I don’t get it. First the centrists were called leftist, just because they are left of right. Now stalinists are considered leftist, even though they have way more in common with fascists than even the centrists.
I can explain! Reality is whatever OP needs it to be so that they are right and you are wrong.
I can promise that non-harm reduction leftists who aren’t Stalinists outnumber those who are.
You choose violence today I see. Wew lad this comment section.
CIA ass post
I hate that evil Emperor Palpatine. That’s why I support Dedra Meero for Emperor. She’s a real firecracker that believes in the righteousness of the Empire to maintain order.
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Is the squeaking sound in your analogy the genocide of Palestinians?
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No, because the squeaking sound would still happen in the case of the crash if it was.
You didn’t avert Palestinian genocide by murdering other minorities. You literally opted to make it worse. Congratulations. The hundreds of thousands of additional dead and displaced Palestinians thank you for your concern.
The analogy does not hold up when change can be affected by the individual.
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“Sure, I could have voted against murdering everyone in the bus, but I’m only one person, so what’s the point?” isn’t exactly the position I would expect. Or, for that matter, respect.
Was this responding to my comment because I don’t see any logical connection?
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The analogy is of stopping a vehicle by hitting the brakes.
You object that one individual has all the control in the situation.
I point out that if it the brakes were only hit by a vote of everyone in the vehicle, it wouldn’t be less vile to abstain from voting than it would be to abstain from hitting the fucking brakes.
I object that you oversimplify to gross misrepresentation.
“we deserve non-squeaky brakes, and I won’t use the squeaky ones!”
I feel like a lot of people are doubling down now because the Democrats on the one hand show utter incompetence and unwillingness to fight Fascism in the US and on the other hand keep up their support for Fascism and genocide by Israel.
Everyone understands in their subconcious but many deny in their conciousness that things will not get better without a struggle. So going down the “i did harm reduction, you were all wrong, lalalala” route makes them feel like they did something and helps to not come to terms that they have been strung along by the Democrats for all those years.
Talk about careful wording lol. Very well done.
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Better light myself on fire! That’ll show those Dems!
Me: “I slammed the brakes. I was on the way to a peaceful Tesla protest.”
Them: “How dare you press the brakes when cars are destroying the environment, you genocide apologist! You’re wasting your time, if you do not burn down a Tesla dealership you are morally repugnant you fascist supporter.”
It’s the “violent” nature of the protest and name calling that have turned me off from them. Not necessarily the content of their words. But also, like yes I believe in recycling even though we have bigger problems.
You know how before the elections we say that it’s not the time to nitpick the Democratic Party because it’s more important to have it win so that the fascist won’t win?
Well, now we are not before elections, which means that now it is the time to nitpick the Democratic Party.
Man you keep just making a variation on the same “fuck the leftists” line over and over again.
Yeah we should really vote just for the interests of the 0.0some% of the population
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It’s a little late now that there’s camps, sure. If people had refused harder to put up with shitty democrats in the past, like… decades past… then the dems would’ve lost to past republicans who weren’t quite dictators.
In that alternate past where the dems actually lose for being center-right corporatists, they would’ve had to get some kind of spine or plan or… something… earlier to protect our public news and education from authoratarian misinformation and maybe prevented this bullshit.
In this current world that we actually have though… I mean you saw we elected Biden, right? And you saw how much good that did – right? We need somebody on our side with some teeth and rolling over for milquetoast donation collectors is not going to get it for us.
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The dems are literally rolling over for fascism. They are complicit.
Ah shit, here we go again.
I voted for Harris, am I allowed to be mad that the Democrats are still gung ho about Israeli genocide yet? Or do I need to shout blue no matter who for another few decades?
Not voting and voting for trump were both stupid choices. But attacking people who didn’t vote for trump instead of those who did is fucking bananas and I don’t get the point of this. Are we expecting a resounding vote in 2028 for Harris again is going to fix everything? Come the fuck on.
Being pissed about Israeli genocide and thinking that it’s okay to welcome in Nazis who promise to intensify the genocide if you feel really strongly that reducing genocide isn’t good enough are two entirely different concepts.
Asspatting the latter is a request for them to play purity politics if we ever get a chance to vote again. And if we dig ourselves out of this fucking hole, the last thing I want to see is for us to jump right back into it because “The Dems aren’t opposing genocide enough! We NEED to let the pro-genocide candidate win and murder a few million extra people to teach the DNC a lesson!”
People were saying up to a year before the election that they wouldnt vote democrat unless they stopped supporting genocide. Maybe if reductionists like you hadn’t been shouting over them calling them russian trolls and pledging your undying support to the democratic candidate no matter who they are, then they would have seen how it was affecting their polls and pivoted. Instead you continue to prove to them that they can get away with anything. I dont uderstand the obtuse refusal to see that laying down an ultimatum and drawing a line in the sand is the only bargaining power you have, even if you dont intend to follow through with it, it wouldve been worth withholding support from biden and harris as long as possible.
You make an ultimatum, you better be ready for the consequences. You bet that removing support from Israel would get the Dems more votes than it would lose them, net. The Dem campaign disagreed - rightly or wrongly, it’s uncertain, but probably wrongly.
Now, because of that game of chicken you played, Donald Trump is discussing how bigly he’s going to help Israel genocide Gaza and the West Bank, millions are projected to die from the aid cuts already executed, immigrants are being rounded up in concentration camps, and the death penalty is being discussed for LGBT folk.
Welcome to the consequences.
You act like Biden wasn’t also complicit or selling bombs to Israel. In fact, this started under him and his failure to act is why this was even a dilemma to begin with. So now im supposed to pretend that if we elected a dem he wouldnt have done the same thing biden was already doing. Lol
If I don’t want to genocide people or be a party to war crimes with my tax dollars, is there any substantial difference between parties?
You do realize that support of Israel is a scale and not a boolean, right?
Why is the blame placed on individuals that would be lucky if they made up more than 1% of the population that makes up the “online leftist”?
Seriously. How is the only opposition party not the one that decided they would “play chicken”? You blame people for playing “chicken” but ignore the actual political party with money and organization that clearly decided to play chicken themselves. Hell, they’re the ones that literally decided to play that game.
Somehow the criticism and blame is placed on unorganized “online leftist”.
It wasn’t the online left. It was the vast majority of normies that thought about their vote for all of 30 seconds and said : “Yeah, I don’t like all the dead babies I keep hearing about. I’ll stay home or vote Trump i guess”
Stop pretending it’s some cringe online leftist. You’re delusional.
Seriously. How is the only opposition party not the one that decided they would “play chicken”?
Holy fucking shit, for the millionth time, more than one actor can be guilty at once
Am I discussing quantum physics to you people or something?
So what about your own guilt in being a pushover that never needs considering?
That might be more compelling if the people I fucking vote for in the primary decided to disregard my opinions when they got to the general.
Instead, I have to deal with the fact that I’m an electoral minority whose options in the primary never get to the general because my fellow progressives would sooner sit at home and jerk off during primary season instead of voting, which is why Bernie only garnered 25% of the fucking vote in 2020 to Biden’s 50%, despite Biden being a centrist ghoul. Which means I have to deal with the majority choice of both parties entering into the general, which is “Centrist ghoul vs. Literal Nazi” since 2016.
It’s because actions speak louder than words, you dolt.
Your actions are “only ever criticize the actual left” and so you are regarded as insincere because WERE ON THE SAME SIDE. But instead you NEED to be morally superior and make sure everyone knows it. It’s the same as the people who didn’t vote for Harris and their constant whinging about how the Dems never listen and theirs was the only MORAL vote. I think that shit was dumb, too, but at least they have principles.
If you just look at your actions, it appears you want to delegitimize the left in favor of the “centrist” dems as though moving right is a viable strategy that has worked for the Dems in the past. Basically, we see a clown.
We probably have our political differences but I’m glad you see the failures of “centrist opposition”. Well said.
Centrism in the political landscape of America is nothing more than a support of a right-wing policy shift.
If you were explaining quantum mechanics you’d probably start with the fundamentals of understanding momentum and position.
It’s funny you make an analogy like that. Because you’re completely ignoring both the position that the Democratic party is in AND the momentum they have in driving discourse.
Do I have to explain it to you?! Do you think the comparison between “online leftist” and the Democratic party is in the same “quantum level”? (Yes I’m stretching the satire here it’s a joke don’t take it too seriously.)
But seriously, it’s not about “guilty parties” it’s about the degree in which they are able to influence the political landscape.
You are critizing the smallest sliver of the nearly non existing left in order to avoid criticism of the only party that had any chance of preventing the rise of fascism we are experiencing now.
And that party did absolutely fuck all to prevent it. So, please. Explain to me you’re “enlightened centrist” take on why the failure of the Democratic party and it’s outright genocide were the fault of the “online left”.
I’d really love that physics lecture.
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I voted for Harris, am I allowed to be mad that the Democrats are still gung ho about Israeli genocide yet?
Sure are.
Because you did the right thing to help your country, despite being upset about a single issue.
You are not part of the problem.
This is exactly right. I frequently call these extremists right wingers because that’s basically what their attitudes amount to. They are right: liberalism leads to fascism. Capitalism is obviously a problem that needs abolishing. These are all things socialists believe because we’re socialists.
The problem is that harm reduction is no small thing. It’s not avoiding a scrape on the knee or having a pool instead of a hose. We’re talking about real human beings who are suffering, to paraphrase Chomsky. How privileged do you need to be to think it’s hardcore communists or nothing?
