimes.
Only an idiot would think that.
Only an idiot would be in complete denial on how others perceive their words.
Only an idiot would be proud of misreading someone else’s words, rather than embarrassed.
At no point did I misread what you wrote. You literally asked how she can pay for groceries. You literally said the need to eat drives people who have opportunity into being grifter-celebs. I merely pointed out how those sentences can be misinterpreted as sometime implying she’s a grifter. Now you could be a normal person and acknowledge that not only can it be misinterpreted but, based on the downvotes, it was misinterpreted, but you’re hellbent on being infallible. So feel free to continue barking back, all it does is prove that you are an idiot who is in complete denial.
Yes…
Yes…
Do you see the contrast there?
Let me show you some more examples.
I know some that farmers can eat a lot of the food they grow. Josh isn’t a farmer, so how does he manage to eat? Do you think that suggests that Josh is, secretly, a farmer? Or can you understand that I’m contrasting Josh, who isn’t a farmer with someone who is a farmer?
Some people get big muscles because they do manual labour. But, Dwayne Johnson doesn’t do manual labour, how does he manage to have such big muscles? Now, am I implying here that Dwayne is actually doing manual labour? Or am I saying “in contrast with this other group, it isn’t obvious how he does it”?
Only by morons.
Something can be said implicitly without ever stating it plain speech.
Hunger does not cause greed and ambition, it just drives the desire to eat. It is one’s own choices that determine whether their goals are selfish or selfless.
Ok, well you completely misread what I said then.
As someone who was more an activist before my health declined, I’ll answer.
You don’t.
You don’t eat, and when you can eat, you do. Food luckily doesn’t cost much if you’re eating only for survival. Shelter is cheaper if you’re always on the move and work together as a community.
Sometimes I’d do a labor pay job to make a bit more to cover essentials, but ultimately the community is how you survive. You don’t live in luxury, but you survive.
And not once, not at my poorest of lowest, would I ever fucking take a grifting position. I’d rather starve than do that, and have.
Of course, years of shit showed me people like Greta is only half the solution. You need the saints out there to help the ones being killed, ostracized, and tortured.
But that alone won’t ever be enough, and will just be co-opted by those in power to create an illusion that something is being done.
Violence, specifically very targeted violence, will also be needed. But I don’t think most humans have it in them. We’ve become too pacified by bread and circuses - made so comfortable in poverty and oppression that it doesn’t matter what the atrocities are or what is being done to your fellow person, they’ll just continue as is long term for the most part.
So much so people like you think it’s fucking acceptable to grift to “eat”. Thievery would be more honerable at this point than that, considering how many of the rich control the food supply anyway. There’s so much we don’t actually need, that we spend on too, because it pacifies the despair, anger, frustration, depression and so on from the state of affairs on earth. I for one say let it flow, because then you might actually do something about it, whether taking the peaceful route or the one of actual justice.
What is it that makes you believe I think it’s acceptable? I think it’s a common outcome because of how society works, but tell me why you think I approve?
Some people actually have principles and are willing to suffer rather than harm others. Don’t make excuses for grifters.
Who’s making excuses for grifters?
You. “It’s that need to eat that drives people who have the opportunity into being grifter-celebs…” Being a selfish sack of shit is what drives people to take advantage of others.
I did not read it as an excuse. They literally pointed it out that greed is creating grifter-celebs.
IDK what’s up with the downvotes, I think that’s a good question.
Most people her age probably can’t afford to dedicate even just the time required to pull off something like this. And yeah, it doesn’t look like she’s exactly living in luxury out there but you still gotta eat from time to time.
My best guess is personal donations from people invested in the cause. Apart from the boat, it probably doesn’t even take a huge amount of cash to survive out there. About a grand a month seems fairly realistic.
She has parents who take care of her.
Wow. Imagine that, eh?
What is it that they’re doing then, though?
I’m sure they tell themselves they’re still advocating for the cause they believe in. They can probably justify tailoring the message a bit so that they don’t offend whoever’s paying them. But, they think they’re still more or less on message, and now someone’s helping them get the message out.
I don’t think most of them go into it thinking “I’m going to sell out now”. I think it’s more of a gradual process where they accept some money they desperately need to lend their credibility to a person or a company that needs help polishing their reputation. Then, over time, they just sell out a little more and a little more.