The oath clearly states you’ll follow legal orders of the officers above you. I would like to think when I was in the military I would refuse to follow these illegal orders. In reality I have no idea what I would do. It would be a long legal battle and potentially life ruining event to do the right thing.
Yep, exactly the same. The military has its own set of laws called the Uniform Code of Military Justice. You can be court martialed for breaking the UCMJ.
If they are acting illegally, they could in theory face state charges for assault and battery. In theory. Because they have no arrest powers. Maybe. Right? That’s the tricky point.
So they would have to be super confident to not find out the scope of their authority.
The USMC has a chain of command whose job it is to know this shit. They let those Marines down and have stained the honor of the Corps.
The writing has been on the wall since at least last February or whenever it was trump replaced so much of the DoD top brass. This was always what - in his first term he tried to send troops to Oregon and the DoD correctly told him “no”. Those people are replaced with scum who don’t mind violating the Posse Comitatus Act.
Yeah, for most things. But when it comes to fighting your own citizens, it feels pretty cut and dry. But again, this is easy for me to say now that I’m not wearing the uniform anymore.
I appreciate your honesty. People make it sound so easy to do the right thing but when you’re in a group like the military where conformity is pretty much a matter of life and death, it’s like a very hard decision to make.
Thank you for being honest about it. A different thread over the same topic people were saying it’s very simple and military should be able to easily disobey these illegal orders. Reality is much different. I know it’s very scary to potentially throw your life away to do the right thing and no one can truly say what they would do in this type of situation without actually living it.
Yeah, you’re talking about potentially getting a dishonorable discharge making it super hard to get another good job and potentially going to military prison. It’s an insanely hard situation to be in. The guilt you’ll live with for following orders or having life long economic ruin. I’m just so glad I’m not in the military anymore.
The oath clearly states you’ll follow legal orders of the officers above you. I would like to think when I was in the military I would refuse to follow these illegal orders. In reality I have no idea what I would do. It would be a long legal battle and potentially life ruining event to do the right thing.
In my country there’s a thing called court martial. I guess it’s the same in the US. So if a soldier disobeys it’ll probably be that.
Yep, exactly the same. The military has its own set of laws called the Uniform Code of Military Justice. You can be court martialed for breaking the UCMJ.
There does exist a hotline to call if you’re being given illegal orders, at least.
What good is it when they’re doing it live on television?
The hotline is for service members if they are directly given an illegal order, not for civilians to report service members.
Right. And again, they’re already carrying out those orders in front of the entire world.
Who does the complaint go to that isn’t already well aware?
Yeah, I would have definitely called it. However, far too many people are too proud to reach out for help.
Soldiers aren’t lawyers either. So you’d have to be super confident in your knowledge of the law to risk discharge or imprisonment.
If they are acting illegally, they could in theory face state charges for assault and battery. In theory. Because they have no arrest powers. Maybe. Right? That’s the tricky point.
So they would have to be super confident to not find out the scope of their authority.
The USMC has a chain of command whose job it is to know this shit. They let those Marines down and have stained the honor of the Corps.
The writing has been on the wall since at least last February or whenever it was trump replaced so much of the DoD top brass. This was always what - in his first term he tried to send troops to Oregon and the DoD correctly told him “no”. Those people are replaced with scum who don’t mind violating the Posse Comitatus Act.
Yeah, for most things. But when it comes to fighting your own citizens, it feels pretty cut and dry. But again, this is easy for me to say now that I’m not wearing the uniform anymore.
I appreciate your honesty. People make it sound so easy to do the right thing but when you’re in a group like the military where conformity is pretty much a matter of life and death, it’s like a very hard decision to make.
Thank you for being honest about it. A different thread over the same topic people were saying it’s very simple and military should be able to easily disobey these illegal orders. Reality is much different. I know it’s very scary to potentially throw your life away to do the right thing and no one can truly say what they would do in this type of situation without actually living it.
Yeah, you’re talking about potentially getting a dishonorable discharge making it super hard to get another good job and potentially going to military prison. It’s an insanely hard situation to be in. The guilt you’ll live with for following orders or having life long economic ruin. I’m just so glad I’m not in the military anymore.
Right, and on the other hand they are risking state prison.
“Be a good little crayon eater, maggot, and do as you’re told unless you want to end up in there with them.” -Commanding officer, probably
I mean the oath is to defend the constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic and then gets into obeying orders.