# The Mythology Of The White Proletariat from Mayflower to Modern
https://archive.org/details/Settlers_201801
mythical utopia
This 100%
I’ve seen a lot of things about America. I’ve seen these claims, over and over, but the contents of those claims? Rarely. I see the claims in practice in many countries, but never in the US.
It’s always screaming freedum, yet the only “freedoms” Americans ever had were guns, cars, and yelling insults
And pushing their interests onto the rest of the world
I had a Chinese colleague of mine say America is a paradise for women. I’ve never been to China, so I’m not sure what to compare it to.
Common rhetorical trick of authoritarians to equate love of the country with love of the regime. The two are in no way related and frequently at odds.
Well I hate America.
Except our slaves and the savage natives.
Time to small pox and syphilis the next “mix of people” and call it home😇/s
It’s that time of year again:
Remember to talk to your kids about Christopher Columbus. The story they are getting from school is incomplete white-wash revisionist history.
Not saying to teach your 1st graders about rape and pillage, but, ya know, make sure they know he’s not a peachy hero.
Especially if you are Italian-American. We really are the worst with the Columbus worship.
Christopher Columbus went to hurt the Natives!
On behalf of the Empires in Europe, they killed, enslaved, and poisoned many until the Natives lost their rights!
America is one of the few countries where equal rights and opportunity is a fundamental belief. MAGA could just as easily go to another country if they don’t like that.
The US doesnt even crack the top 20 in the Human Rights Index my dude.
it was 100% never a belief. it was always propaganda. source? ask any native american. or descendant of a slave. or descendant of an irish immigrant. or mexian person. or poor person.
In the Deceleration of Independence it states that “All men are created equal” and have certain rights like life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. In practice, sure, things are different.
neat. propaganda written is still propaganda. heck it took literally more than a century for AMENDMENTS (ie: changes) to be written and agreed upon. Heck it took shutting down a terrorist organization in the process.
stop pretending america was ever a good idea.
Except the slaves and “negros.” You really are brainwashed by colonist propaganda.
The belief in equality is what ultimately lead to slaves being free, right? The country was founded on the belief that all men are created equal as a goal to achieve, not a statement of how things were.
But you are right, it was hypocrisy to say that and have it not apply to everyone.
no. use of appropriate violence lead to the slaves being free*. you cannot vote away slavery, fascism, and other facets capitalists use to keep hold of their control and profits.
- and they’re still not free. just locked up in for profit prisons. see a theme here?
no. use of appropriate violence lead to the slaves being free
… by a massive state apparatus that was elected by people who believed in abolition.
Jesus Christ. Dogmatic thinking that would make a religious fanatic blush.
sure, elected. that’s a consistent facet - and elections happened on the confederate side too.
the fix was, and has been shown throughout all history, not voting harder. it was violence.
elected except for people like John Brown. but you go ahead and keep thinking voting harder is what “fixed” the confederacy.
The belief in equality is what ultimately lead to slaves being free, right?
Yikes no. The North wanted to seize the South’s capital which was slavery. If you emancipated their capital (free exploitable labour), the South would have no economic power. The Union was well aware forcing emancipation would criple the Confederates purchasing power, thus taxation without representation would ultimately relent. The civil war was fought exactly because Confederates knew taxation was theft. The Union wanted to steal even more without formal presentation what taxes would be used for.
Jesus fucking Christ.
Was also crucified by merchants in the Church.
Is this what libertarians propagandize now, that Abraham Lincoln freed his slaves because he utterly believed his slaves had rights?
You may want to go reread some of those declarations of secession by assorted states…. There’s a lot of “it’s our God given right to own humans as property” in them. But also you believe taxation equals theft so who even knows man.
M8, the Union kept slaves even after the Union won. The last slave was freed in 1943. The Civil war was an economic war. Just like the colonists looking for gold, land, and liberty from the empires.
I am sad you were never taught the true history of the US. Everyone has always known taxes are theft. Confederates only wanted to know what the taxes would be used for. Unionists didn’t care to say, and for what. Confederates were correct to be cautious, because they lost both their capital, and their rights.
Now you have a federal government that is more powerful than individual states.And I hope now you comprehend why Donald Trump can trample Blue States’ sovereignty.
Written while slavery existed, to just mention one example. What it teaches is that the US was build on lies and hypocrisy if nothing else.
propaganda*
slaves and natives didn’t have much opportunities in the colonies.
One of the few? Sounds like you have not been abroad much or suffer from “American exceptionalism”.
I thought for many other countries equality wasn’t a foundational belief, it was adopted later after the country was formed.
Hum hum… “Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité”. Fuck off, American exceptionalist.
“When the country was formed” is quite vague. Most European countries have constitutions with the same principles:
https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_gg/index.html
https://wetten.overheid.nl/BWBR0001840/2023-02-22
If your argument is that this wasn’t always the case “before the country was formed” this holds for the US as well before it was united or still native American tribes.
One could argue that when they adopted them they became a new country or at least a new form of their country allowing them to lay new foudations.
Kinda an unfair comparison when most other countries were created in antiquity.
… not really? Most countries were created in modernity or early modernity, and almost all of them have deep ethnic and linguistic roots.
The USA was founded on a few idealistic scraps of paper.
We can argue whether that helps or hurts, but it is unusual in world history.
Seems you’re skipping forward to the current founding of the united states, which was ~1776.
The us constitution was modeled after the local Haudenosaunee Confederacy population’s government.
They were finally ousted by white (terrorist) settlers during the Sullivan-clinton campaign.
Seems you’re skipping forward to the current founding of the united states, which was ~1776.
… considering that there was no ‘United States’ prior to 1776, this seems a pretty natural position to take.
The us constitution was modeled after the local Haudenosaunee Confederacy population’s government.
This is a pop history myth.
I don’t think you should just trust me about the Sullivan-Clinton atrocities either, unlike your claims.
https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/the-clinton-sullivan-campaign-of-1779.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sullivan_Expedition
https://www.amrevmuseum.org/read-the-revolution/memory-wars
The Clinton-Sullivan Campaign of 1779
Nice comic, bad attitude OP.
This is a pop history myth.
Since you relied on your ‘trust me because I post a lot’ position in responding (you are making it up off the cuff);
Here’s some additional details about what you allege is a myth:
Library of Congress Blog Post: https://blogs.loc.gov/law/2023/09/the-haudenosaunee-confederacy-and-the-constitution/
Britannica post regarding the Confederacy: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Haudenosaunee-Confederacy
Do click in there if you doubt that there’s a plethora of backing information.
Why lie or feign ignorance? Is this to further the point? Doesn’t it function without the lies?
The current nation’s founding is rooted in several theories of antiquity and the ground they occupy had centuries of similar government.
That’s not an unfair comparison, it’s literally the point. I swear, we need all internet access locked behind reading comprehension tests.
So then, what actual difference does it make? So many other countries have adopted the same principles. What real world difference does it make that the US adopted them (in theory but not in practice) at conception?
I guess I just dont understand the point of your original comment.
It wasn’t me, and I sincerely doubt you’re capable of reaching understanding even if you weren’t bound and determined not to understand.
Solid copout. I like the touch of arrogance while doing nothing to earn it.
