The old school dems will team up with the majority of Rs and nothing will change. Anything to keep progressives from taking power.
That would turn the Democrats into a progressive party, which would have nation wide positions, proper party infrastructure in every state and some funding systems. Given how few vote for third parties, that would be a huge win for progressives.
“The Republican Party, as many of us know it, no longer exists,” said one source, who asked not to be named. “We do not recognize ourselves anymore in Trump’s administration. There is a strong movement out there in the party to reclaim the values we were raised on and reclaim the middle ground.”
Translation: “Omg can you believe this leopard is eating my face? Now that I’m personally affected by my own stupidity I want to be friends with Democrats!”
And somehow, just somehow, his bills get passed.
They are concerned, but not concerned enough to risk losing reelection by going on record as being concerned.
This is a good thing. Don’t mock people for realizing their party has abandoned them and acting accordingly.
Better late than never, but we need to support this ideal.
Nah fuck that. They did this. This isnt Trump vs Everybody. The camps are already up. they dont get come back feigning ignorance without even apologizing. They just want a pre 2015 status quo.
and reclaim the middle ground.”
Bullshit it’s good, it’s a farce to make the “middle” somewhere between the right wing Democrats and the ultra right wing unhinged fascists of the Republicans.
None of them are going “Damn we shoulda listened to Sanders.”
They’ve learned fuck-all.
Think of it as creating a new non-MAGA Republican Party, including a few right wing Democrats.
Democrat party continues as before, minus a handful of Jim Manchins
Yup.
o asked not to be named. “We do not recognize ourselves anymore in Trump’s administration. There is a strong movement out there in the party to reclaim the values we were raised on and reclaim the middle ground.”
Translation: “Omg can you believe this leopard is eating my face? Now that I’m perso
But getting fucked by 51-49 votes is I think much more difficult to solve than getting fucked by 65-35 votes. When there’s 1-2 votes diff, people don’t know why they’re fucked and what needs to be done to stop it. When it’s 65-35, it’s much more obvious what is to be done and what campaigns have to do to organize voters.
I dunno man, that still feels like they’re saying they basically agree with like 80% of what Republicans want to do in terms of giving tax breaks to the rich and cutting benefits for the poor. It seems like the bridge too far for them has been the actual fascism and tossing out the rule of law. Which is nice, but it means that this other new party will still be enabling some of the worst aspects of the Republicans if they indeed got a split like you are theorizing. That means that 65-35 split will be solidly on the side of “fuck the little guy” even if they won’t outright support fascism.
100%. And I think such a status quo would be much more easy to organize voters against. Picture AOC talking to a crowd and saying how the oligarchs have 2/3 of politicians in the form of those two parties and we need to close the gap by electing more of ours - 15-20 more. Now it’s like - the oligarchs are buying politicians. OK, which ones? OK, what do we do, run independents or primary them within the Democratic party? What other shit can the party pull to fuck us over? Could be totally wrong, I’m just thinking here.
You don’t understand what they are saying. You don’t understand what I’m saying.
You are the problem. Not some Republican politician whose lie you don’t understand.
This is a very republican method of argument.
Edit: now tell them to go “do your own research”
third parties just can’t win under the current system. we’d need ranked choice voting.
the way forward is through the primaries. that’s how we got Zohran.
I mean, hell, if the right wing Dems separate from the progressives and join the less-crazy-than-maga centerish Republicans and they go play in corporate-funded Neverland that hopefully no sane voter would touch with a ten foot pole, a real progressive party might actually become a possibility. It’ll isolate the magats and push them back into a hole, we may get a more moderate conservative party that could be open to compromising again, and hopefully a coalition of real progressives can begin putting forward some much needed ideas.
The key will be ensuring that that progressive party is funded well enough to compete with the corporate money that is pumped by the truckload into that new coalition (which will be a feat in itself).
I dunno, just anything to get these fucking fleas out of our politics.
Seriously, more party options is a good thing even if some of them suuuck.
This one definitely suuuuucks. Just a little bit less than where we’re at now.
They still deserve mockery for taking 9 years to realize it!
And for many other reasons, honestly
Their “ideals” allowed for this fascist regime to start
So you want them to keep those ideals?
They said the same thing after Nixon… and after Reagan… and now after Trump. Moderates will eat it up and we will end up worse on the next cycle of debauchery.
A real simple fix would be ranked choice voting.
it’s already been explicitly outlawed in several places.
fix
Which is why it won’t happen.
After Mamdani, they’re scared as fuck of ranked choice elections.
They already were. The right has been sneaking bans on ranked choice voting into many red state legislations for many years now.
You may be thinking “how could they convince people to vote against ranked choice voting?!” By piggybacking on xenophobia of course!
Even though that wouldn’t have mattered in his case. He would have won the primary without the need for ranked choice.
arguably ranked choice gave voters the confidence to pick the candidate that won an outright majority.
That’s a fair point.
I live in uber-blue Oregon and the Dem politicians here rallied against it and got it defeated on the 2024 ballot.
Same here in Massachusetts back in 2020.
It’s not necessarily a GOP vs Dem issue, it’s dominant parties worried that giving voters more choice will weaken their control.
We have it for Portland though! And it’s working
Fuck yeah it is! Hawaii has RCV for some, but not most, elections. Still a step in the right direction.
What’s bullshit? 4 out of 18 Democratic state senators claimed to support it and 14 out of 36 Democratic state reps claimed to support it.
Only 3 Republican state legislators opposed it so Republicans must have been in favor of it too, right?
These cats don’t actually want to fix anything.
“Vote blue no matter who, but also we’ll leave the party completely at the slightest hint you want to reduce income inequality and fix the broken social safety net.”
Edit: Actually, good, fuck em. Why should the left need to start its own party. We’re the Democrats now. Any Democratic official who leaves the party for this should be abandoned forever.
Fuck that. Dem leadership has abandoned the people. The Democratic and Republicans are finished
Probably true, but it’s easier to move into an empty house than build a new one.
Not if the foundation is cracked and crumbling.
I know I started the house analogy, but in this case the foundation is people. It’s the failed leadership and weak platform that can more easily be discarded.
The foundation of both parties is cracked. I’m sorry it is what it is
Ah, the Obstructionist Party.
That’s not what GOP stands for?
It’s the O in the abbreviation sandwiched between Gaslight and Project.
At this point, any bumps in the road to unfettered misogynist, bigoted, surveillance christofacist power would be helpful while the left gets a real party together.
Stop thinking that’s going to happen.
It’s never going to happen.
This seems like a trap that will enable the MAGAs to win more elections without a majority of votes…
Yeah, nah, we’re good dawgs. The democrat-republican third party would just be what the Dems are now - a right-of-center status quo capitulation party. Fuck every single one of you and your mothers. Have a good day.
Realistically, the end goal is to replace the democratic party with the new one and abandon the growing progressive wing to obscurity.
“We need to get back to our centrist roots. This authoritarianism is hurting profits” said the capitalists en masse
The article doesn’t name names and only mentions “centerists.” Those can all fuck off and make their own party. It will split the republican votes the most.
Republicans is more cultish then democrats. Democrats politician would be more open to a third party
It’ll be hard for Democrats to decide between the existing center-right capitalist status quo party and the new center-right capitalist status quo party. Meanwhile most Republicans just know they love fascism.
Should’ve pushed for ranked choice voting when they had the chance.
Wish they were in discussion to overhaul our fptp voting system. Any third party is doomed to fail, by design, until first past the post is in the rear view mirror.
Good luck to find enough politicians deciding to vote yes for a change to presidential elections electoral system
Totally agree
Oh, great. That’s what we want. A third party that’s also right-of-center. Yay.
Center right and far right party join together, to create the right party
I don’t think that it’s going to work. I assume that the people who most aren’t happy are moderate Republicans who can’t stand Trump and company:
Disgruntled Republicans sick of being bullied by Donald Trump and Democrat centrists imperiled by the Left are secretly having conversations about forming a third party in American politics, The Swamp can exclusively reveal.
But they aren’t gonna be enough votes alone. The people they’d best get along with are probably moderate Democrats, but the Democrats just ran Harris, who is also pretty moderate, so I doubt that moderate Democrats are especially upset at the moment. I think that they’d have a tough time attracting a bunch of moderate Democrats.
If you had just had an election between, I don’t know, Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders, then maybe you could try to run off with the Democratic center.
The second problem is that the US electoral system always stabilizes around two big-tent parties. It can be disrupted temporarily, but you’re gonna eventually get two parties. If one or both of the Big Two parties splinter, they will just reform into a new two parties in a few years. So even if you get people who are unhappy with the status quo, once things stop shifting around, you’re gonna have two big-tent parties again.
It’s not clear to me that introducing a new party solves problems here. Like, you want a different coalition, you can do that within the parties. You’re gonna have to make concessions and sell people on it, but long run, you’d have to do that with a new party too.
EDIT: I guess technically they could get a few Greens, but the American Greens are more of a left-wing protest party than specifically being anti-carbon or whatever, the way the German Greens might be. That’s probably not gonna have much overlap with moderate Republicans. And there’s the Libertarian Party, which might like more relaxed borders and lower barriers to trade, but LPers probably aren’t going to generally be really enthusiastic about a muscular foreign policy, which I bet the unhappy people want.
EDIT2: My guess is a more-likely outcome, if the GOP stays Trumpy post-Trump, is that a bunch of Reagan Republican types give up on Trump, just join the Democratic Party and get some policy concessions out of the Democrats.
My guess is a more-likely outcome, if the GOP stays Trumpy post-Trump, is that a bunch of Reagan Republican types give up on Trump, just join the Democratic Party and get some policy concessions out of the Democrats.
Except the brand name is poisoned for their base. Forming a new party fixes that. The real problem is that they won’t attract any big names from either side.
All the big name politicians on the right are the Trumpy nutjobs, and the big name politicians on the left are either too left-wing or they’re entrenched leadership.
I guess Trump is going to get that 3rd term after all
He won’t live that long. If nature doesn’t kill him, his party will.
Will his successor be better. Vance look more threatening to me
Vance has the respect and following of nobody. No way the GOP stand behind Vance fucking a couch if something happens to Trump.
There’s not a lot of hope when you look at the list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession
Only the good die young
Assholes live forever
