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A heatwave continues to grip large parts of Europe, with authorities in many countries issuing health warnings amid searing temperatures.
Southern Spain is the worst-affected region, with temperatures in the mid-40s Celsius recorded in Seville and neighbouring areas.
A new heat record for June of 46C was set on Saturday in the town of El Granado, according to Spain’s national weather service, which also said this month is on track to be the hottest June on record.
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While it is hard to link individual extreme weather events to climate change, heatwaves are becoming more common and more intense due to climate change.
Not that hard after all.
When do we start shoving the people responsible into prisons? The airlines, car, weapon manufacturers,…
That would be inhumane, they don’t have AC in prisons.
When we stop voting out politicians that try to add a carbon tax.
“But the greeens they want to do something!!! You have to fear them!! They want to take away your schnitzel! Force you to be vegaaaan!!!” - insert any politician you want here
What’s on the menu?
Mince
Across the Mediterranean to the south and east it is even hotter. Wearing shorts and putting on sunblock isn’t the best way to deal with the heat, you need to shield yourself and make use of the chimney effect.
The Bedouin lesson: A scientific study proves robes are the best garment to wear in the desert heat
A Bedouin outfit might not fit socially, but a loose summer dress might work just as well.
So as a counter to the “pants for women” movement, let’s start a “summer dresses for everyone” movement.
Shame I’m a fat old guy now. A few decades back I looked great in a Laura Ashley summer dress.
You were a pretty young women back then ?
Women is plural.
He combined into one fat guy
The best way to deal with the heat would be physical retaliation against those because of whom we are in this whole mess
I prefer using the Boyle Law effect.
The last years saw up to 50°C in Northern Africa already. This will be the fate of Southern Europe, as the peak temperatures in the center and North of Europe will go to 45°C.
As the mean temperature rises roughly linear, so do the peak temperatures, but at a much faster rate. So 1,5-2°C increase in mean temperature often correspond to 5-7°C increase in peak temperatures.
Well, that depends on whether the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation stops working or not as that’s what, for example, means that Lisbon which is roughly at the same latitude as New York has a temperature which is about 5 - 10C higher.
One of the weirdest effect of Global Warming might very well be that the westernmost parts of Europe get colder (though who knows what other side effects the stopping of the AMOC will bring beyond reducing the temperature moderating effects of the Atlantic along the Westernmost coasts of Europe).
No worries guys this is just a normal summer day climate change isnt real, enjoy the sun
/s in case it isnt clear
There is still snow somewhere on earth, everything is fine!
- a politician somewhere
Lets all fly with our private jets to venice for a wedding!
oh also you cant use plastic straws cause its bad for the environment.
Do not Lockerbie them.
I’m joking (don’t kill people) but it’s strange that when I grew up there were people all over the place blowing stuff up because they thought they were wronged. Not so much today, not even blowing up an empty Elon jet for example.
As this keeps happening I continue to wonder when Europe and the UK will finally realize how badly they need to air conditioning. The units are (or were in the past year or 3)b way more expensive there than here in America. I dunno about current costs. It’s worth it though, even if you only need it for like 1 month out of the year.
We’re very aware in the UK but it’s not too easy. We have some the oldest housing stock in the world. We don’t have central air with no real way to retrofit so it would have to be one room at a time. Our windows aren’t designed to house those units I see in NY. We have to rely on very inefficient portable units so I only use it on the really hot days. Energy prices are still high after Russia’s invasion. People are adding proper units when extending but only the rich can really afford that.
Add to that, that all these old UK houses have about as much insulation as a cereal box.
Why would they need more airco when many houses and apartments still don’t even have proper shutters for windows and many people still don’t know you should keep your windows closed during peak heat hours, many roofs still barely insulated and they turned all their yards and driveways into concrete and asphalt hellscapes. A nice adult tree in your yard does more than an airco, fight me.
Overall, I completely agree with this comment. But I live in the middle of the forest, completely surrounded by trees and when it hits 35c that air conditioning is very needed. Trees are nice but an air conditioner they are not.
I live in Spain, and since temperatures are now reaching 39°C in my area, I ordered two AC units for the most used rooms in my house (living room and bedroom).
With installation it costed 1300€. A months salary basically. In my area the cheapest unit with installation was 450€, but it didn’t look very reliable.
I ordered it 11 days ago, and I’m scheduled to receive it and installed either this week or the next. AC installers are oversaturated with orders this time of the year. It’s insane.
In France the government is helping people get Aircon by subsidising heatpumps, also way more carbon efficient than Gaz or fioul based central heating.
It depends on the kind of heatpumps, in a lot of cases the heatpump is installed to replace a boiler, reusing the radiators and hot water circulation already available.
Unfortunately in this case the heatpump cannot be used as AC.
Not as AC, but a reversible heat pump can use the heating system for cold water circulation.
It’s rather limited, because you run into condensation concerns, but it’s still a possibility. A place I used to work at did this. It wasn’t perfect, but took some of the edge off.
On the other hand reversible heatpumps work great with floor heating.
Having a cool floor during a heatwave is amazing, plus no noise,
How does this subsidy work? Asking for my dad, who lives in France.
My living room is around 36 square meters and the cheapest AC unit for that area was 650 - 850 euros. You also have to pay a certified company to install it, which cost another 200 - 300 euros.
The median salary is like 900 euros, which makes it out of reach for a large portion of the population.
Is the median living room 36 square meters? Seems unfair to compare median salary with a rather big house/apartment.
Growing up our dining/living room was 24m2 and I could be cooled with a 200 euro portable AC.
Fair point.
We also have a 20 square meter study where we installed AC. The unit cost around 550 euros and installation was like 70 euros cheaper. Total cost was cheaper but still hard for a median family to support.
Most families use some sort of fan or cooling column but they are quite lackluster and only work in summer.
Europe and the UK
You can just say Europe.
Nope, UK is not part of Europe anymore ;)
Do you mean no longer part of the EU? Because for as far as I know the island is still geographically in Europe lol.
Debatable. They are an island next to Europe. But apart from that, you just stumbled across the joke.
The EU isn’t Europe.
That was the joke.
They are trying to push people to heat pumps (basically air conditioners tech wise)
They are also moving towards building/efficiency regs that require completely sealed houses and forced air systems in new builds.
So new houses will effectively be required/encouraged to have an air con capable houses.
The old housing stock though? Oof. I’m on a private estate that even bans that kind of stuff!
You can get a grant to install heat pumps, but ONLY if they can’t be reversed and used as air conditioning.
Also, I’m keeping my combi-boiler until they literally stop pumping gas to homes. Fuck water tanks.
I guess that’s to stop people from using it to get air-con when it’s mean to help people move away from gas. A bit silly though.
…I suspect there are a few models that only need 1 part switched for it to be possible…
Looking further into it, the “heat pumps” we’ve been pushing seem just for the ones that heat water, and then pump that round your radiators/out your taps.
The exclusion is for anything that moves air.
For new buildings that is already case. For older buildings there is limits to how well you can retrofit them with new heating/cooling/insulation systems. Lots of building are messed up, because changes to insulation and heating/cooling lead to humidity and mold or worse mushrooms.
I wonder what’s the cost for them to install one. I got mine installed and it cost around €350(rm1600 in my currency), everything included, for a japanese brand(Daikin). shouldn’t be too horribly expensive for european country, especially when people started to adopt it.
Edit: but honestly, i wonder how well aircond would work in 40°c+ temperature, it relies on pumping heat away from the room, and if outside is so hot it wouldn’t able to effectively cool the refrigerant. Still better than nothing.
Air conditioning works just like a refrigerator in that the cooling is accomplished by the compression and decompression of gas. The outside temperature has no effect on the ability of the unit to cool the inside space. Air conditioning just vents to outside, it doesnt use outside air. The same is true for a window unit as it is for a central system
to a point. It still relies on radiating the heat produced at the compression stage outside to the outside air. Due to how thermodynamics work this becomes less efficient or even impossible once the outside air approaches the same temperature as the compressed gas. Once the gas can’t cool down after the compressing step the ac starts to lose effectiveness fast
Bingo!
Ik Dutch, and have airco in every room in the house that isnt a bathroom or toilet. It’s awesome. Also have 30+ solar panels so whenever I use the airco, it’s run on solar power.
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And your suggestion is let them roast?
If it’s green energy it’s not really a huge problem.
Put some solar panels up too and you’re golden.
Ah yes green energies are gonna save us.
Anything but do away from the idea that we can just burn more juice to solve every of our problem innit?
You’re using a phone, which not only uses energy and petrochemicals to make but sometimes even slave labor.
“We’re doomed because of idiots like you lmao. How does it feel knowing you’re responsible for the end of humanity?”
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- You’re the guy in the well. That’s why I quoted you.
And 2:
•I also used a second hand phone until it couldn’t be repaired anymore.
•I avoid taking planes but very rarely, maybe every 4-5 years take one because even by plane my family lives about 20 hours away, since people still want me to visit them, which I’m getting the feeling might not be your case.
•Don’t drive, don’t even have the train or electric bus much, since I can walk/bike most everywhere I need.
•Don’t have A/C
•I live in Finland
•This whole posting and thread is about Spain, not the USA, so presumably most people talking about installing an A/C are in Spain or the EU, which makes sense since it seems nearly all of the USA has A/C already.
- Since you’re keen on purity tests, even the potential detriment of people’s health, it’s fair to call out your hypocrisy. You probably still have polyester clothes, use plastics of some sort, have a computer, etc. Hence why you’re the guy in the well. To the point I was going to use that comic as my original post.
Then again, you’re a baby account made today meaning you’ve probably already been banned somewhere multiple times before for simply being an unlikeable asshole and this is a new alt for you.
Yeah because a bunch of neckbeard genocide apologists on lemmy is my target demographic lmao
You know without quoting there’s no context right? Just makes you sound a bit mad being this off topic. Especially since the majority of Lemmy is against the Palestinian genocide.
They are now it’s trendy.
You think I forgot how it was in the worst days of the genocide?
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I should add a point 4:
You’re a privileged commentariat who lives somewhere that hasn’t been hit so hard by climate change yet to the point where A/C is needed for health reasons, and you lack the self awareness to know of that. That’s why you’re the person in the well.
You didn’t offer the person who needs A/C a better solution, like a heat pump; you didn’t ask if they use renewable energy (I don’t know of Spain but he in Finland we can pick what energy company we use, and me and my wife have one that is 100% renewable/nuclear); you assumed they weren’t from the EU.
That’s why you’re the person in the well. You never offered or discussed potential ways to improve things, or even if they need the A/C; you merely criticized someone who exists in society for partaking in society ie trying to survive the heat waves.
Lmao the american dude living in Finland and taking his 20 hours planes is calling me privileged.
You’re a first world idiot that cannot comprehend anything but burning more juice to solve all your problem
What person who need AC you fucking idiot? I was talking to you and you live in Finland.
Unlock your sphincter bro you’re all tensed
Was just talking with my friend from Latvia who said it has been the coldest end of June since forever. Climate is so fucked and its just the beginning.
Here in Finland we just might hit +20C this week. Maybe a bit over that in the south. Maybe not coldest since forever, but definetly colder than last couple of summers so far.
114 in ‘merican
Most places in Europe have hit normal summer temperatures where I am (about 35). This is ridiculous, though. It is hotter in Spain right now than it is in Phoenix.
Let that sink in. It is hotter in Barcelona than it is in Death Valley right now.
If anyone is interested, it’s X Celsius times 9/5 + 32
“Double it and add thirty” is accurate enough for ambient temperatures, and easier to do in your head. If you need scientific accuracy then you wouldn’t be using Fahrenheit anyway.
Maybe? But 122 is way different than 114 in this case.
C * dolly Parton + freezing temp in F
I’m having a cool low 30s C something summer in Tx.
I’m not. Today in Austin was “feels like 110 degrees Fahrenheit” according to the weather app.
We still have all of July, August and September and most of October to go…
And December.
86 in Texas right now? I’m calling bs
same, and my apartment complex is refusing to fix the AC.
It’ll help keep the tourists away.
Muy cocida
Seattle area is pretty warm today.
We have AC, however, bless their hearts, the people who built our house put the only vents on the floor. When its cold you get warm air at the bottom of the house, which is probably OK, but the AC unit pulls air also at the bottom… Which is also OK for heating. Now think cooling for a sec. Pull the cold air from the bottom where the air is cold and then blow it at the bottom where its still cold.
Nice n cozy
Toasty enough for Jeff Bezos.
46 is a bit nippy. Might need a jacket.
WHO touched the thermostat this time geeez you??
