And a bunch of people didn’t vote for hitler. Nazi party got 43% of the votes on 1933.
They want this. Look at this post from their perspective and it makes you look like joke to them.
I’m not saying this as an insult…
Know thy enemy.
It occurred to me that everybody uses “Nazi” as a shorthand for psychopathic authoritarianism, but no living generation actually knows what it was like to live through that. This time we’ll actually see the “I didn’t vote for this” voices gradually disappear from the internet and at the end we’ll have a new name for this.
Fun fact: everyone who didn’t vote for Hitler made it through the war with a 100% clean conscience, and did not regret any other inactions. /s
Reminder that Hitler lost the election. The liberals endorsed a conservative candidate in the name of unity, who won, and proceeded to staff the government with Nazis and made Hitler chancellor, in the name of unity.
The left, cursed with Casandra Syndrome, campaigned on “A vote for Hindenburg is a vote for Hitler is a vote for war.”
In the end, many of them did end up supporting Hindenburg. But liberals will always see the left as a greater threat than fascists.
Fascinating that “I wish we had elected the Nazis sooner” is tankie orthodoxy.
Socialism is the only way to stop liberalism from proceeding to fascism. If the liberals had supported the socialists instead of demanding the socialists vote for them while they create the conditions for fascism to grow, and then hand power to the fascists, we could have strangled it in its crib.
It was as true in the 1920s and 30s as it is today. Hell we even saw the dems choose to fund ICE year after year, after they built the first set of cages, and right now, today, are choosing not to block its massive expansion.
And you have any faith at all that those same people have any interest in stopping fascism?
If the liberals had supported the socialists instead of demanding the socialists vote for them
Yes, if only the liberals, who make up a plurality of this country, had chosen to support the socialists, who make up single-digit percentages of this country, they would’ve won the election in a landslide and everything would be fine right now.
instead of demanding the socialists vote for them while they create the conditions for fascism to grow, and then hand power to the fascists, we could have strangled it in its crib.
As we all know, socialism has never allowed fascism to take root. So glad that problems have easy ideological solutions.
But of course, what am I saying? You’re a holodomor and Uyghur genocide denier. You love fascism, as long as it has the right color of paint.
Yes, if only the liberals, who make up a plurality of this country
Not even close to correct. Who are the most popular politicians in this country? Every poll I’ve seen in the past 10 years has AOC and Bernie at the top, and the only politician who can even compete with their approval ratings is Mamdani.
Liberals make up a plurality of the news media and the wealthy Democratic donors. They aren’t plurality of the people. A recent poll has 62% of self identified Democrats saying they want new Democratic leadership, and only 24% saying they like the leadership they have. People are fed up, and they are not looking for more “centrist” Democrats.
Liberals make up a plurality of the news media and the wealthy Democratic donors. They aren’t plurality of the people. A recent poll has 62% of self identified Democrats saying they want new Democratic leadership, and only 24% saying they like the leadership they have. People are fed up, and they are not looking for more “centrist” Democrats.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/656636/democrats-favor-party-moderation-past.aspx
Polling using the word “liberal” is pretty pointless. Leftists and centrists have completely different opposing definitions of what it means, and most Americans don’t have a clue.
Polling on specific issues or particular politicians is the only way to get an accurate picture, and Americans, especially Democrats, are far more left than they self identity.
Holodomer
You are literally doing nazi propaganda right now.
Uyghur genocide
lmao I am in China right now, I was in Urumqi earlier. There’s no travel restrictions, literally anyone can go there.
problems have easy ideological solutions
Correct, because ideology guides actions. Decisions informed by liberalism tend to heighten the contradictions of capitalism; the working class get weaker, the bourgeois get more powerful, and the petite bourgeoisie get one, then the other, making them easily controlled by anyone who offers them a scapegoat that doesn’t question the system that privileged them.
Vote for Republicans = You’re an evil Nazi
Vote for Democrats = You’re an evil liberal, an liberals are just veiled fascist
Vote for third party = You’re wasting your vote, you’re probably just a foreign asset
Vote for progressives = You support neoliberalism that masquerades as milquetoast socialism
Don’t vote at all = You’re a privileged asshole who caused all these issues by not voting
It literally doesn’t matter what you do or who you vote for, you simply can’t win with these people. There’s no appeasing them, they will forever complain about how you vote.
Ever since the 21st century, voting Democrat (voting against Republicans) has been compulsory to stop the degradation of our institutions to corruption and towards autocratic rule.
But a lot of people didn’t get the memo.
And to be fair a lot of Democrat candidates didn’t offer anything themselves, but to not be the destructive Republican guy.
The memo part has a lot to do with the massive far-right propaganda machine that is literally controlling minds (just not instantly or with a wavy beam)
The latter part has to do with the mass precarity that neoliberalism allows to persist. If you’re going to be in danger under King Log, why not vote for King Heron. And this is an issue across many nations with principle parties being neoliberal and far-right.
You forgot someone on your list. You. How would you describe yourself, I wonder? I know how I would.
Let me guess, am I nazi too?
No, you are a propagandist, trying to spread apathy amongst voters who could make a difference. You aren’t trying to get fewer people to vote for the Republican fascists, your goal is to spread apathy between the people who might vote against them.
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I see my point is being proven already
It’s literally what you are doing, and the best you can counter with is with pre-school sandbox logic?
My point is very obvious and straightforward. You cannot appease everybody no matter what you do, and that includes voting, and therefore you should do what you believe is right regardless of what others think, whether that’s voting for something or not voting at all… but I suppose this is just a part of some grand propaganda conspiracy to help boost the Republican party by sowing discourse on Lemmy. Do you even hear yourself?
Because the only imaginable positive outcome is appeasing everyone of course.
How about trying to minimize harm to as many people as possible?
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Your point is amplifying troll messaging and rolling over to defeatism. It’s about as weak as discourse gets.
No, you’re just mad that I’m correct. You can’t appease people, and people will complain no matter what you do. Therefore, the obvious conclusion is that you shouldn’t vote to appease others, but you should vote in what you believe is right regardless of what others think.
Your “proof” is that there isn’t a position that will win approval with everyone?
And the worst part?
They probably sleep sounder than you.
The Electoral College System: ‘I don’t really care, do u?’
We’ve had them for over a decade at this point. They were first established and construction started the Obama administration. During 45 AOC among a few other politicians did a performative photo-op in front of them and then that party as a whole proceeded to do nothing about them. Now we seem to have come back full-circle.
There seems to be a concerted effort to pretend that what’s happening is business as usual, and not a direct result of Trump.
Fuck outta here with that.
Hang on a second. Trump and the Republicans are obviously way more extreme, but Obama was the deporter in chief for a reason. One of the greatest terrorists in world history with the drone program. Just because Republicans are fascist lunatics doesn’t mean we shouldn’t acknowledge what led here.
Obama and Biden deported criminals, they didn’t go to fucking job sites and brutalize peaceful workers. They didn’t deport people to prisons in a third country that the person has zero connection to. They didn’t deport green card holders and legal permanent residents.
People’s memories can’t really be this short, right?
It didn’t “lead” anywhere, this is Project 2025. This is what these racist fucks were always going to do.
but they did start the “immigrant detention centers.”
They had due process.
Most of them weren’t even given the means to find lawyers.
Many of them received representation from attorneys in the immigration groups that Trump stopped funding. Oops.
You don’t really seem to understand how society actually works. Liberalism leads to fascism. A Trump is an inevitability when you have decades of neoliberal reforms and barely any relief. No one is saying the two parties in the US are identical. Yes, things are worse right now! That’s not what I’m objecting to here.
OK, so a dude calling himself buttnugget claims he knows how society actually works, and then follows that up with the statement that “LIBERALISM LEADS TO FASCISM”
Man, when the Republicans went to work attacking and weakening the public education system, they really had their eye on the prize.
Oh, my reddit username needs to be serious? Sorry, I missed that memo because I am the direct product of No Child Left Behind. Is that about right? You are an embarrassment to the concept of rational thought.
Ok bud.
At least I tried to help you understand. You didn’t deserve it, but I feel better that I tried anyway.
neoliberalis and liberals are not the same thing. also, Germany was utterly fucking obliviated as punishment for starting World War 1. I feel that that had more to do with fascism taking over than politicians from a collapsed government.
I never said that neoliberals and liberals are the same thing. Obama is a neoliberal as was every president after Nixon. No idea what you’re talking about.
I have a relative who has been on medicaid on and off who “doesn’t pay attention to politics”. I frequently explain current events to them- like efforts to cut medicaid that may cause them to lose their coverage.
The obliviousness (or complacency, in many cases) of some people is unbelievable.
This is sending me
TBH I don’t want to talk to a bunch of libs who put me in a boiling pot. It’s annoying, condescending, and it does absolutely nothing to change the water temperature.
Dude nobody put you there. You were comfortable in an aquarium. You saw the boiling pot, then went and jumped in by yourself. Now you’re mad at those who warned you about the pot.
If only they had voted!!! It would be a totally different world!!! jfc…
Some of us are old enough to remember what things were like before Trump. Things would be completely different if Harris had won, and you’re a fucking naive child if you believe otherwise.
Something something first they came for the something something
You voted though, right? For Harris? That’s the only correct answer.
Non voters + Trump voters + Jill Stein voters brought us into this mess. I haven’t heard anything from Jill Stein, as a leader I hope she’s speaking out too to her base. ~~
As a proud supporter of Claudia de la Cruz, I’m sure you’ll be pleased to know she hasn’t given up her flight: https://www.instagram.com/1claud9/, https://pslweb.org/
I used the ballot box and voted straight blue, yes.
Really looking like it’s time for the next box and I hate that but no nazi deserves to breathe
I am seriously tired of hearing this shit, what point does that matter now? Are you going to change the election? Move forward, we can’t do anything about how people voted now and it’s just alienating and irritating people.
“Look, I know that these people voted for you and yours to suffer, but you just need to get over that so that we can come together and be a happy family again. You not getting over that one little tiny bump in our past just alienates everyone that wanted to see your life destroyed. It was a tiny blip from our past. Just get over it already.” ~You…for the most part.
You’re fight, people don’t like hearing about the consequences of their own actions. They like sitting comfortably, pretending they did what they could to stop it
To remind people that their actions have consequences and that they need to take an active role in the democratic process if they want to preserve it.
Yup, and the whole “she wasn’t a squeaky clean and perfect candidate for me so I couldn’t vote for her in good conscience” sounds like such a fucking dumb argument in the face of what we’ve seen the other guy has done/will do.
And to the user you replied to: yes, it doesn’t do anything to change reality, but points like this should be noted so hopefully people learn. You vote so a piece of shit like Mango Mussolini doesn’t get to power and dismantle the U.S. government.
P.S. I proudly voted for Kamala Harris
People needed to vote for the not fascist candidate in a choice between a not fascist candidate and a fascist candidate.
It’s not hard. Learn the lesson or die to fascists. People will be too dead to be alienated.
Okay. Got anything other than time travel as a solution? If not, I need you to get the fuck off the internet, go talk to some neighbors, and do a moral-action to save some neighbors lives.
Is that moral action a crime? Depends on who you ask, which state you’re in, and how you choose to do it.
I recommend dragging a full-sized cross in front of an immigrant’s door as ICE tries to raid. On camera. In Los Angeles. With bible verses burned into the wood about “love your neighbor” from KJV. Even if you have to make the cross yourself.
Maybe you’ll get a good photo op for the movement, maybe you’ll psychologically break a gestapo or four.
I’m sure you have other ideas.
If we have another election vote in it. Vote for the Democrat candidates. Fill out the ballot with a pen. No larping fan fiction necessary.
no larping fanfiction necessary
https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/speed-over-fairness-deportation-under-obama
I’d rather larp on the internet than enable fash to larp at court until they can drop the facade.
This blood is on Democrats’ hands too, and I’m tired of your Team Sports mentality pretending otherwise.
if we have another election
And if we don’t? Or if its such a farce that its Russian-style ballot-stuffing?
Tell me the plan. Lemme guess… Brunch?
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/48128843
And when these are the people your party will FIGHT to put on the ballot? I’m sorry, even when I do vote, I vote alone. I dont get to bring a group of almost non-voters into the line with me.
Or your party could try to… Vote Blue No Matter Who in NYC. Back the party candidate. Offer support. Embrace a platform that starts to work.
No? No real Democratic presidential primary since 2008, and we’re supposed to trust that name? Thanks Kim Jong Un.
Then again, we wouldn’t be in this mess if Trump’s 6th Amendment Right to a swift trial were respected, so his name could have been taken off the ballots in time for a real election. Thanks Obama appointed judges!
What does any of this have to do with the Democrats being the correct choice in 2024 and being the correct choice in the next two elections if we have them?
There are still people advocating for not voting after it is now clear that was the wrong choice.
(Voted for her too, btw, I’m mad her rhetoric didn’t let me bring friends)
If that’s not you then you shouldn’t have a problem with this.
And if we don’t?
Then voting wont be an option.
We’ve had real primaries since 2008.
The fact is, Democrats refuse to learn from their mistakes. Y’all Liberals refuse to learn anything from your own voters. Ever.
The fact is, your party is responsible for making Austerity politics (and mislabeling it as “abundance” with Ezra Klein) bipartisan for more than 30 years.
This strategy is how we got Trump. I don’t blame Romney for Trump - I blame Clinton ratcheting to the Right.
When Bernie can win States’ popular vote and lose it because of Party-appointed “super delegates” in 2016? That’s not fucking Democracy.
When the entire party rallied behind Biden so thoroughly that half the country didn’t even get to vote in the Primary before Biden was the presumptive Nominee in 2020? That’s not Democracy, and Bernie was arguably a Coward for not calling you on it. But… Voting out the fascist was priority. And Biden promised to be a 1-term president.
2024 - that 1-term promise? SIKE!!! Until his failing mental condition lagged out so hard that his VP took over, no voting allowed.
Fuck you. Sincerely, and deeply. You deserve Trump as much as anyone in his Simp cult. Blue Maga gave us Red Maga.
No it was the democrats who put a candidate forward so uninspiring and indifferent on many different issues that people didn’t vote for her.
People didn’t want come that had no stance against the genocide and was different from biden.
No it was people who didn’t want to vote for Kamala Harris. Everyone who doesn’t work at the DNC needs to learn that lesson. Everyone who works at the DNC has a different set of lessons to learn. Like be a socialist and abandon neoliberalism.
The fact that we had a choice of someone other than Biden was incredible from a political standpoint. It’s laughable more people weren’t jumping at the chance to elect the candidate who wasn’t a lifelong, diehard Zionist.
Multiple people can be at fault. The Democratic party definitely fucked up by not holding a primary, but every single person who had a ballot in front of them and decided that letting Trump win was acceptable fucked up even worse
Just give it up, theyre the same as Republicans who can’t admit they were wrong.
They’ll act like theyre morally superior while millions more die because of their vastly misplaced arrogance. More Palestians died and will die. More vulnerable people reliant on USAID will die, and rather than admitting you should try to shift left (And I agree the democratic party is center right at best) they just let the worst possible outcome happen.
Theyre not morally superior, theyre morally bankrupt and mentally deficient.
I do find Harris and the party worse. They held all the cards and stupidly decided not no give an inch. Madness.
BUT WAIT, THERE IS MORE!
If all you’re doing is “voting”, then you have no right to a good night’s sleep at all.
If you’re still self-righteous about it like 9mos later, that’s even more gross.
Where is this dream candidate anyway? I haven’t seen them out there opposing genocide… Much like this gross meme…
*ignores a century of withering away of social safety nets and institutions at the hands of dems and Republicans, and primarily capitalists
*at the 11th hour and 59th minute of the devolution into fascism, nobly votes for handwringing and pragmatic genocidaire vs unabashed and bombastic genocidaire
*“I’m doing my part! Screw you, Tankies and Ruzzians for destroying America! Muslim and Arab americans in Dearborn who decided not to vote for a woman who promised to kill their bothers and sisters in Palestine and Lebanon with utmost lethality are redfash, and are the reason for the pickle we’re in now. Ignore the last 200 years of history that led us here.”
Yep, checks all the liberal boxes. History only starts where it is convenient.
So many fucking internet tough guys.
I’m sure that’s of great comfort to the people in concentration camps. Legit so gross to acknowledge concentration camps currently existing and being run by your own government, and somehow still making it about you.
What can the average US citizen do about concentration camps that are outside the US but controlled by the US?
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2A exists for a reason
I’m doubtful that an armed US populace will be effective against the militarized police forces and literal military being deployed against Citizens.
The second amendment was more realistic when society had roughly the same fire power as the military, but not so much any more.
They have predator drones, we have AR-15’s. These are not the same.
The number of Americans who showed up to protest in the streets on No King’s Day was at least 1 million more than the sum total of US military and police members.
Start with small groups of ICE agents?
Weapons manufacturing facilities?
Infrastructure? Hacktivism?
Economic targets?
Rich mansions?Anything’s better than shoulder-shrugging after decades of molon labe.
Did they have predator drones in Afghanistan?
so why even try to resist right? Lets just say we are sad about it
Or be smart about it… op was just being honest and realistic… That’s how you need to be when you are at war.
I find this sentiment very funny, considering the United States terrible performance in asymmetrical warfare.
I don’t think we won a war against an insurgency on their own soil in…… ever?
And that’s with the benefits of untouchable supply lines, and war production, unparalleled intelligence apparatus, and the ability to print money.
Exactly. Proving you ultimately can’t control an armed populace who are willing to take up arms against you.
This all falls apart when most of the country is mass surveilled and production is automated. If only 10% of the workforce are required, it’s easier to control the 10% you need by killing the other 90%, ever shrinking the population of proles until only the < 1% remain.
That’s why fascism, billionaires, and all oligarchs must be eliminated before general AI and mass automation are realized, otherwise the 99% face genocide.
You nailed it, also why the next step for Silicon Valley is military robotics
Never forget. /S
Did you phrase it this way to avoid talking about the ones in the US?
At bare minimum they could not turn the existence of these camps into the opportunity to talk about how morally pure they are. Useless and obnoxious at best, callous and heartless at worst.
Forgot about the new ones popping up, so I will lump them in as well: what concrete actions can US citizens take in regards to the concentration camps being set up by their government? A government that has the largest amount of military spending on the planet, and has now started deploying that military against it’s own citizens.
Why are you asking me what to do when my criticism of the sentiment in the OP is that it’s self centered and cruel?
If you need to be led around by the nose, probably literally anything else is going to be better than publicly jacking yourself off about how you didn’t want this to happen. I’m sure you can think of something other than self congratulatory meme posting.
I’m asking as you’re the one complaining. Don’t bring me a dead cat without bringing me a shovel.
Drones… Certain funds from the construction market… (Although, I don’t know if they stock other stores in your area.) , start hunting terrorists, Badaboom
Taking some of the millions and millions weapons in US…
But has to be done some time ago. Now ist over.
I see stuff like this and laugh. It would seem that most Americans, Democrats in particular, cling to the notion that they will have a chance to vote again. If there are midterms or another full election, they will be rigged the same as Russia, North Korea or any other “strongman” dictatorship. Keyboard warriors won’t make a whit of difference.
It’s one of the only things we have left to do so we better hope it makes a difference.
The right never gets any shit for using their key boards to advocate for murdering us all and it seems pretty effective for them.
