• MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip
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    12 days ago

    If you want to be a good person (go to heaven (how selfish)), just don’t be an ass to people. Especially to people you don’t know.

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      12 days ago

      Transcription for those who need it:

      Matthew 5:43-48 New International Version

      Love for Enemies You have heard that it was said “Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.” But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

    • lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com
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      12 days ago

      Did that have to be an image of text that breaks accessibility, searchability, and fault tolerance for no compelling reason while making the web less usable?

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        Do you always ask rhetorical questions in response to the way a person presented their discussion rather than the substance of what they were discussing?

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        The system hasn’t changed much since then. That’s why Jesus is still popular. Everybody still hates rich people, the state, etc.

      • RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz
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        Publicani were really hated. Roman Empire had a tax farming system where private individuals paid the taxes in certain area out of their own pocket and then tried to make a profit by collecting the taxes from that area to themselves. Made it so that the state didn’t have to concern itself with the actual collection and got a guaranteed sum. But it also made it so that it was beneficial to the publicani to try and squeeze as much taxes out of the people to either not have loss or to have maximum profit. Though the term publican covers more than just tax collectors.

        Apostle Matthew was a publican.

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    12 days ago

    They will usually respond with “hate the sin not the sinner” or something like that, idk but never give good reason why being LGBTQ is a sin

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      12 days ago

      “A revolting bit of casuistry,” as Christopher Hitchens put it. The problem this justification is that homosexuality is what people are and not what they do, and hating someone’s inherent and immutable trait is the same as hating the person themselves.

    • FishFace@lemmy.world
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      12 days ago

      Well a lot of people professing to be Christians could do a lot better at loving LGBT people than they are doing right now, so I say take them up on that.

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    12 days ago

    Suddenly, Republican Christians: “You can’t just take quotes from the Bible out of context and apply them to your argument! 😠”

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      Trust me, it’s mostly Christians taking them out of context and denying clear statements. For example, Charlie Kirk spun: ‘but what did the original word for slave mean in the Bible’. Well context actually defines the word for us:

      Leviticus 25: 44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

      I’ve never seen a Christian effectively argue context by showing context (as above).

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        12 days ago

        Trust me, it’s mostly Christians taking them out of context and denying clear statements.

        That’s pretty much exactly what I was getting at

  • don@lemmy.ca
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    12 days ago

    Jesus fucking himself christ, pastor, really good job there, dipshit. Pure brilliance.

  • shawn1122@sh.itjust.works
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    The Muscular Christianity movement of the mid 19th century really took issue with this. Back then church attendance was 4:1 women to men and manly men were having trouble maintaining interest because Jesus’ message was “too loving and gentle” so not very manly. They started redefining Christianity according to “manly” virtues, particularly they kicked all the women out of their administrative roles in church, started building sporting complexes next to churchs and reframed the old thinking of physical vigor being a form of vanity to instead being a sign of moral and spiritual excellence.

    I’m not kidding but they even changed the appearance of Jesus, commissioning art work where he was depicted with broader shoulders and a more defined chest, signalling readiness for action.

    Modern toxic masculinity is a “despiritualized” adaptation of Muscular Christianity.

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      Which is kind of funny, as some would say Jews of Old Testament times were expecting their coming messiah or king to be some kind of military leader. One who might lead them against the oppression of the Romans. Maybe kind of like Moses.

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    As far as the Bible goes, John was good. Great opening, and an overarching theme of “just be nice”.

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            12 days ago

            ngl if “be nice” is woke then i dont want to be anything elss

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              Sometimes I think there’s no way someone could miss how sarcastic I’m being. And yet every time I’m proved wrong.

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                  Normally I would agree but the brutality and whiplash like nature of the comment definitely has some dark humor to it. I was thrown off at first till I realized the context of them roleplaying as “Brandon” from the image. It’s crass, but checks out as an attempt for me. Then again, I applaud people who are willing to be downvoted for a good well-hidden joke (the whole woosh thing).

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                The problem is that there are people who are stupid enough to actually have the opinions you are trying to sarcastically show.

                They also tend to be the loud ones who will post everywhere, so it’s far more likely that a really stupid opinion is real than sarcastic.

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                  12 days ago

                  The problem is that there are people who are stupid enough to actually have the opinions you are trying to sarcastically show.

                  Corrected.

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    12 days ago

    Show me where in the bible Jesus ever said to place actual laws of government preventing anything LGBTQ+ from taking place

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    Attempting to use the bible as a source for good just doesn’t work because they are always exceptions and hateful rhetoric in other bible chapters they can point to.

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      Or they can wholesale just make shit up like all the evangelical rapture crap. Hell, look at even the constitution and how that’s been stretched and colored for all of the anti-progressive rhetoric in the past.

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      Even when I was a religious child, I still found contradictions in the bible. But, as you know, when you were a young naive child like everyone of us and found something odd, we’re told to ignore it and just don’t think about it.

    • BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world
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      When someone uses the Bible to justify their hate or bigotry, it’s very easy to throw back in their face. They never believed any of it — especially not anything that radical leftist Jesus taught — it’s a tool that represents whatever they want for their manipulative, selfish, self-centered purposes. What is written there doesn’t matter. It never did.