No, it’s just that you made a few claims without any backing sources. Since you asserted a claim against the influence altogether and are a self confessed irritated person, i felt some backings sources would be useful.
Constitutional convention members such as Benjamin Franklin were very familiar with the Haudenosaunee Confederacy nations and their founding principles. He reviewed Cadwallader’s The history of the five Indian nations depending on the province of New-York in America, and he wrote the article, “Short Hints Towards a Scheme for Uniting the Northern Colonies.” Franklin wrote to his printing partner, James Parker, “It would be a very strange Thing, if [the] Six Nations… should be capable of forming a Scheme for such an Union, and be able to execute it in such a Manner, as that it has subsisted Ages, and appears indissoluble; and yet that a like Union should be impracticable for ten or a Dozen English Colonies, to whom it is more necessary, and must be more advantageous.” He worked on the Albany Plan of Union and members of the Haudenosaunee Confederacy attended the Albany Congress, where members of northern colonies discussed forming a general council for their common defense.
I apologize that you would have had to click that and go offsite to review.
It might be difficult for someone who is actively engaging their irritated side.
As it’s easier to spout off a full paste from an article instead of actually reading - here’s a part I’d like to call your attention to:
Sorry that you didn’t even click the fucking link I provided, otherwise you’d realize it wasn’t even close to ‘the full article’. Sorry that providing the relevant material in a quote was still too much effort for you to read - or beyond your capabilities.
I’m also sorry that you think Ben Franklin saying “The Iriquois formed a union, why can’t we?” is some fundamental form of influence on the structure of the US government.
Wikipedia is a reliable single source in academic circles now?
I spent more time than college professors will on the wikipedia article.
… you do fucking realize that college professors tell you that Wiki is unacceptable as a citation for the same reason that they tell you Britannica is unacceptable as a citation, right? That encyclopedias are not suitable citations for academic papers?
Thanks for admitting both that you don’t understand the actual position of academics on encyclopedias and that you didn’t actually read the quoted excerpt from the article, though, I guess. Especially considering that you yourself cited wiki with regards to the Sullivan Expedition.
As you didn’t read the blog post
I’m sorry that projection is the only tool you have. I hope you get better.
The government stated in U.S. Senate Concurrent Resolution 331, passed in 1988: This non-binding resolution officially acknowledged the historical debt of the United States Constitution to the Iroquois Confederacy. It states that “the confederation of the original Thirteen Colonies into one republic was influenced by the political system developed by the Iroquois Confederacy as were many of the democratic principles which were incorporated into the Constitution itself.”
Your own wikipedia page cites the fact that women weren’t primarily accounted for in the new government as something special. That was largely a ‘feature’ of european society.
I’m glad the evidence is settled 100% and all the historical record is settled according to you and the sources you’ve cited. Hint:It’s not.
Thanks for admitting both that you don’t understand the actual position of academics on encyclopedias and that you didn’t actually read the quoted excerpt from the article, though, I guess. Especially considering that you yourself cited wiki with regards to the Sullivan Expedition.
I’m sorry that projection is the only tool you have. I hope you get better. And I’m sorry that you’re so disappointed that I actually read the sources you provided, including the Britannica source which said nothing that actually backed your claims up, but I’m sure ‘looked’ authoritative at a glance to you.
You mentioned that you’re an irritated person, this conversation has run its course.
I’ve provided a direct source from the U.S. Senate and made a few points that have been overlooked. It feels like the irritation is now driving the discussion more than the facts are.
Let’s ignore that the cited historians have a clear bias against competing civilizations and entire swaths of native american history was destroyed or ignored, as we have and continue to do. Are you sure you’re a leftist?
I didn’t dispute the Sullivan Expedition. Sorry that your reading comprehension is so sub-par.
No, it’s just that you made a few claims without any backing sources. Since you asserted a claim against the influence altogether and are a self confessed irritated person, i felt some backings sources would be useful.
As it’s easier to spout off a full paste from an article instead of actually reading - here’s a part I’d like to call your attention to: https://blogs.loc.gov/law/2023/09/the-haudenosaunee-confederacy-and-the-constitution/
Constitutional convention members such as Benjamin Franklin were very familiar with the Haudenosaunee Confederacy nations and their founding principles. He reviewed Cadwallader’s The history of the five Indian nations depending on the province of New-York in America, and he wrote the article, “Short Hints Towards a Scheme for Uniting the Northern Colonies.” Franklin wrote to his printing partner, James Parker, “It would be a very strange Thing, if [the] Six Nations… should be capable of forming a Scheme for such an Union, and be able to execute it in such a Manner, as that it has subsisted Ages, and appears indissoluble; and yet that a like Union should be impracticable for ten or a Dozen English Colonies, to whom it is more necessary, and must be more advantageous.” He worked on the Albany Plan of Union and members of the Haudenosaunee Confederacy attended the Albany Congress, where members of northern colonies discussed forming a general council for their common defense.
I apologize that you would have had to click that and go offsite to review.
It might be difficult for someone who is actively engaging their irritated side.
Sorry that you didn’t even click the fucking link I provided, otherwise you’d realize it wasn’t even close to ‘the full article’. Sorry that providing the relevant material in a quote was still too much effort for you to read - or beyond your capabilities.
I’m also sorry that you think Ben Franklin saying “The Iriquois formed a union, why can’t we?” is some fundamental form of influence on the structure of the US government.
Wikipedia is a reliable single source in academic circles now? I spent more time than college professors will on the wikipedia article.
As you didn’t read the blog post or its sources here’s another excerpt:
Many say that the United States, one of the oldest continuous democracies in the world drew influence for its constitution and governmental structure from an even older democracy, the Haudenosaunee Confederacy.
It’s ok to update your opinion.
… you do fucking realize that college professors tell you that Wiki is unacceptable as a citation for the same reason that they tell you Britannica is unacceptable as a citation, right? That encyclopedias are not suitable citations for academic papers?
Thanks for admitting both that you don’t understand the actual position of academics on encyclopedias and that you didn’t actually read the quoted excerpt from the article, though, I guess. Especially considering that you yourself cited wiki with regards to the Sullivan Expedition.
I’m sorry that projection is the only tool you have. I hope you get better.
We’re done here.
You argued that it’s settled pop history myth.
The government stated in U.S. Senate Concurrent Resolution 331, passed in 1988: This non-binding resolution officially acknowledged the historical debt of the United States Constitution to the Iroquois Confederacy. It states that “the confederation of the original Thirteen Colonies into one republic was influenced by the political system developed by the Iroquois Confederacy as were many of the democratic principles which were incorporated into the Constitution itself.”
Your own wikipedia page cites the fact that women weren’t primarily accounted for in the new government as something special. That was largely a ‘feature’ of european society.
I’m glad the evidence is settled 100% and all the historical record is settled according to you and the sources you’ve cited. Hint:It’s not.
Guess it is done then.
You mentioned that you’re an irritated person, this conversation has run its course.
I’ve provided a direct source from the U.S. Senate and made a few points that have been overlooked. It feels like the irritation is now driving the discussion more than the facts are.
Let’s ignore that the cited historians have a clear bias against competing civilizations and entire swaths of native american history was destroyed or ignored, as we have and continue to do. Are you sure you’re a leftist?
There’s no productive way forward from here.
Have a day.
You gave him links as proof he’s wrong, he called you a moron, and then left. Ain’t he such a good and smart dude?