Remember non vegans, your lust for meat and the resulting impact on the climate will eventually force you to stop eating meat. You played yourselves.
FYI: This ☝️. This is why people don’t like vegans. It has nothing to do with your dietary choices or choosing to not use or consume products derived from animals - seriously, no one gives a shit; you do you. It has everything to do with the militantly self-righteous, condescending, preachy, holier-than-thou attitude, the constant proselytizing, and the demonizing/name-calling/general shitty behavior that comes with the former.
Sincerely,
A vegetarian who doesn’t make it my whole personality
Edit: Every single direct reply to this has further illustrated the point I was making. Maybe instead of being preachy and condescending, you just lead by good example. If people see and want what you have they’ll follow. Otherwise, you’re just shooting your own cause in the foot with your abominable behavior.
So why don’t you get off your high horse privileged ass and consider that this vegetarian person is obviously trying to mitigate some damage by not eating meat.
People hold strong, defensive opinions about all kinds of things, funny how you don’t react this way to those too.
It’s pure carnism defense mechanisms in action. If you ever wonder how MAGA supporters can be so detached from reality, remember you’re doing the same thing.
The truly self-righteous position is thinking you have a right to their bodies.
But my point is that animals should not be treated “like animals” either. They should be included in the social contract and afforded a basic minimum of respect and autonomy, not enslaved and exploited.
opinions will vary on what constitutes poor treatment of an animal, but i think everyone would agree that “Treating animals poorly is not appropriate.”
Nooooo. I have to reduce veganism to a dietary preference instead of a rights movement so it’s easier to dismiss it because a vegan was annoying or whatever one time!
While i understand that it is human nature to not want to listen to people who are talking down to you, or who say things that make you feel bad about yourself and your choices, i don’t think “someone made me feel bad so I’m going to continue to destroy the planet” is a valid excuse to avoid reflecting on personal habits and their consequences.
But it’s a good reminder in how to speak to people. If youre dealing with someone in the maga cult you could try to say 1 liners at them but you probably aren’t going to get them to actually listen to you. Same applies to trying to talk to omnivores or vegetarians
FYI: This ☝️. This is why people don’t like the lgbtq+ movement. It has nothing to do with who you’re attracted to or what gender you feel you are and has everything to do with the militantly self-righteous, condescending, preachy, holier-than-thou attitude you run around with.
Sincerely,
A gay guy who doesn’t make it my whole personality
As a queer person I’ve read plenty of comments like these. It’s a common fallacious argument against liberatory movements that people who perpetuate the status quo use to defend their indifference to injustice by deflecting blame onto the people who call out their complicity. If you see veganism not as a lifestyle but as a movement for the libration of animals everything clicks.
FYI: This ☝️. This is why people don’t like vegans. It has nothing to do with your dietary choices or choosing to not use or consume products derived from animals - seriously, no one gives a shit; you do you. It has everything to do with the militantly self-righteous, condescending, preachy, holier-than-thou attitude, the constant proselytizing, and the demonizing/name-calling/general shitty behavior that comes with the former.
Sincerely,
A vegetarian who doesn’t make it my whole personality
Edit: Every single direct reply to this has further illustrated the point I was making. Maybe instead of being preachy and condescending, you just lead by good example. If people see and want what you have they’ll follow. Otherwise, you’re just shooting your own cause in the foot with your abominable behavior.
Good thing I don’t care what carnists (including vegetarians) think of me 🤷🏻♀️
Not everyone can afford to be vegan yknow?
So why don’t you get off your high horse privileged ass and consider that this vegetarian person is obviously trying to mitigate some damage by not eating meat.
Found the pick-me vegetarian.
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Vegans got some weird insults, I tell ya.
People hold strong, defensive opinions about all kinds of things, funny how you don’t react this way to those too.
It’s pure carnism defense mechanisms in action. If you ever wonder how MAGA supporters can be so detached from reality, remember you’re doing the same thing.
The truly self-righteous position is thinking you have a right to their bodies.
Isn’t similarly militant and self-righteous when someone feels this way about trans rights or abolishing slavery?
comparing slaves and trans people to animals is gross.
Why?
it’s how people justify slavery
But my point is that animals should not be treated “like animals” either. They should be included in the social contract and afforded a basic minimum of respect and autonomy, not enslaved and exploited.
treating animals like animals is absolutely appropriate
I put the phrase in quotes to indicate the meaning of treating someone poorly. Treating animals poorly is not appropriate.
opinions will vary on what constitutes poor treatment of an animal, but i think everyone would agree that “Treating animals poorly is not appropriate.”
Nooooo. I have to reduce veganism to a dietary preference instead of a rights movement so it’s easier to dismiss it because a vegan was annoying or whatever one time!
While i understand that it is human nature to not want to listen to people who are talking down to you, or who say things that make you feel bad about yourself and your choices, i don’t think “someone made me feel bad so I’m going to continue to destroy the planet” is a valid excuse to avoid reflecting on personal habits and their consequences.
But it’s a good reminder in how to speak to people. If youre dealing with someone in the maga cult you could try to say 1 liners at them but you probably aren’t going to get them to actually listen to you. Same applies to trying to talk to omnivores or vegetarians
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Quite ironic to read this during the war in Ukraine. /j
What’s the connection between the two?
As a queer person I’ve read plenty of comments like these. It’s a common fallacious argument against liberatory movements that people who perpetuate the status quo use to defend their indifference to injustice by deflecting blame onto the people who call out their complicity. If you see veganism not as a lifestyle but as a movement for the libration of animals everything clicks.
bohoo stop blaming our consumer habits that are destroying the planet
This 🙌
Always an excuse…