This website is collectively completely deluded. Every thread on this topic I see people (I’m assuming tankies and/or actual Hamas supporters) fantasizing about Iran destroying Israel with is… just laughable from an objective PoV.
I despise the Israeli government but regardless of my feelings towards them, their military is so much more advanced than Iran’s, it’s not even comparable. And they have the backstop of a US carrier group, in case something does go wrong.
Unfortunately it’s all feelings and no facts on this website. Makes it really hard to actually engage with people.
Rant in agreement, not directed at you: I got banned from /c/progressivepolitics for sharing a dozen reputable links with the most obvious history of Iran in the last 50 years. Fuck Iran. Fuck their government. Fuck bigotry. Fuck classsism. And fuck you antisemites looking for any enemy of the Jews to cheer on. You’re transparent, full of shit and argue in bad faith. Best case this place is flooded with Russian bots. You know, the ones pushing the Ukraine with the Jewish leader are the Nazis, Russians? And now the Jews, who Russians fucking adore, are the Nazis everywhere. Jfc. Clearly Israel’s regime and Likud are fucking deplorable. Don’t pretend you care about Palestinians more than an excuse to pipe up about the Jews. I fucking hate this site. I think I’m done. Siding with fucking Iran?!?! On anything?! The West should fucking level their nuclear infrastructure and pull a Nicaragua on their government if Israel doesn’t succeed first. Fuck that shithole terrorist funding country. Bc we care about rehoming all the exiled Persians, right? Bc the migrants? Right? Bc we care about them no matter where they’re from, right? So women can wear bikinis and get doctorates, right? So people can be gay and practice the religion they want, right? Disingenuous bullshit motherfuckers on here. Rot in hell you Nazi tanky bootlicking fucks and fuck you fake leftist preachy privileged little shits. Iran is not good. They have lots of enemies that are as shitty as them, but only the Jews getting you cheering for Iran.
Read a fucking history book or a fucking news article from literally less than a year ago, and see who you’re cheering, you ignorant cunts.
All empires eventually collapse, and an empire is like a large cake, most easily diminished at the edges. Israel will fall sooner or later, like the Crusader states and like French colonization in Algeria. It took 198 years for the Crusader states to fall, 132 years for Algeria to be liberated from brutal French colonialism. We may all be long dead when it happens but it will happen.
I know nothing about defense and everything I learned, I did so at NCD, but doesn’t Iran have like 88 million people and Israel just 9 million, and Iran has like six times Israel’s active personnel? Iirc they’re one of the largest armies in ME.
Then again, just by sheer numbers Russia was supposed to overrun Ukraine, 1M dead later and they’re still where they started plus few towns charred to the bone.
To get from Iran to Israel, the Iranian soldiers would have to cross Iraq (and Jordan) or Syria, both very unfriendly countries full of mountainous terrain. Not a viable ground invasion whatsoever!
The puppet regimes of Jordan and Egypt won’t last forever. When they fall, the settlers will find themselves up against over 200 million Arabs in their immediate vicinity.
Iran has many remote areas that are populated. Their military equipment is decades behind, and Israel gets all their equipment from the US.
The comparison here is very stark; in a single strike Israel managed to cripple Iran’s nuclear program, kill a lot of leadership that has been around since their revolution, and completely eradicate all of their radar and early warning systems on the West side of the country.
The best response Iran has? Just over 100 drones. Most of them got shot down before they even reached Israel.
Israel gets a free pass on bullying anyone they see fit in the Middle East.
And by “bullying anyone” you mean active countermeasures against the party, which FOR YEARS has been suggesting to wipe the country off the globe, and was aiming to create nuclear weapons just for that.
How “convenient” of you to skip the public death wishes before being neutralized. 💁
The amount of people willing to die for this regime is much much smaller.
16% are Azerí, 10% Kurds and 2% Balochi, all groups who would rather die than fight for the IRI.
Not that this would stop the IRI from pressing 15 year olds into service, but there wouldn’t be many volunteers.
Yes sure they will side with Israel literally indiscriminately killing Iranians regardless on how they feel about the Iranian nationality . This is so stupid
This isn’t about siding with anyone. You’re putting words in my mouth. I never said the majority would not take up arms, I said there are groups who are ikely not to pick up arms.
There is no Iranian nationality, there is a core of Persian Iranians, who are considered the only Iranians and then there are peripheral groups. Those groups neither feel Iranian, nor do they like the central government.
By comparison, a large amount of Israelis are ultra-religious nutjobs that refuse to join their army. And of course many of them have european and american passports and houses in the west to flee to. Colonialism pays. Iran has the right on their side, their people will certainly put their backs into it to a greater degree than Israel.
Ukraine regularly reports Russian casualties and destroyed equipment. The Russian casualty number ticked over 1M a few days ago. I’m guessing ‘casualty’ got lost in translation at some point and turned into ‘killed’. I do see people making this mistake a lot with casualties, which is both killed and wounded.
So the source is Ukraine? That does not seem like a particularly reliable source for this, particularly given some of the impossibly high numbers present on that graph.
You can’t trust any number when it come to conflicts but will minimize the number of their casualities and overexageratr thr casuality of the other side
It’s not just their total disconnect from history (were they born yesterday?), it’s their translating scorn for Israel’s actions in the region to mean that Israel’s opponents must be the good guys.
Iran has been under the control of two different mullahs for the last 45 years. Just because the Shah was bad doesn’t make the Ayatollahs good.
Hamas and Hezbollah are literally terrorist organizations, and Hamas holds onto power in Gaza by oppression and violence. If they both weren’t getting massive support from Iran, there might be a negotiating partner for Israel in Palestine like Arafat was.
Without Iran’s support, Russia would be failing much faster in Ukraine as well.
Iran has been under the control of two different mullahs for the last 45 years.
And to gain that control, they blatantly lied in 1979 and told everyone they supported democracy and would not be involved in government. They KNEW that people wanted freedom and democracy and so they just lied about it to gain control.
Without Iran’s support, Russia would be failing much faster in Ukraine as well.
One good thing about this is that Iran will have much fewer drones left to give to Putin to kill Ukranians.
“terrorist organizations” by the designation of countries who currently commit or support the committment of genocide. Of course states and their militaries committing acts of terror somehow don’t end in a designation as “terrorist organizations”
Meanwhile Israel is arming gangs with ISIS ties in Gaza to pillage humanitarian aid, while the Hamas “terrorists” try to defend that aid.
However none of the states that designate Hamas as “terrorist organization” will give Israel consequences for being a “terrorist supporter” despite arming “terrorists” with ISIS ties. ISIS that has committed terror attacks in the countries allied to Israel, which neither Hamas nor Hezbollah have done.
Unfortunately it’s all feelings and no facts on this website.
Which social website do you know that is all facts and no feelings, please tell me, I wanna move there. And make it decentralized too, so no bozo can buy it tomorrow and make it shit too.
PS: got some quotes from reddit that show what people who think just like you think of other websites:
DigitalDash56 [score hidden] 2 minutes ago
Twitter is funny. Apparently Tel Aviv is smoldering crater and the state of Israel is a mere hours from collapsing
[–]tigernike1 [score hidden] a minute ago
That’s what Reddit says about Iran. Neither are true.
Look man, people just want to experience a little optimism and fantasize about good things happening in the world. We don’t care if it is realistic or not. It keeps hope alive.
Better than being a hopeless doomer about everything.
a little optimism and fantasize about good things happening in the world.
Well if the dictatorship is overthrown in Iran, that would be fantastically great. If Israel also gets rid of its terrible PM, that would be good too. Maybe both the people of Iran and Israel can both come out winners.
By allowing people to relieve some stress and engage in a little revolutionary optimism every now and then, even if it is far fetched and not realistic, so that people can retain their mental health and remember what it feels like to actually have hope about something in this shithole of a world we find ourselves.
You can’t change anything if you don’t have hope for a brighter future. This builds hope, even if it has to reach for it.
Not everything at every waking moment needs to be analyzed in depth. At this current moment, none of us could affect the outcome of this situation anyway, so let people fantasize.
Never said it would, but neither will you being a wet blanket to people who are just trying to make the best of a shit situation that they cannot affect in any materially significant way at this current moment.
And FYI, that “magical thinking”, does help bring change. A movement without hope is a movement that is doomed to fail. Look up “revolutionary optimism” and its importance for keeping up morale.
The easiest way to break an army is to break their spirits. If yours is already broken, then you are no help to anyone.
This website is collectively completely deluded. Every thread on this topic I see people (I’m assuming tankies and/or actual Hamas supporters) fantasizing about Iran destroying Israel with is… just laughable from an objective PoV.
I despise the Israeli government but regardless of my feelings towards them, their military is so much more advanced than Iran’s, it’s not even comparable. And they have the backstop of a US carrier group, in case something does go wrong.
Unfortunately it’s all feelings and no facts on this website. Makes it really hard to actually engage with people.
Rant in agreement, not directed at you: I got banned from /c/progressivepolitics for sharing a dozen reputable links with the most obvious history of Iran in the last 50 years. Fuck Iran. Fuck their government. Fuck bigotry. Fuck classsism. And fuck you antisemites looking for any enemy of the Jews to cheer on. You’re transparent, full of shit and argue in bad faith. Best case this place is flooded with Russian bots. You know, the ones pushing the Ukraine with the Jewish leader are the Nazis, Russians? And now the Jews, who Russians fucking adore, are the Nazis everywhere. Jfc. Clearly Israel’s regime and Likud are fucking deplorable. Don’t pretend you care about Palestinians more than an excuse to pipe up about the Jews. I fucking hate this site. I think I’m done. Siding with fucking Iran?!?! On anything?! The West should fucking level their nuclear infrastructure and pull a Nicaragua on their government if Israel doesn’t succeed first. Fuck that shithole terrorist funding country. Bc we care about rehoming all the exiled Persians, right? Bc the migrants? Right? Bc we care about them no matter where they’re from, right? So women can wear bikinis and get doctorates, right? So people can be gay and practice the religion they want, right? Disingenuous bullshit motherfuckers on here. Rot in hell you Nazi tanky bootlicking fucks and fuck you fake leftist preachy privileged little shits. Iran is not good. They have lots of enemies that are as shitty as them, but only the Jews getting you cheering for Iran. Read a fucking history book or a fucking news article from literally less than a year ago, and see who you’re cheering, you ignorant cunts.
All empires eventually collapse, and an empire is like a large cake, most easily diminished at the edges. Israel will fall sooner or later, like the Crusader states and like French colonization in Algeria. It took 198 years for the Crusader states to fall, 132 years for Algeria to be liberated from brutal French colonialism. We may all be long dead when it happens but it will happen.
You realize Lemmy is a network of federated servers right? Like, I’m not on the same website as you but you’re reading my message.
A lot of people don’t, they just know it’s where to go when you get fed up with reddit
I know nothing about defense and everything I learned, I did so at NCD, but doesn’t Iran have like 88 million people and Israel just 9 million, and Iran has like six times Israel’s active personnel? Iirc they’re one of the largest armies in ME.
Then again, just by sheer numbers Russia was supposed to overrun Ukraine, 1M dead later and they’re still where they started plus few towns charred to the bone.
Perhaps this map will help:
To get from Iran to Israel, the Iranian soldiers would have to cross Iraq (and Jordan) or Syria, both very unfriendly countries full of mountainous terrain. Not a viable ground invasion whatsoever!
The puppet regimes of Jordan and Egypt won’t last forever. When they fall, the settlers will find themselves up against over 200 million Arabs in their immediate vicinity.
Iran’s standing forces are kind of irrelevant without a way to get them to Israel.
The regime will only have a chance to fsll if israel is the one sending on ground troops
Iran has many remote areas that are populated. Their military equipment is decades behind, and Israel gets all their equipment from the US.
The comparison here is very stark; in a single strike Israel managed to cripple Iran’s nuclear program, kill a lot of leadership that has been around since their revolution, and completely eradicate all of their radar and early warning systems on the West side of the country.
The best response Iran has? Just over 100 drones. Most of them got shot down before they even reached Israel.
Israel gets a free pass on bullying anyone they see fit in the Middle East.
And by “bullying anyone” you mean active countermeasures against the party, which FOR YEARS has been suggesting to wipe the country off the globe, and was aiming to create nuclear weapons just for that.
How “convenient” of you to skip the public death wishes before being neutralized. 💁
/S
Iran has 82 million inhabitants.
The amount of people willing to die for this regime is much much smaller. 16% are Azerí, 10% Kurds and 2% Balochi, all groups who would rather die than fight for the IRI. Not that this would stop the IRI from pressing 15 year olds into service, but there wouldn’t be many volunteers.
They don’t have to like the Iranian government to want to fight against Israel attacking them
You are delusional that most iranians won’t defend their country just because the regime is evil
Just listed you 3 major groups who do not see themselves as Iranian, because the country doesn’t do that either.
The Supreme Leader is Azeri though.
Yes sure they will side with Israel literally indiscriminately killing Iranians regardless on how they feel about the Iranian nationality . This is so stupid
This isn’t about siding with anyone. You’re putting words in my mouth. I never said the majority would not take up arms, I said there are groups who are ikely not to pick up arms.
There is no Iranian nationality, there is a core of Persian Iranians, who are considered the only Iranians and then there are peripheral groups. Those groups neither feel Iranian, nor do they like the central government.
true. there was almost certainly a lot of inside help getting attack drones near the sites hit on Friday.
There was aways collaborators and traitors in every war and conflict
By comparison, a large amount of Israelis are ultra-religious nutjobs that refuse to join their army. And of course many of them have european and american passports and houses in the west to flee to. Colonialism pays. Iran has the right on their side, their people will certainly put their backs into it to a greater degree than Israel.
That is an extremely implausible number. Where in the world did you hear it?
Ukraine regularly reports Russian casualties and destroyed equipment. The Russian casualty number ticked over 1M a few days ago. I’m guessing ‘casualty’ got lost in translation at some point and turned into ‘killed’. I do see people making this mistake a lot with casualties, which is both killed and wounded.
You can’t believe any side 100% when it come to casualities
So the source is Ukraine? That does not seem like a particularly reliable source for this, particularly given some of the impossibly high numbers present on that graph.
You can’t trust any number when it come to conflicts but will minimize the number of their casualities and overexageratr thr casuality of the other side
They didn’t say Iran was going to singlehandedly do it
Realistically, it well be climate change that does them in, not a military conflict.
It’s not just their total disconnect from history (were they born yesterday?), it’s their translating scorn for Israel’s actions in the region to mean that Israel’s opponents must be the good guys.
Iran has been under the control of two different mullahs for the last 45 years. Just because the Shah was bad doesn’t make the Ayatollahs good.
Hamas and Hezbollah are literally terrorist organizations, and Hamas holds onto power in Gaza by oppression and violence. If they both weren’t getting massive support from Iran, there might be a negotiating partner for Israel in Palestine like Arafat was.
Without Iran’s support, Russia would be failing much faster in Ukraine as well.
Maybe Iran has an interest in helping Russia because of shit like this: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/zelenskyy-wants-ukraine-to-be-a-big-israel-heres-a-road-map/
Nelson Mandela was literally a terrorist too.
And to gain that control, they blatantly lied in 1979 and told everyone they supported democracy and would not be involved in government. They KNEW that people wanted freedom and democracy and so they just lied about it to gain control.
One good thing about this is that Iran will have much fewer drones left to give to Putin to kill Ukranians.
Russia assembles the Iranian-designed drones locally
Israel is literally a terrorist country.
“terrorist organizations” by the designation of countries who currently commit or support the committment of genocide. Of course states and their militaries committing acts of terror somehow don’t end in a designation as “terrorist organizations”
Meanwhile Israel is arming gangs with ISIS ties in Gaza to pillage humanitarian aid, while the Hamas “terrorists” try to defend that aid.
However none of the states that designate Hamas as “terrorist organization” will give Israel consequences for being a “terrorist supporter” despite arming “terrorists” with ISIS ties. ISIS that has committed terror attacks in the countries allied to Israel, which neither Hamas nor Hezbollah have done.
Yeah that isn’t the flex you think it is
Maybe you can explain what you thought the flex was.
I don’t debate Zionists, they don’t argue in good faith.
Hypocrisy suits you.
Hypocrisy is supporting terrorist Israel
Yeah the entire discourse about this conflict here is even more stupider than on reddit
I don’t believe anyone is saying Iran is capable of doing it, just that it’d be a good day when it finally does happen.
Israel has all the best toys from their sugar-daddy America. Of course a handful of out-dated Iranian drones won’t do shit.
In the last 24 hours I had the pleasure of interacting with multiple users who are 100% sure Iran is stronger than Israel.
Which social website do you know that is all facts and no feelings, please tell me, I wanna move there. And make it decentralized too, so no bozo can buy it tomorrow and make it shit too.
PS: got some quotes from reddit that show what people who think just like you think of other websites:
Look man, people just want to experience a little optimism and fantasize about good things happening in the world. We don’t care if it is realistic or not. It keeps hope alive.
Better than being a hopeless doomer about everything.
Well if the dictatorship is overthrown in Iran, that would be fantastically great. If Israel also gets rid of its terrible PM, that would be good too. Maybe both the people of Iran and Israel can both come out winners.
How can any change happen if there is only a limited willingness to perveive reality and analyze it?
By allowing people to relieve some stress and engage in a little revolutionary optimism every now and then, even if it is far fetched and not realistic, so that people can retain their mental health and remember what it feels like to actually have hope about something in this shithole of a world we find ourselves.
You can’t change anything if you don’t have hope for a brighter future. This builds hope, even if it has to reach for it.
Not everything at every waking moment needs to be analyzed in depth. At this current moment, none of us could affect the outcome of this situation anyway, so let people fantasize.
Magical thinking won’t save us.
Never said it would, but neither will you being a wet blanket to people who are just trying to make the best of a shit situation that they cannot affect in any materially significant way at this current moment.
And FYI, that “magical thinking”, does help bring change. A movement without hope is a movement that is doomed to fail. Look up “revolutionary optimism” and its importance for keeping up morale.
The easiest way to break an army is to break their spirits. If yours is already broken, then you are no help to anyone.
it’s an excuse for extremists to indulge conspiracy fantasies and hate jews openly
You don’t have to be an extremist to hate them…
Fuck Israel.
Its crazy right? I’m so tired of reddit alternatives being taken over by lunatics. So tired man.
Plenty of lunatics on Reddit though too.
Go back to r/worldnews
Said the one supporting a terrorist state oppresing palestinians for 57 years
I don’t support Israel you absolute weirdo.
Yeh sure israel suppoter
You fail to realize all of the countries Israel has been attacking working together, like how Germany fell. It’s just a matter of time.
Anyways. You’re free to leave.
Oh sure, Iran is super popular in the region. I’m sure all their allies will be riding to their defense any day now.
Oh don’t get me wrong. Fuck Iran. But fuck Israel too. They have been attacking everybody around them.
The only valid critisism of iran is the regime oppresing it’s people. Iran did nothing wrong to other