The MAGA fucks swing back and forth from Fascism to Communism.
None of them stand behind anything but money.
I recently cut a new friend from my life, went from normal seeming dude to full trumpism, I guess I just didn’t see it before. Told him I don’t associate with trump supporters and blocked his number. He said he shouldn’t have brought up politics.
No man, be proud of the shit you believe in, don’t hide it! You voted for hatred, stand behind it! It’s everyone else that’s wrong!
Fuck em. Stand up for what you believe in and either receive the hatred happily or reevaluate why you’re getting shit on. Being a decent human doesn’t cost much at all.
Fascism also implies state control of the economy, so nah this is very in line with historical fascist states.
The Fascist conception of the State is all-embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism is totalitarian, and the Fascist State–a synthesis and a unit inclusive of all values–interprets, develops, and potentiates the whole life of a people.
Fascism is definitely and absolutely opposed to the doctrines of liberalism, both in the political and economic sphere. (p. 32)
The Fascist State lays claim to rule in the economic field no less than in others; it makes its action felt throughout the length and breadth of the country by means of its corporate, social, and educational institutions, and all the political, economic, and spiritual forces of the nation, organised in their respective associations, circulate within the State. (p. 41).
-Mussolini https://politicalresearch.org/2005/01/12/mussolini-corporate-state
Indeed, Mussolini was the Little Austrian Corporal’s mentor. The German worker was making less than they did during the Great Depression. MAGA will do the same in the USA.
Does not get you control, this is just the government giving money to big corporations which is perfectly in line with actual capitalism (as.practiced, not the fairy tale version).
Real capitalists will also have no problem with the government taking over a failing company, paying off it’s debts and later selling it at a loss to them.
Government ownership over industry where they do have direct control would still be capitalism though, as long as commodity production, wage labor and markets exist, since that’s what actually defines it. Ownership alone isn’t relevant.
Technically you could still have commodity production, wage labor, and markets under other systems such as under market socialism and various forms of anarchism that use markets as an economic driver.
Calling a system something else doesn’t make it different, all of these are still fundamentally capitalist. Production remains commodity-based and mediated by markets, labor power stays commodified and exploitative (if not via capitalists, then via the state apparatus or the markets), wealth accumulation remains in place leading to inevitable snowballing monopolies and wealth gaps, etc.
Only by fundamentally changing what things are produced for and how the goods are distributed (for example, instead of for profit we produce for use to fill people’s needs) only then does the system overcome capitalism.
I mean yeah, he’s doing what leftists could only dream of, he’s destroying American imperialism
The point was to spread it to the whole world. Mission Accomplished!
If you were paying attention during the Cold War when the US was overthrowing democratic governments and installing fascist dictators you would have already known.
The war is over there is no need for central control anymore. Welcome to your fascist world.
MAGA Communism vindicated
From my post elsewhere in response to Trump’s post.
That’s socialism, right? Maybe not because the workers won’t own the means of production, the government will. Which is communism. Well 10% communism? Well, starting out at the introductory rate of 10%. I’m sure that Trump will demand more in the future.
Remember when Republicans talked about the free market, government not picking winners and losers, free trade, etc? They are being conspicuously silent on the government taking over part of a major company. Imagine if Obama started buying stakes in companies? You don’t have to. The federal reserve did it via quantitative easing during the 2008 crash. They pumped trillions into companies to keep them afloat during Obama’s term and the Republicans that knew about it had a hissy fit. But they are all quiet now. Nothing to say. It’s okay for the government to have a little corporate ownership as a treat. Even though they called it fascism for years.
That’s socialism, right?
The Marxist definition of socialism is that the government owns the means of production. That definition prevailed during the Cold War when you had such socialist countries. Communism is a utopian state which is promised to come after socialism. It’s the system of a post-scarcity society where you don’t have property because everything is abundant. The state withers away because it is no longer needed. Basically, it’s a society like in Star Trek. In Marxist thought, the development is: feudalism->capitalism->socialism->communism
Of course, it’s not wrong using the term “socialism” more loosely.
Under any definition it is most definitely not something that would have been acceptable to most Republicans if done by a Democrat.
Yeah. It’s pretty funny. It made me think of some of the rather conservative takes that are passed off as leftism on lemmy, which is how I got the title. Of course, meddling in the economy is straight fascism, too, of course. I really wish I had chosen something else now.
Welcome to horseshoe theory
Fascists calling eachother communists like this on Twitter while working class people cheer them on for being so funny is just not the future I envisioned or wanted.
I don’t have many nice things to say about Newsom but let’s not dilute the word fascist into a generic insult eh?
I mean, there are non-fascist neoliberals out there, but this shit is just fascism. If it can happen to the homeless, it can happen to anyone.
That’s just liberal bullshit, not fascism.
There are plenty of NIMBY democrats as evidence by all the Dems who are treating Newsom as the second coming of Christ and the presumptive 2028 nominee, despite his disgusting practices Vis-à-vis the homeless.
Fascism is a Far Right, Authortarian, and Ultranationalist ideology that combines a militaristic autocracy, forcible suppression of decent, and a racist social order. By using the term as if it means ‘things we hate’, then it waters down the actual definition and gives MAGAts who constantly try to turn the word around on us ammunition.
Call it gross, call it late stage capitalism, call it vile, disgusting, cruel, short sighted. Call it sweeping the problem under the rug, call out liberals for supporting it. All of those things are true. It’s not fascism though.
Newsom isn’t great but he’s leagues ahead of the small fingered vulgarian. I’m not going to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. He’s going to get my vote if he runs.
Are you a liberal?
If not, why wouldn’t you throw your support behind a leftist or progressive candidate at least until the primaries are over? I am 100% for not letting perfect be the enemy of the good, but I am also against letting mediocrity be the enemy of the good.
Because the next step is more important that the perfect step. Sander’s and people like him can’t win right now. I want to support progress and sometimes that means smaller steps.
- Mamdani wins election
- AOC wins election
- Sawant wins election
- Walton wins election
- Sanders has to have a primary rigged to keep him from winning an election
- Sanders polls better in Red states that Trump and Hillary
Sander’s and people like him can’t win right now
Unless someone better takes the place first. If newsom’s all we get then that’s what I’ll vote for because of how our voting system works, but I have faith that a good quality primary will bring a better candidate to the limelight
Spoiler alert: it will not.
Let me have my positivity while it doesn’t count.
“He’s not perfect” is such a weird way to describe someone whose policies are literally killing people just in his home state. Where and when are we going to draw the line on this shit?
What? Do something else so that a petty despot like the small fingered vulgarian can win again? Seriously.
Remember when Biden got in and it stopped fascism?
I’m not diluting the word, I’m using the classical definition of it.
What do you think the classical definition is?
He made being unhoused illegal.
While I like him mocking trump I still don’t like him.
Him or JD Vance though?
Can we please not start advocating for the lesser of two evils before the primaries even happen? There is still time to get someone who isn’t actually evil the nomination FFS! If it comes down to him or Vance I will reluctantly vote for him- we are not there yet.
Just because you can’t see the writing on the wall doesn’t mean it’s not there. Maybe their won’t be an election? The big old orange trump needs to flush to where he has earned.
I also think Trump will try to block/dodge further elections. What does that have to do with Newsom or JD Vance?
Yeah… im gonna need a source on that claim, please.
Because this link here says stuff about increasing shelters and making it easier to build tiny homes in CA.
So he didn’t make it illegal. He is just cleaning encampments.
There is a very large difference between the two.
Do you know what cleaning an encampment means? They are not sweeping up and and making it look nice.
Everyone is kicked out. Any belongings they are unable to carry out get tossed.
Oh no, that’s where you are wrong.
They are indeed sweeping it up and making it look nice, in contrast to the piles of garbage and broken tents.
Basically made it illegal to own anything or have any sort of living space when you’re homeless, and didn’t create more shelters.
Look my dude i can probably do this all day.
Just tell me youre trapped in your tiny internet bubble and call it a day.
https://www.gov.ca.gov/2024/01/18/homekey-hits-milestone-15000-homes-created-since-program-began/
Ya. Honestly, I’m getting pretty close to being done with Lemmy at this point. The way to fight extremism is not with different extremism. Between the hyper purity test Leftists, and the AI=evil absolutists, it feels like there’s never any room for constructive discussion anymore. If I even ask a clarifying question about someone’s views, even one that I could potentially be swayed towards, the response always comes back as some variation of “You’re one of them aren’t you!”
I like Tildes for more nuanced conversations. It has the reply box all the way at the bottom of threads, which is a subtle discouragement of replying before reading the existing comments. It’s also just smaller and slower paced. It’s not immune to pile-on bubble-views, but it’s significantly toned down.
There is no such thing as “leftist extremism” especially in the united states. It’s also not “purity testing” to want to not kill homeless and trans people.
Show us where and how that’s happening in CA then.
Or yes Newsom’s widespread destruction of homeless camps surely has no consequences on that community and his support of transphobic rhetoric surely doesn’t contribute to massive trans suicide and murder rates how could I think otherwise? /S
So what youre saying is you can’t provide evidence and are only relying on your feelings?
Crazy.
No here’s evidence
https://calmatters.org/housing/homelessness/2024/02/homeless-mortality-report/
https://sfstandard.com/2024/03/03/homeless-people-dying/
https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/transpop-suicide-press-release/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11244576/
I could post thousands about high rates of homeless deaths in California are and how Newsom’s policies make that worse and how high trans suicide rates are and how that is cause largely by transphobia and how newsom contributes to that.
You proved his point, arguing against his point.
That’s some real lack of self awareness.
What point of his did I “prove”?
That your vapid contrarianism in willful ignorance of his the commenter’s thesis is yet another example of the self-righteous, performative and banal virtue signalling infecting communications in this age at every level, in every medium, from every side.
It’s feeding the philosophical and metaphysical simulacra created by techno-feudalists that provide the foundation to rule with impunity.
If “perfect is the enemy of good”, the billionaires want the slaves performing purity tests of all varieties to distract from a common goal.
hyper purity test Leftists, and the AI=evil absolutists
IMPURE LEFTISTS BAD, AI BAD
UPVOTES NOW OR YOU’RE ONE OF THEM
ain’t rigid, overzealous thinking great?
Fuck Newsom, but his twattering is apparently amusing to some of my very dejected friends who’ve been in a rut post-2024 election, and that’s worth something. Hopefully the combativeness spreads.
I am loving what Gavin Newsom is doing.
Man the transphobia?
hey, it could also be the way he clears homeless encampments
I’d argue if Trump gets his way and becomes dictator for life. That’s more right authoritarian than left authoritarian.
America can only dream of being socialist or communist. Such a confused place that they can’t tell the difference between fascist and socialist
Release the Trump/Epstein files
All of his money is tainted and when it touches other money that money is then tainted. We should take away all that tainted money no matter who has it at the end. His grandchildren should know what it means to work or be destitute.
Now you are getting it, they enjoy when you call them nazis, gotta play around that
Yeah, calling the fascist doing fascist things as “socialism” is definitely not something that a party in Germany did in the 1930s.
Why should we care if they like or dislike what we call them? No one is trying to convince the Nazis.
Putting a hammer and sickle next to Trump is an insult to the number one Nazi killers in history.
Socialist are the number one killers and fighters against Fascism in history. And second place isn’t even close.
Trump using the government to increase the value of corporations is only “socialism” if you completely ignore everything that Marx or Lenin ever wrote.
This is just more “socialism is when the government does stuff”. Zero understanding of class conflict and interest.
For real. Republicans are all for one party state with state owned monopoly corporations.
Is that a real twitter account? It’s had some bangers lately.
Good question, btw. I found the jpg on Bluesky and did check if it was a real post. But I did not check if the account was what it claimed to be.
The account belongs to the office of the governor of California. https://x.com/govpressoffice
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/08/20/gavin-newsom-twitter-trump-00515785
based
Like waving a carrot on a stick while shoveling shit into our mouths
