Except their actions aren’t illegal. And what does accountable mean? Cos from what I’ve seen accountable means death threats to the individual and their families.
Kinda like what the protesters deal with? Force needs to meets force with equal measures or it is overrun. You don’t deal with fascism by laying down and playing dead.
Not sure how u are comparing deportation to death threats? Are u advocating for literally fighting the federal government with force? Cos if so that is by definition a rebellion or at a minimum of an attempted rebellion. You do realise by saying this you have met the requirements for the president to call in the national guard without the governors approval.
“10 U.S.C. 12406,” within Title 10 of the U.S. Code on Armed Services. It allows the president to deploy federal troops in instances of “a rebellion or danger of a rebellion” against the U.S. government.
U yourself just provided evidence to support the use of federal troops.
May I suggest reading a history book? “Lies My Teacher Told Me” is excellent. “A People’s History of the United States” is also great. Or, maybe you would like to understand how you’ve been manipulated. Well, cool, maybe “Manufacturing Consent.”
One of the significant contradictions of democracy in the US is that it was largely shaped by various forms of illegal civil disobedience against entrenched power structures. Such civil disobedience is retrospectively seen as justified, committed by people who are retrospectively seen as heroes. But each successive generation is demanded to believe that any further civil disobedience is unreasonable.
Just a small selection of a long history of US civil disobedience:
Boston Tea Party
Great Railroad Strike
Haymarket affair
Battle of Blair Mountain - largest armed insurrection in America since the Civil War
Selma to Montgomery Marches
There is a lot we get to take for granted from our comfortable, privileged perches built with the blood and tears of those who would perform civil disobedience.
What is your sentiments on the looting of the capital on January 6th then? By that logic they should all be in jail for life for such a substantial escalation relatively speaking.
That’s not a comparison you want made. Maybe life might be a bit harsh but they should all have gotten long sentences. Not to mention that the jan6 rioters where more peaceful than these rioters. Ohh and jan6 happened because trump didn’t/was blocked from calling in the national guard to protect the city. So ur right but this doesn’t help your case.
Trump was acting president on January 6th. The event that the insurrectionists were there to stop was the ratification of the election naming Joe Biden as the President starting on January 20th.
Trump made the decision to not call in the National guard to help stop the insurrection which if carried out would have most likely left Trump in power.
Dude, you’re a muppet if you think everything he has done is within the law. The only reason he is getting away with breaking the law is because the only check is the legislature’s power of impeachment and it has been captured by the fascists.
10 U.S. Code § 12406 - National Guard In Federal Service
(3): […] Orders for these purposes shall be issued through the governors of the states
Trump specifically did not engage with Newsom in commandeering CA National Guard troops.
18 U.S. Code § 1385 - Use of Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force, and Space Force as posse comitatus
Whoever, except in cases and under the circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army, the Navy, the Marine Corps, the Air Force, or the Space Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.
Using the military for ICE enforcement is against the law.
“10 U.S.C. 12406,” within Title 10 of the U.S. Code on Armed Services. It allows the president to deploy federal troops in instances of “a rebellion or danger of a rebellion” against the U.S. government. Doesn’t need an invasion just needs danger of a rebellion. Attempting to murder federal officers and attempting to directly subvert the will of the federal government is by definition a rebellious act.
Where has the supreme court ruled that this deployment is illegal? Can u point me to it please?
B-b-but whatabout all the rich people’s stuff 👉👈 🥺? Someday, I could have all of that rich people stuff and that could be my stuff on fire and that would make me so sad!
The breakdown of the law is the breakdown of the law who cares who’s stuff it is. That’s also ignore the brick throwing (also known as assault with a deadly weapon)
You absolutely correct. Breakdown of the law has been a problem in the US since the hard bank right into fascism. But I am way less bothered by throwing bricks at the cosplaying nazis and way more bothered by the unitary executive bullshit. We should have a president, which should be a glorified administrator working for the legislature. Not a king that ignores the law. If we need to burn some of the oligarchy’s shit to remind the orange asshole of this, so be it.
The execute bullshit is a legal power granted to the president. The brick throwing is literally assault with a deadly weapon I don’t see how u can justify that. It doesn’t matter what u think the president should be it matters what the laws of the country state that the president is. What laws are being broken in the case of la (well except the rioters)?
Good idea maybe the protesters should stop wearing masks to hide from being accountable for their illegal actions.
Maybe the ICE officers should also stop wearing masks to hide from being accountable for their illegal actions.
Except their actions aren’t illegal. And what does accountable mean? Cos from what I’ve seen accountable means death threats to the individual and their families.
Kinda like what the protesters deal with? Force needs to meets force with equal measures or it is overrun. You don’t deal with fascism by laying down and playing dead.
Not sure how u are comparing deportation to death threats? Are u advocating for literally fighting the federal government with force? Cos if so that is by definition a rebellion or at a minimum of an attempted rebellion. You do realise by saying this you have met the requirements for the president to call in the national guard without the governors approval.
“10 U.S.C. 12406,” within Title 10 of the U.S. Code on Armed Services. It allows the president to deploy federal troops in instances of “a rebellion or danger of a rebellion” against the U.S. government.
U yourself just provided evidence to support the use of federal troops.
May I suggest reading a history book? “Lies My Teacher Told Me” is excellent. “A People’s History of the United States” is also great. Or, maybe you would like to understand how you’ve been manipulated. Well, cool, maybe “Manufacturing Consent.”
One of the significant contradictions of democracy in the US is that it was largely shaped by various forms of illegal civil disobedience against entrenched power structures. Such civil disobedience is retrospectively seen as justified, committed by people who are retrospectively seen as heroes. But each successive generation is demanded to believe that any further civil disobedience is unreasonable.
Just a small selection of a long history of US civil disobedience:
There is a lot we get to take for granted from our comfortable, privileged perches built with the blood and tears of those who would perform civil disobedience.
Say it louder for those in the back!
Is this rage bait? Has to be.
Protesting isn’t illegal, but y’all treating it like it is.
Throwing bricks, looting, and setting cars on fire is tho.
So is shooting non-combatant reporters doing their job. You get what you pay for.
What is your sentiments on the looting of the capital on January 6th then? By that logic they should all be in jail for life for such a substantial escalation relatively speaking.
That’s not a comparison you want made. Maybe life might be a bit harsh but they should all have gotten long sentences. Not to mention that the jan6 rioters where more peaceful than these rioters. Ohh and jan6 happened because trump didn’t/was blocked from calling in the national guard to protect the city. So ur right but this doesn’t help your case.
How many LAPD officers have been killed so far? Thought so. Peaceful my ass, give yer balls a tug there fella.
Trump wasn’t allowed to call the national guard because he wasn’t president anymore you moron.
Trump was acting president on January 6th. The event that the insurrectionists were there to stop was the ratification of the election naming Joe Biden as the President starting on January 20th.
Trump made the decision to not call in the National guard to help stop the insurrection which if carried out would have most likely left Trump in power.
You sure seem more concerned about isolated incidents than the blatant abuse of power.
The only people who have done anything illegal are the rioters. U might not like what trumps doing but it is entirely within the rule of law
Point of order:
“Illegal” isn’t always “immoral”. “Legal” isn’t always “moral”.
If one’s best defense is “it’s not technically illegal”, that’s a very weak spot to be in.
So ur advocating for breaking the law if u personally think the law is immortal?
Isn’t that exactly what the jan6 insurrectionists where doing?
Or are you the arbiter of morality and everyone else immoral?
Eat your cake or have it u can’t have both.
That’s strange, how has he lost so many court cases then (overseen by judges he appointed)
Dude, you’re a muppet if you think everything he has done is within the law. The only reason he is getting away with breaking the law is because the only check is the legislature’s power of impeachment and it has been captured by the fascists.
Related to la what has he done that’s illegal?
Maybe a fucking insurrection on Jan 6?
Maybe raping fucking toddlers (Epstein files, which he’s starkly refused to release)?
Or, maybe ordering ICE to blockade traffic in order to deliberately incite chaos as an excuse to use the army.
Did u read the part of my comment when I said in relation to la? The ironic thing is that jan6 was more peicful than what’s happening lol.
10 U.S. Code § 12406 - National Guard In Federal Service
(3): […] Orders for these purposes shall be issued through the governors of the states
Trump specifically did not engage with Newsom in commandeering CA National Guard troops.
18 U.S. Code § 1385 - Use of Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force, and Space Force as posse comitatus
Whoever, except in cases and under the circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army, the Navy, the Marine Corps, the Air Force, or the Space Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.
Using the military for ICE enforcement is against the law.
Want more information? https://youtu.be/zJ7Dfca4_y8
“10 U.S.C. 12406,” within Title 10 of the U.S. Code on Armed Services. It allows the president to deploy federal troops in instances of “a rebellion or danger of a rebellion” against the U.S. government. Doesn’t need an invasion just needs danger of a rebellion. Attempting to murder federal officers and attempting to directly subvert the will of the federal government is by definition a rebellious act.
Where has the supreme court ruled that this deployment is illegal? Can u point me to it please?
B-b-but whatabout all the rich people’s stuff 👉👈 🥺? Someday, I could have all of that rich people stuff and that could be my stuff on fire and that would make me so sad!
The breakdown of the law is the breakdown of the law who cares who’s stuff it is. That’s also ignore the brick throwing (also known as assault with a deadly weapon)
You absolutely correct. Breakdown of the law has been a problem in the US since the hard bank right into fascism. But I am way less bothered by throwing bricks at the cosplaying nazis and way more bothered by the unitary executive bullshit. We should have a president, which should be a glorified administrator working for the legislature. Not a king that ignores the law. If we need to burn some of the oligarchy’s shit to remind the orange asshole of this, so be it.
The execute bullshit is a legal power granted to the president. The brick throwing is literally assault with a deadly weapon I don’t see how u can justify that. It doesn’t matter what u think the president should be it matters what the laws of the country state that the president is. What laws are being broken in the case of la (well except the rioters)?
Not according to the Constitution which grants these powers to the Supreme Court who have stated that what Trump is doing is illegal
deportations by ice without due process in violation of court orders (this is what the people in LA are directly protesting)
the president commandeering the national guard for domestic use in absence of an invasion