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We need to be thinking about how 77 million Americans voted for Trump and thought that was a good idea.
And we need to work out how to prevent it from happening again.
One thing is clear, billionaires and politicians are unwilling to relinquish power or wealth, even when their holdings are obscene or they are incapable of governing.
We will have to threaten either their lives or the structures on which their holdings depend, and can’t bluff. And they will likely choose death over surrender.
Vote for Republicans = You’re an evil Nazi
Vote for Democrats = You’re an evil liberal, an liberals are just veiled fascist
Vote for third party = You’re wasting your vote, you’re probably just a foreign asset
Vote for progressives = You support neoliberalism that masquerades as milquetoast socialism
Don’t vote at all = You’re a privileged asshole who caused all these issues by not voting
It literally doesn’t matter what you do or who you vote for, you simply can’t win with these people. There’s no appeasing them, they will forever complain about how you vote.
Ever since the 21st century, voting Democrat (voting against Republicans) has been compulsory to stop the degradation of our institutions to corruption and towards autocratic rule.
But a lot of people didn’t get the memo.
And to be fair a lot of Democrat candidates didn’t offer anything themselves, but to not be the destructive Republican guy.
The memo part has a lot to do with the massive far-right propaganda machine that is literally controlling minds (just not instantly or with a wavy beam)
The latter part has to do with the mass precarity that neoliberalism allows to persist. If you’re going to be in danger under King Log, why not vote for King Heron. And this is an issue across many nations with principle parties being neoliberal and far-right.
You forgot someone on your list. You. How would you describe yourself, I wonder? I know how I would.
Let me guess, am I nazi too?
No, you are a propagandist, trying to spread apathy amongst voters who could make a difference. You aren’t trying to get fewer people to vote for the Republican fascists, your goal is to spread apathy between the people who might vote against them.
I see my point is being proven already
Your point is amplifying troll messaging and rolling over to defeatism. It’s about as weak as discourse gets.
No, you’re just mad that I’m correct. You can’t appease people, and people will complain no matter what you do. Therefore, the obvious conclusion is that you shouldn’t vote to appease others, but you should vote in what you believe is right regardless of what others think.
Your “proof” is that there isn’t a position that will win approval with everyone?
It’s literally what you are doing, and the best you can counter with is with pre-school sandbox logic?
My point is very obvious and straightforward. You cannot appease everybody no matter what you do, and that includes voting, and therefore you should do what you believe is right regardless of what others think, whether that’s voting for something or not voting at all… but I suppose this is just a part of some grand propaganda conspiracy to help boost the Republican party by sowing discourse on Lemmy. Do you even hear yourself?
Because the only imaginable positive outcome is appeasing everyone of course.
How about trying to minimize harm to as many people as possible?
these manufacturing guilt posts would work if we were not seeing dnc sabotage mamadani to favour predatory stooges just like trump. the “blue no matter what” is only for trash candidates that superpacs want. everytime we get close to a leader that we want like bernie or aoc or mamdani, dnc shows they work for the trumps not against them.
i am not a violent person so pls suggest how we can help get aoc elected in 2029 without doing a luigi on likes of pelosi and schumer ?
…you think AOC is an outsider? Oh sweet, sweet summer child, bless your heart.
she might not be an outsider but she seems to have a spine, supports the progressive cause and candidates. she is the way “lesser evil” that we should be settling for. she is also liked and respected by a lot of fringe gop voters. so there’s a good chance that in time she also get fulls house and senate majority.
does anyone really thinks that these dnc elites actually care about anyone other than themselves and the megadonor billionaires:
It occurred to me that everybody uses “Nazi” as a shorthand for psychopathic authoritarianism, but no living generation actually knows what it was like to live through that. This time we’ll actually see the “I didn’t vote for this” voices gradually disappear from the internet and at the end we’ll have a new name for this.
Fun fact: everyone who didn’t vote for Hitler made it through the war with a 100% clean conscience, and did not regret any other inactions. /s
Reminder that Hitler lost the election. The liberals endorsed a conservative candidate in the name of unity, who won, and proceeded to staff the government with Nazis and made Hitler chancellor, in the name of unity.
The left, cursed with Casandra Syndrome, campaigned on “A vote for Hindenburg is a vote for Hitler is a vote for war.”
In the end, many of them did end up supporting Hindenburg. But liberals will always see the left as a greater threat than fascists.
Fascinating that “I wish we had elected the Nazis sooner” is tankie orthodoxy.
They want this. Look at this post from their perspective and it makes you look like joke to them.
I’m not saying this as an insult…
Know thy enemy.
We’ve had them for over a decade at this point. They were first established and construction started the Obama administration. During 45 AOC among a few other politicians did a performative photo-op in front of them and then that party as a whole proceeded to do nothing about them. Now we seem to have come back full-circle.
There seems to be a concerted effort to pretend that what’s happening is business as usual, and not a direct result of Trump.
Fuck outta here with that.
Hang on a second. Trump and the Republicans are obviously way more extreme, but Obama was the deporter in chief for a reason. One of the greatest terrorists in world history with the drone program. Just because Republicans are fascist lunatics doesn’t mean we shouldn’t acknowledge what led here.
Obama and Biden deported criminals, they didn’t go to fucking job sites and brutalize peaceful workers. They didn’t deport people to prisons in a third country that the person has zero connection to. They didn’t deport green card holders and legal permanent residents.
People’s memories can’t really be this short, right?
It didn’t “lead” anywhere, this is Project 2025. This is what these racist fucks were always going to do.
You don’t really seem to understand how society actually works. Liberalism leads to fascism. A Trump is an inevitability when you have decades of neoliberal reforms and barely any relief. No one is saying the two parties in the US are identical. Yes, things are worse right now! That’s not what I’m objecting to here.
OK, so a dude calling himself buttnugget claims he knows how society actually works, and then follows that up with the statement that “LIBERALISM LEADS TO FASCISM”
Man, when the Republicans went to work attacking and weakening the public education system, they really had their eye on the prize.
Ok bud.
neoliberalis and liberals are not the same thing. also, Germany was utterly fucking obliviated as punishment for starting World War 1. I feel that that had more to do with fascism taking over than politicians from a collapsed government.
but they did start the “immigrant detention centers.”
They had due process.
Most of them weren’t even given the means to find lawyers.
Many of them received representation from attorneys in the immigration groups that Trump stopped funding. Oops.
I’m sure that’s of great comfort to the people in concentration camps. Legit so gross to acknowledge concentration camps currently existing and being run by your own government, and somehow still making it about you.
What can the average US citizen do about concentration camps that are outside the US but controlled by the US?
Never forget. /S
2A exists for a reason
I’m doubtful that an armed US populace will be effective against the militarized police forces and literal military being deployed against Citizens.
The second amendment was more realistic when society had roughly the same fire power as the military, but not so much any more.
They have predator drones, we have AR-15’s. These are not the same.
Did they have predator drones in Afghanistan?
Start with small groups of ICE agents?
Weapons manufacturing facilities?
Infrastructure? Hacktivism?
Economic targets?
Rich mansions?Anything’s better than shoulder-shrugging after decades of molon labe.
so why even try to resist right? Lets just say we are sad about it
I find this sentiment very funny, considering the United States terrible performance in asymmetrical warfare.
I don’t think we won a war against an insurgency on their own soil in…… ever?
And that’s with the benefits of untouchable supply lines, and war production, unparalleled intelligence apparatus, and the ability to print money.
Exactly. Proving you ultimately can’t control an armed populace who are willing to take up arms against you.
This all falls apart when most of the country is mass surveilled and production is automated. If only 10% of the workforce are required, it’s easier to control the 10% you need by killing the other 90%, ever shrinking the population of proles until only the < 1% remain.
That’s why fascism, billionaires, and all oligarchs must be eliminated before general AI and mass automation are realized, otherwise the 99% face genocide.
Did you phrase it this way to avoid talking about the ones in the US?
At bare minimum they could not turn the existence of these camps into the opportunity to talk about how morally pure they are. Useless and obnoxious at best, callous and heartless at worst.
Forgot about the new ones popping up, so I will lump them in as well: what concrete actions can US citizens take in regards to the concentration camps being set up by their government? A government that has the largest amount of military spending on the planet, and has now started deploying that military against it’s own citizens.
Drones… Certain funds from the construction market… (Although, I don’t know if they stock other stores in your area.) , start hunting terrorists, Badaboom
Taking some of the millions and millions weapons in US…
But has to be done some time ago. Now ist over.
Why are you asking me what to do when my criticism of the sentiment in the OP is that it’s self centered and cruel?
If you need to be led around by the nose, probably literally anything else is going to be better than publicly jacking yourself off about how you didn’t want this to happen. I’m sure you can think of something other than self congratulatory meme posting.
I’m asking as you’re the one complaining. Don’t bring me a dead cat without bringing me a shovel.
And a bunch of people didn’t vote for hitler. Nazi party got 43% of the votes on 1933.
If all you’re doing is “voting”, then you have no right to a good night’s sleep at all.
If you’re still self-righteous about it like 9mos later, that’s even more gross.
Where is this dream candidate anyway? I haven’t seen them out there opposing genocide… Much like this gross meme…
*ignores a century of withering away of social safety nets and institutions at the hands of dems and Republicans, and primarily capitalists
*at the 11th hour and 59th minute of the devolution into fascism, nobly votes for handwringing and pragmatic genocidaire vs unabashed and bombastic genocidaire
*“I’m doing my part! Screw you, Tankies and Ruzzians for destroying America! Muslim and Arab americans in Dearborn who decided not to vote for a woman who promised to kill their bothers and sisters in Palestine and Lebanon with utmost lethality are redfash, and are the reason for the pickle we’re in now. Ignore the last 200 years of history that led us here.”
Yep, checks all the liberal boxes. History only starts where it is convenient.
So many fucking internet tough guys.
Something something first they came for the something something
The Electoral College System: ‘I don’t really care, do u?’
FTFY
How do you vote against concentration camps when both candidates are genocidal?
By trying to minimize the amount of ethnic cleansing happening and slow it the fuck down so we have a better chance at stopping it rather than let it go unchallenged electorally and via direct action.
Poor technocrit. Your attempt to keep Republicans in power by infecting progressive-leaning voters with apathy, it just keeps getting weaker and weaker, doesn’t it?
Disingenuous bullshit.
Both candidates support israel, how is that disingenuous?
You know. I don’t need to explain it to you.
Lemme guess…Whoa whoa genocide joe where did you come from where did you go, where did you come from genocide joe
lol this nonsense again, let me guess you didnt vote in protest.
What would you have me do?
Harris said she would work toward peace talks. Whether this was true or not will never be known. But from what I’ve read, despite what she really wanted, she had to “toe the line” and not stray from Biden’s policies if she wanted to keep her campaign alive.
trump campaigned to not only let Netanyahu “finish the job,” and to write Israel a “blank check,” and to build a resort in Gaza, but also to build concentration camps ON AMERICAN SOIL, and to send Americans and immigrants in the US to foreign concentration camps.
Not voting for either is essentially a vote for trump, in this current political climate.
So voting for Harris is the closest we get to voting against concentration camps.
Show me one who wasn’t “pro genocide”.
That’s the point isn’t it? No matter who you voted for you voted for genocide.
Yeah… Single issue voters like this is what brought this orange demon upon us (again). Israel is really influential; they are going to genocide no matter what with the help of all their allies. By voting (or not voting) on this one issue, you risk huge economic stability and more war, as we’ve seen.
The entire world knows your political system is rubbish but, whether we like it or not, USA is the world police. And when the world police no longer polices we get emboldened actions like bombing Iran for no good reason.
Might as well vote for the one that follows the law, won’t deport people without due process to an extra-national torture prison, won’t demonize and harm LGBTQ citizens, and is willing to be held accountable.
Sure. Though I don’t know about that last part exactly. Since we all support genocide we should at least have some other stuff.
Since we all support genocide…
Your words not mine.
we should at least have some other stuff.
That quick list is in no way comprehensive.
There it is. Every time. They always get defensive. Yeah they were my words. They were factual words. You voted for genocide. I voted for genocide. Most of America voted for genocide, the ones that didn’t vote? They also voted for genocide. Get off your high horse, that’s what you voted for if you can’t accept it then you have no business talking about anything else.
Exactly. The key to remember is that “vote blue no matter who” is a one-way street with one-way loyalty. Centrists demand loyalty from progressives, but they will never offer the same in return.
Moral superiority really doesn’t do much in this situation, but OK.
So you voted Green.
No, they said they didn’t help Trump get elected.
