Papers, please 🫴
What’s really shocking is that a woman detained in the US for not having ID wasn’t delivered to ICE immediatelly and deported to El Salvador without due process.
I mean, the whole point of not having due process is that if a person can’t right then and there prove they’re not an illegal immigrant they can just treat that person as an illegal immigrant and “dissapear” that person for it with no recourse.
It doesn’t matter if they can prove it or not. ID, documents, birth certificate, none of it matters without due process.
Kilmar Abrego Garcia was specifically prohibited from being deported to El Salvador. He literally had an order from a US immigration judge that said he cannot be legally sent there in particular, because of the risk to his life.
Okay, so smiling is bad. What the fuck is the solution to not look suspicious to cops at this point? Making eye contact is suspicious, but not making eye contact is also suspicious. So what, are we supposed to
Sneak 100past them when we see them from afar now? Is that it?At which point does a society realizes that maybe we have an issue when people are actively trying to avoid cops even though they are not doing anything that is against the laws? How many people need to be detained over nothing? How many people need to be brutalized with no consequences to their blue aggressors? How many people need to be killed by the “finest”?
I treat cops like a rogue militia. I avoid them when I can, and otherwise, I feel the need to watch my every step because they are completely unpredictable. And for fuck’s sake, I’m white! Needless to say, cops are much less on the lookout for me. When I hear the stories of people from different ethnicities, it’s fucking terrifying.
But hey, gotta protect the rich somehow, I guess.
Okay, so smiling is bad. What the fuck is the solution to not look suspicious to cops at this point?
There’s an episode from the Twilight Zone reboot (S1E3, “Replay”) that plays with this idea in an interesting way. A black mother and son are at a diner with a police officer, and things happen and her son gets shot. But then she discovers that she has this magic camcorder that can rewind time, so she goes back to the diner and tries again, doing things differently. And this time he gets shot for a different reason. So she goes back, again and again, trying different approaches.
It really captures the feeling of insecurity, of being damned if you do, damned if you don’t. And it’s sort of a metaphor for the different scenarios playing out in one’s head, of trying to think of how each action might be misinterpreted or go wrong.
Pick up that can
Ep3 wen
Urgh… yes
honeyofficer…
As it turns out, avoiding the cops – or even looking like you’re avoiding the cops – will also land you in hot water
Okay, so do not exist at all in the presence of cops. Somehow. Got it.
If they kill you, technically you don’t exist anymore.
Honestly, how fragile and weak you have to be to be triggered by being looked at. If they are that scared, they should remove their eyeballs.
Oops there’s cops everywhere, guess the winning play is to not exist in the first place
People scream at me when I say “abolish the police”. Even radical progressives. To me the solution is obvious but nobody wants to listen.
I agree with you.
The police, as an institution, should be abolished.
And a new institution put it its place.
And, off the top of my head, just a few things it should do differently is in no particular order
Citizen Oversight boards made up of 7 educated citizens (with no professional or familiar connection to law enforcement), chosen at random, to serve 3 month tours, with 3 local lawyers, also selected at random, and in good standing, to advise on the legal side of things but with no vote themselves. (Cause sometimes just cause its not technically illegal doesnt mean its not horrific and awful and deserving of punishment/reprimand)
national black list, so cops that do bad cant just jump ship to the next jurisdiction over.
Liability insurance, that is paid for by the replacement organization, out of their wages, with no payout caps (because fuck being permanently crippled due to abuse and only getting 30k)
No qualified immunity.
must live in the communities they serve.
no training them to think or behave like their the last surviving member of a super elite commando unit behind enemy lines, and that everyone is their potential enemy.
training must take longer than it takes to become a beautician, including extensive learning of not just what the laws are, but what is expected of them as a servant of the public, behavior and atittude wise.
regular refresher courses, at least 3 months long, every 2 years, to maintain, update, and verify their knowledge of the law and the duty they choose to take up, failing this course is a firable offense.
Then put all the money you save from all of this, and put into social needs and improvements… Which will reduce crime more than putting a bunch of paramilitary wannabe pretenders on the street.
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Oh, and one last one… mandatory +20 years to any conviction, for betrayal of the public good and public trust.
Abolish the police, today. Empty the prisons. Replacing them with something else just continues the problem in a new way.
Does crime suddenly become an issue? Then figure something else out.
The current system doesn’t work, so end it. A single day’s delay means innocent people suffering and dying, so end it today.
I’m with you on immediate abolition of police and dismantling the carceral system, but “figure something else out” sounds very hand-wave-y. Community initiatives, economic reform, and vastly improved and accessible mental health resources will go a long way towards drastically reducing crime, maybe even eliminating many forms of it, but there does need to be some form of framework for investigation and redressal of the rare crimes that do occur
Theres that pesky lede you buried while crying about disagreement.
That’s because you are most likely miscommunicating what you mean. When you say “abolish the police” I presume you mean “the current policing institution does not justly enforce law, ensure safety, or act in support public interest and therefore needs to be replaced with an institution that conducts policing justly and accountable”
What people hear is that you’re saying “policing as a concept is wrong and we should not have any institution that enforces democratic law or acts to secure public safety in accordance to a justice system”… Because that’s what the word “abolish” means, to formally and permanently put an end to something. Like “abolish slavery” because slavery is wrong.
Nope.
Okay, if it’s not either of those, what do you actually mean then?
Ah I see. I mean sure, that’s fine to consider and think through. Although, there doesn’t seem to be much meaningful difference between “replace it” and “figure something else out”.
But if the plan is to dismantle everything and wing it, I’m glad they volunteered their community to “figure something else out”. Im sure we can learn something from it. However, I suspect they will eventually circle back to having some system of law, some system to judge adherence to that law, and some system to enforce adherence to that law.
Still, I think there’s nobility in willing to sacrifice one’s own security (if not others’, which certainly is already the case in the current system) for the sake of those experiencing injustice/oppression. But there are also prudent and foolish ways to go about it.
In Canada we’re actually grappling with this tension leaning the other way, ensuring justice for those being processed through the justice system. Our bail system ensures people are not unjustly held for prolonged periods of time pre-trial, but the consequence is you have more cases of violent people readily released on bail who then attack someone else not long after. This is exacerbated by an inefficient system where trial dates take so long you’d have to hold someone presumed innocent for months or over a year, as well as an insufficient system without enough support and rehabilitation that helps minimize recitivism.
What’s with the replies asking why she’s not carrying ID in NYC? Is there some reason why you need to have ID on you at all times on New York?
the reason is that the people asking are fascist asses. there is no legit reason to “need” an ID in any american place when out like this woman was.
ID is like meth to these pigs.
It’s actually a law in certain states. In California you need an ID even for the officer with a bicycle infraction. This is New York though and I don’t know the particulars of the municipality.
California does not require a cyclist to present an ID to an officer when being cited for a traffic offense. However if they choose, an officer may arrest and hold you to verify your identity. Same is true with pedestrians.
Lesson learned.
Don’t acknowledge cops, don’t look at them, don’t talk to them, avoid them, ignore them and don’t trust them.
Now you’re “acting suspicious”
I’m up in Canada so this stuff doesn’t affect me much … but I used to laugh at an old friend who used to actively avoid the cops. If he saw them up the street far away, he’d cross the street, turn into an alleyway or just turn around. If we were driving and he saw a cop car, he’d immediately turn anywhere and drive away. He wasn’t a criminal or anything, he just didn’t like police and avoided them. No matter the situation, if he saw a cop, he’d do everything to avoid even having the remote possibility of even interacting with the police.
This was years ago and since then I’ve been like that too but not as bad … but as the world becomes more authoritarian these days, especially when police training even in Canada is to just have a pulse and be a white male … I’m avoiding the police more actively than before.
My old friend Johnny was more right than I realized.
Canada has it’s share of bad cops, but it is nowhere near the thin blue line gangland of US cops. It’s fucking crazy down there. They are worse than mob gangs because you can at least pay the mob for protection.
All these US cops grew up watching the Cops TV show and they see everyone as criminals and below them. They want so bad to shoot and beat up the bad guy they don’t stop to think if the person they are beating up actually did anything wrong.
US cops need to be jailed and replaced with citizens that want to help the society they live in.
you can at least pay the mob for protection.
American cops are a walking power trip.
fucking insane. So many NYPD patrol vehicles and personnel to stop a lady on her bike in the bike lane. What the fuck?
its mob mentality, they wont do it alone.
Fragile egos, a chuckle caused this
i always have an id when not at home, but thats just because my id is my driver’s license. in a city with lots of public transportation options, i can see why someone wouldn’t have any ID unless they’re going to buy alcohol or something. irregardless i am opposed to people being forced to have an ID at all times in case a cop gets uppity, and interestingly enough the same people who were mad about vaccine records appear to not have a problem with something like this happening
irregardless
You’ve made a grave mistake
Coffin or casket?
That’s unpossible.
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If you’re using the roadway several states and cities require you to carry a government ID for the purpose of writing you tickets. Generally speaking, in those places if you can’t provide one you will be detained and taken to the police station until your identity can be verified. While their, your bike will almost surely be stolen.
Its absolutely institutionalised amongst NYPD officers to be massive, egomaniacal see you next Tuesdays
As an Aussie I’ll say it for you.
They’re cunts.
Yup
Funny how the yanks find out use of “cunt” offensive, but children being murdered in schools is just the price of freedom…
It’s crazy what different societies see as obscene
It’s a different word in the US, with a totally different meaning. I’ve never heard it said by a yank without it being directed at a woman in a voice filled with hate, intended to demean, frighten, or hurt her. We all get that it means something else across the pond, we’re not offended by your use of it, although I personally would prefer you don’t direct it at women who you suspect might be from the US. Many of us have really bad memories of terrifying situations where we were called that word.
I also find children being murdered pretty fucking offensive, for the record.
And wars get theme tunes on their news.
I love cunt
Most cops are cunts, not just the NYPD.
*all
FTFY
Its’ strange that they let her keep her phone in that tiny cell. In any case, they are all very brave when the offender is a 55kg young girl.
Were they brave though? Even then they didn’t have the stones to approach her without backup, apparently.
Makes me think it’s fake. I can’t find anything on it
remember folks: brutality is a method employed by “democracies” under capitalism.
FREEDOM!
Do you have any solutions to suggest?
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Defund the pigs.
Do you want people to hate you and ignore you?
Because that’s how you make people hate you and ignore you.
No, they want people to literally cower in fear and lick their boots.
TBF you’d have to be truly mentally unwell to be smiling in these times. /s
Psychopaths who habitually escalate because you don’t give them enough “respect,” but I do stop for anybody with lights on even if I’m in a bike lane. Mostly because I don’t want to get hit by an idiot cop or sleep deprived emt or some other car deciding the bike lane is where they want to go to yield for the emergency vehicle.
Never once had a positive interaction with a cop.
That’s because, and all together now…
All Cops Are Bastards
Makes sense. (I believe you!) They do not exist for positive reasons.
Never make eye contact with police everybody knows the rules
Same rules as dealing with wolves.
No eye contact.
No smiling.
No sudden moves.
No sandwiches.
no acorns.
Also homeless and old people in long queues.
That’s actually a popular misconception. Your goal is fo come off as docile, comfortable, and most importantly neurotypical. They think avoiding eye contact is evidence of a crime. If they think you’re scared they’ll give you something to be scared of.
After all, only bad guys are scared of our heroic cops. /s
