The illusion of a working system of communism is only believed by those who fall for the hype and pageantry made possible by those who stand to benefit from it. In this, it is every bit the same as it is for those that preach the glory of capitalism.
Think about it. Who is always trying to tell us that capitalism is our best option? Idiot Conservatives who have been brainwashed by their party, and those that run the party. And at the end of the day, what are those that benefit from the conservative party about?
Controlling the narrative to control the people.
And who is always trying to tell us that communism/socialism (forms of government that have failed time and again in other countries with a smaller population and GDP) is our best option, despite warnings from economists saying it will fail? Idiot communist kids that don’t know how shit works and can only argue a point from a mythological what-if scenario. And at the end of the day, what are those that benefit from the communist party about?
Controlling the people to control the narrative.
They both suck. The only difference is what illusion you’re willing to believe is beneficial to you.
Flame away.
And what are conservatives about? Now, who’s trying to have us believe that America would
They’re one and the same when it comes to to what matters.
Sounds like you’re describing authoritarianism to me.
Socialism, Communism, and even Capitalism are not inherently authoritarian.
Also, take a look into the history of CIA intervention on socialist governments. Unless you believe we brought “democracy” to them out of the kindness of our hearts.
But that doesn’t make any sense. Words mean things. When people say “communism”, they usually mean something more concrete than whatever you said. Usually it has to do with who owns the means of production.
Look at the OP and imagine this is ANY form of government and the same thing could be said.
Communist countries have neighborhoods. Traffic. Retirement homes….
It’s nonsense. Just because an argument can be made that capitalism sucks doesn’t mean a counter argument can’t be made that any other form of government sucks.
But this is lemmy, where we all see what we want to see, isn’t it?
But you’re the one who brought up communism. That’s like someone saying “Poison ivy sucks” and you’re like “Yeah, well, getting bit by bugs sucks”. Like, ok, maybe, but we weren’t talking about bugs. And now you won’t even tell us what bugs you’re talking about.
I feel like you think you’re being very clever, and maybe communicating your ideas, but it’s not coming across. I’ve gathered you have an idea of what communism means, and you don’t like it, but I’m not getting any specifics. If you’re trying to convey what you believe and maybe change people’s mind, your current approach isn’t working. If you’re not, then what are you trying to do?
I literally did as you asked. There’s no gotcha here. I’m just trying to ascertain whether or not you value democracy or not. That’s a crucial first step to understand why you have such a fundamental misunderstanding of communism. That’s all.
Should people in your opinion be allowed to freely murder one another without consequence?
I’m just trying to ascertain whether or not you can recognize a bad faith question when you are presented with one. It’s a crucial first step to understand why you have such a fundamental disrespect for people that disagree with your opinions.
My opinion of communism is not misunderstood. Nor does it have anything at all to do with one wanting to be ruled by kings.
What -is- communism to you?
The illusion of a working system of communism is only believed by those who fall for the hype and pageantry made possible by those who stand to benefit from it. In this, it is every bit the same as it is for those that preach the glory of capitalism.
Think about it. Who is always trying to tell us that capitalism is our best option? Idiot Conservatives who have been brainwashed by their party, and those that run the party. And at the end of the day, what are those that benefit from the conservative party about?
Controlling the narrative to control the people.
And who is always trying to tell us that communism/socialism (forms of government that have failed time and again in other countries with a smaller population and GDP) is our best option, despite warnings from economists saying it will fail? Idiot communist kids that don’t know how shit works and can only argue a point from a mythological what-if scenario. And at the end of the day, what are those that benefit from the communist party about?
Controlling the people to control the narrative.
They both suck. The only difference is what illusion you’re willing to believe is beneficial to you.
Flame away.
And what are conservatives about? Now, who’s trying to have us believe that America would
They’re one and the same when it comes to to what matters.
Do we have a Lemmy equivalent to iamverysmart because ffs…
You didn’t even come close to answering the question. You didn’t say anything about who owns and benefits from production.
Sounds like you’re describing authoritarianism to me.
Socialism, Communism, and even Capitalism are not inherently authoritarian.
Also, take a look into the history of CIA intervention on socialist governments. Unless you believe we brought “democracy” to them out of the kindness of our hearts.
And yet they are.
Good argument. I yield to you.
(/s just in case)
Didn’t answer the question.
Oh I did.
And your response is exactly what I expected. Thanks for playing.
This is a terrible definition that could be applied to any form of government the speaker dislikes.
Imagine that. It’s almost like you get what I’m trying to say.
But that doesn’t make any sense. Words mean things. When people say “communism”, they usually mean something more concrete than whatever you said. Usually it has to do with who owns the means of production.
Look at the OP and imagine this is ANY form of government and the same thing could be said.
Communist countries have neighborhoods. Traffic. Retirement homes….
It’s nonsense. Just because an argument can be made that capitalism sucks doesn’t mean a counter argument can’t be made that any other form of government sucks.
But this is lemmy, where we all see what we want to see, isn’t it?
But you’re the one who brought up communism. That’s like someone saying “Poison ivy sucks” and you’re like “Yeah, well, getting bit by bugs sucks”. Like, ok, maybe, but we weren’t talking about bugs. And now you won’t even tell us what bugs you’re talking about.
I feel like you think you’re being very clever, and maybe communicating your ideas, but it’s not coming across. I’ve gathered you have an idea of what communism means, and you don’t like it, but I’m not getting any specifics. If you’re trying to convey what you believe and maybe change people’s mind, your current approach isn’t working. If you’re not, then what are you trying to do?
Come on, eli5 communism. I want to know what these idiot youth are imagining, not your opinion about it.
Simple question here. No gotcha: Do you believe that people deserve to be ruled by kings?
I find the choice to use the word “deserve” to be a bait into the very “gotcha” you’re claiming to not be trying.
Reword that to what you’re actually trying to get at, and I’ll bite.
Should people, in your opinion, be ruled by kings?
I’m done entering bad faith questions in this thread.
I literally did as you asked. There’s no gotcha here. I’m just trying to ascertain whether or not you value democracy or not. That’s a crucial first step to understand why you have such a fundamental misunderstanding of communism. That’s all.
Fair enough…
Should people in your opinion be allowed to freely murder one another without consequence?
I’m just trying to ascertain whether or not you can recognize a bad faith question when you are presented with one. It’s a crucial first step to understand why you have such a fundamental disrespect for people that disagree with your opinions.
My opinion of communism is not misunderstood. Nor does it have anything at all to do with one wanting to be ruled by kings.