Security camera footage accessed and verified by the Associated Press showed Air India flight 171 bound for London taking off and crashing into a medical college in the northwestern city of Ahmedabad on Thursday, killing more than 180 people in one of India's worst airline disasters in decades.
Yeah, it’s rather strange. There is another one from a perspective where the aircraft almost “overflew” the cameraman (basically at a 5’o clock angle)- it shows them having aileron and elevator control right until they crash. And while the quality is poor, I am somewhat convinced that the RAT has not deployed (yet?)
A bird strike would likely have caused something visible
So it doesn’t sound like hydraulics or fuel(water in the fueltanks?) or something electronic wise with the engine control.
Strange and sad.
I just saw that video and it is really strange. Not so much that rat hasn’t been deployed, I don’t think they lost hydraulics or electronics and I’m not sure they even reached the minimum speed where the rat would really help.
The strange thing is that it didn’t really look like there was very much yaw or rolling which you would expect to see with a fuel system failure. They seemed to be flying straight as an arrow and gliding it down?
Maybe something wrong with thrust control? Kinda crazy.
I don’t know for sure, but I imagine all airports have a bunch of cameras. To me it looks like it was a wider shot and someone went and focused on it through the NVR.
Yeah,I am not sure if there is a safety interlock with Boeing RATs(and the video is really bad)…so it might be intentional.
It’s strange.
Personally I currently go with water in the fuel system as the “most likely guess by a armchair pilot”(me),but wouldn’t also be surprised being it an electronic error. When that would be the case Boeing would be fucked beyond repair,imho.
Something wrong with the fuel system was my initial armchair guess, but I’m not so sure based off the second vid. One would expect to see some yaw or rolling in an underpowered or lost of power take off with a jet.
Guess we’ll have to wait until someone more qualified explains it.
Why are you idiots even putting me in the position of defending Boeing lmao. Yes I’m aware of all the problems the Dreamliner had, alleged and in practical use. But none of them can explain what happened to the Air India flight.
The problems Barnett brought to attention don’t give you a double engine rollback immediately after rotation.
No.
Faults often don’t get detected early,need certain circumstances (swiss cheese model) or quite simply, are caused by replacement parts.
There is a long chain of things that could fall into Boeing responsibility - and even if it doesn’t the market does not always react reasonably.
We will see I suppose. Your last sentence is most certainly true in any case but I will stand by the fact that after 13 years a mechanical problem will much more likely be due to bad maintenance- especially given AIs difficult track record in that regard.
Yeah, absolutely, AI has issues- that’s why I narrowed my “Boeings fa**ult” down to electronics/software. There isn’t too much maintenance they can fuck up in that department that can kill both engines(afaik).
In other parts like fuel,fuel distribution,etc? Totally different.
My bet is still on sometimes with the fuel, though. Maybe water in the fuel.
Yeah, it’s rather strange. There is another one from a perspective where the aircraft almost “overflew” the cameraman (basically at a 5’o clock angle)- it shows them having aileron and elevator control right until they crash. And while the quality is poor, I am somewhat convinced that the RAT has not deployed (yet?)
A bird strike would likely have caused something visible So it doesn’t sound like hydraulics or fuel(water in the fueltanks?) or something electronic wise with the engine control. Strange and sad.
I just saw that video and it is really strange. Not so much that rat hasn’t been deployed, I don’t think they lost hydraulics or electronics and I’m not sure they even reached the minimum speed where the rat would really help.
The strange thing is that it didn’t really look like there was very much yaw or rolling which you would expect to see with a fuel system failure. They seemed to be flying straight as an arrow and gliding it down?
Maybe something wrong with thrust control? Kinda crazy.
Is it common for CCTV to track and follow all planes as they take off like the camera in this video seems to be?
I think that’s editing, rather than something the camera did.
You can see a mouse cursor in the video. Someone is manually zooming in and following the plane, likely while reviewing the footage.
Ah, OK yeah that makes sense.
I don’t know for sure, but I imagine all airports have a bunch of cameras. To me it looks like it was a wider shot and someone went and focused on it through the NVR.
Yeah,I am not sure if there is a safety interlock with Boeing RATs(and the video is really bad)…so it might be intentional.
It’s strange. Personally I currently go with water in the fuel system as the “most likely guess by a armchair pilot”(me),but wouldn’t also be surprised being it an electronic error. When that would be the case Boeing would be fucked beyond repair,imho.
Something wrong with the fuel system was my initial armchair guess, but I’m not so sure based off the second vid. One would expect to see some yaw or rolling in an underpowered or lost of power take off with a jet.
Guess we’ll have to wait until someone more qualified explains it.
Dude the plane is 13 years old. If there was a mechanical problem with the plane its on Air India, and I say that as a certified Airbus fanboy.
John Barnett said that the corner cutting during construction would culminate in a crash after 10 to 12 years.
https://prospect.org/economy/2025-06-12-dreamliner-gave-boeing-manager-nightmares-just-crashed-air-india/
Why are you idiots even putting me in the position of defending Boeing lmao. Yes I’m aware of all the problems the Dreamliner had, alleged and in practical use. But none of them can explain what happened to the Air India flight.
The problems Barnett brought to attention don’t give you a double engine rollback immediately after rotation.
No. Faults often don’t get detected early,need certain circumstances (swiss cheese model) or quite simply, are caused by replacement parts. There is a long chain of things that could fall into Boeing responsibility - and even if it doesn’t the market does not always react reasonably.
We will see I suppose. Your last sentence is most certainly true in any case but I will stand by the fact that after 13 years a mechanical problem will much more likely be due to bad maintenance- especially given AIs difficult track record in that regard.
Yeah, absolutely, AI has issues- that’s why I narrowed my “Boeings fa**ult” down to electronics/software. There isn’t too much maintenance they can fuck up in that department that can kill both engines(afaik). In other parts like fuel,fuel distribution,etc? Totally different.
My bet is still on sometimes with the fuel, though. Maybe water in the fuel.
My suspicion is fuel contamination as well. Just terrible all around. Hope we get some facts from the investigation rather soon.
is it going fast enough for the RAT to deploy?