The number of times college protesters have been wrong: 0.
Shame them in every part of life.
Let them know their beleifs will lead to us having to put them down like rabid dogs for our own safety.
Sorry, but there’s something wrong with people that are supporting open fascism. This isn’t people ‘not playing nice’ with fascists, it’s protection against fascists. Everyone that is still sane should stay away from anyone openly supporting fascist themes.
Which is so fucking obvious that it should not have to be said.
They don’t see it as fascism. They just see that their “team” is “winning”, and the “other” people are losing. That’s all life is to them, winning over everyone else, even when it goes against self preservation.
Welp need to start targeting the only thing they care about
Their delusion?
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It was kind of shocking seeing some friends openly turn so incredibly sexist and racist and generally horrible once Trump was elected. I don’t regret the finding out, but it was a little surprising seeing I wasn’t as good of a judge of character as I thought.
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one of the people i know, love watching UFC, joe roegan, naturally he became a trump-lite person overtime, even starting to wear on me that is showing signs of being anti-vaxers.i notice these new trumpers are often pretty ignorant of the news in general, like they dont actually go look up his policies and what they will do. and supporting people like YE despite what he has become is all pretty clear.
COVID broke people’s brains too. don’t know about your timeline but in my opinion while some people started showing their true colors, some people actually changed during that time.
People got stuck at home and we’re in need of answers and extremists are very good at finding very simple answers to very complex issues, so people got hooked to that
I like this answer. I prefer it to the “those particular friends were just always shit bags”
It doesnt erase the shitbag hypothesis; it only softens it. They know that the answers they chose to accept are shit bag answers. They know it’s all going to cause harm.
Yeah.
Like in plenty other behaviours which are fairly or unfairy socially expected but are not in fact natural for everybody, it makes sense that most shitbags socializing with friends will act in ways that are “what friends are supposed to do” because they know that’s what’s expect of them by others, rather than doing what they actually want to do.
Personally I think what we’re seeing is probably the “weakening of the power of social shame” or at least a shift in what is shameful, than a shift in people’s true selves.
This is why I hate tiktok- that site is actual brain rot on steroids. I thought Facebook was bad but we keep finding ways to make it worse
and people were also at home invested in conspiracy theories too, on youtube, alot of channels started to have thier “own conspiracy segments” which turn viewers into trumpers over time.
That’s exactly what I said
That’s why Critical Thinking Skills are so important, and why Conservatives want to suppress the teaching of it in schools. Critical Thinkers instantly understand that the simplest answer probably isn’t the best one.
Also introspection, self-analysis and self-criticism, IMHO, which as far as I know aren’t formally taught anywhere outside Psychology degrees.
I know a lot of degree educated people who none the less act like complete total wankers because they can’t even spot that them acting thus is driven by petty and unhealthy psychological wants or fears from past experiences which aren’t at all applicable anymore.
Well educated mature adults is what we need, in my opinion, and quite a lot if not most of those who are well educated and agewise adult aren’t really mature and that’s not at all helped by a Society which would rather people remain psychological teens because they’re easier to manipulate with Marketing and Propaganda that targets people’s emotions.
They just got really good at masking the shit in their head, don’t blame yourself
Had to cut ties with some family too (because I firmly believe family is a PRIVILEGE and not a RIGHT and if you’re a shit bag you lose that privilege) but I had always known they were horrible people from the start at least.
This is my daily struggle. I mean… the ties are cut. The struggle is essentially grieving the loss of a parent as if they were dead.
I feel a little better when I hear that others have, to some degree, done the same.
I certainly have. The tough part is clients. I have a major client whom I recently discovered voted F34 because they really think he was the lesser of two evils. He’s also my ENT doc.
Yeah, its a bummer. For those relationships you value you can still talk about why they feel that way. Its harder when they are consumed by the fb algo though.
If you think back before that, weren’t those the most self-centered and selfish ones?
I remember a situation with a friend of mine from back in my Uni days (not a case of him turning out to be a Trumpist but a case of him having drifted away from his family, rather than “facing it like a man” he just kept deceiving them and living a double life until things inevitably blew up) and looking back from my by then far more mature and adult point of view than when he and I became friends I could spot how he was always the guy who put himself ahead of the rest of the group.
I get the impression that Trumpists are those who are a mix of being the most “what’s in it for me” types (to the point of putting the satisfaction of petty and even mean personal psychological wants ahead of other people’s actual lives) and useful idiot, and those would have a track record of putting themselves first even in situations were one wouldn’t act like that with friends.
That seems to be his superpower. He is so blatantly and unashamedly despicable that he emboldens every asshole on Earth to stop holding back on their assholery, but instead flaunt it like never before.
“If he can do it, why shouldn’t I do it as well?”
A tweet about a single anonymous post on an obscure forum with no info about the type of response it received.
This is nothing.
If I went to Harvard, and created an account, and then went and made an anonymous post saying cats are horrible and everyone should stop keeping them as pets; do you think that’s an indicator that people are turning against cats? Do you think my single, anonymous post would be worth making a tweet over? Do you think that holds ANY relation to other people’s options or the actions they will take?
The dirty truth is that the Real Social Consequences of supporting fascism have, historically, been the full throated support of US business, media, and military.
Germany was the exception, not the rule. Spain, Chile, the Philippines, South Vietnam, Israel, Apartheid South Africa, Bolsanaro’s Brazil, Modi’s India, Trump’s America… That’s the rule.
I just switched my electrical contractor that does work at my job like every other day. Dude was making a grand a week easily just on the jobs I was giving him. Then he drives in one day with the maple maga bumper stickers and the anti science bullshit. Haven’t called him back in over 5 weeks, there are plenty of contractors out there and they’re not all nuts
Ok, but look at Harvard’s alumni. They seem to be the number one producer of real life super villains.
You mean being an nbc comedy writer??
A large chunk of US politicians, US SC Justices, and business leaders. Kissinger, Bush II, Gates, Zuckerburg, Bloomberg…
Skim through this list and see if you think Havard is a net gain or net loss for humanity.
Are you convinced Harvard specifically is radicalising them in some way? Because I’m not.
People don’t go to Harvard to get an education. They go because their parents are elites and they want their kids to make connections with the kids of other elites. The research makes headlines, but that’s not their main purpose. This creates a campus culture that could be what actually is “radicalizing”, but in their case, it’s the sataus quo, what is right and what is natural.
People don’t go to Harvard to get an education. They go because their parents are elites and they want their kids to make connections with the kids of other elites.
Elites don’t go to Harvard for an education. But the rest of their students are there for one. I know several people with degrees from Harvard who grew up middle class and are now teaching at other universities.
Is the problem Harvard, or that rich and powerful people send their kids to the most prestigious schools in the world?
Yes yes harvard sniffs its own farts and is pretentious yada yada but the fact is if you graduate harvard, your life is way fucking easier because of the respect it commands and the hands you shake while you’re there. Plain and simple.
What I will find interesting in 20-30 years is if this rejection of “liberal indoctrination” will lead to more conservatives not sending their kids to the most prestigious schools that don’t capitulate to their culture war. Conservative universities of any quality debatably exist as it is, they’re hardly investing in them currently either. So Harvard, Princeton, Yale, etc. still hold the keys to the US’s upper echelon.
TL;DR: rich and powerful people will send their kids to the schools that allow their kids to more easily be rich and powerful. For all their talk of how college is a scam and dominated by liberals, they still keep sending their kids there.
There are seperate MAGAs for the peasants and the elite.
Not just in colleges, but everywhere. I own a business, and I wouldn’t hire someone who is openly MAGA. Clearly they are ignorant, make poor choices, and are easy to manipulate, and I don’t want them to be responsible for any aspect of my business.
I own a business, and I wouldn’t hire someone who is openly MAGA.
I work in the O&G industry. Quite a few of the rank and file office folks are vanilla liberals. The senior execs are all Christian MAGA.
Silicon Valley has the same problem. The professional working class is liberal, while the senior sex pest corporate ice chewers are all in the same insane Scientology cults and Mormon tabernacle choirs and Longtermist Transhuman Collectives.
I’ve seen the same dynamic in health care, professional sports, Big Law, finance, heavy industry…
Great that you managed to break into the club as a Normal. But I don’t see a future where I’m sitting on the board of a Fortune 500 corporation. A notable reason why is that I’m not working my way up the chain at Opus Dei.
Or, less generously, they enjoy the cruelty and hate.
Seems a bit pointless because if you know someone who’s a giant piece of shit like that you probably already aren’t doing any of those things, but I respect the intention
Or you are, but you don’t have much of a choice in the matter, because their parents sit on the Board of Governors or sponsor the Frat or otherwise are the people you got into Harvard to suck up to.
It’s like telling a young Mark Zuckerberg not to be nice to the Winklevoss Twins. He’s not doing it because he likes them. He’s doing it to leverage their family connections and wealth. Literally the whole reason anyone goes to Ivy League schools to begin with.
Sucking up to those people like that is one of the grossest things I can imagine doing. No fancy job title is worth that self-flagellation
If you look at the folks who sit on these boards and hold these C-level positions, quite a few of them are gross. Sarah Wynn-Williams’s “Careless People” - an account of her time at Facebook - illustrates as much. Sex pests, glory hounds, money-hungry thugs, all orchestrated by a man-child so brain-rotted by his delusions of grandeur that he’s stylized himself as Caeser Augustus.
No fancy job title is worth that self-flagellation
It’s not just about fancy job titles. It’s about the money and the power and the sex and the celebrity (and plenty of drugs). It’s living like a high schooler with rich parents well into your golden years.
Wow, this will be devastating to the approximately zero Trump supporters at Harvard.
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2020/10/19/shroff-harvard-trump-administration/
Not to paint with too broad of a brush, but a lot of Harvard students are entitled assholes from money and gobble up Republican ideology.
Remember that the rich assholes want Harvard for themselves and not for anyone else. Plenty of them exist there.
don’t they teach management there as well?
In what world do you live in where ultrawealthy people don’t go to Harvard lol
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Why emphasize wealthy? Wealthier people were less likely to vote for Trump.
Motte and bailey
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Take a look at CNN’s exit polls. I have a screenshot here.
Are you suggesting that wealthy college kids are less likely to be trump supporters that non-wealthy college kids?
This is anecdotal, I know. But I work for a public college, and MAGA is popular. Of course, we have large police and firefighter programs.
Yes. I don’t have surveys specifically of college students but that’s what I extrapolate from the relationship between income and Trump support in the population as a whole.
Nice bait kiddo
It’s a bad graph. Take it from me, 120k household income is not wealthy. It’s barely enough to afford a house, healthcare and transportation.
A better graph would be 0-100k, 100k-1M, 1M-10M and 10M+.
Trump is the president of the US, but he is really the president for billionaires.
You’re showing a 50% split no matter what your income level is. Can you read graphs?
The graph proved their point though didn’t it? You can argue it’s not a significant difference but clearly there is a difference. I’ve seen a variety of different sources demonstrating this phenomena, it seems clear to me that lower income people have been increasingly identifying as Republicans in recent years, and wealthy people increasingly vote Democratic. From what I’ve seen it is only in the most wealthy and well educated parts of the country where Democrats have consistently increased their support over the past three election cycles. The rest of the country it is mostly the opposite. Trumpism and the MAGA cult have really transformed the Republican party, they have grown this whole new constituency of working class people that used to not vote much and tended to vote Democratic when they did. Now those people are mostly reliable Republicans who live in a fantasy world of propaganda and hate Democrats.
It didn’t prove anything other than it’s split no matter what your income level is. Is this your ALT account?
Source is paywalled.
CNN’s exit poll shows the same thing.
Oh wow, that 3% difference sure must mean Harvard is Trump free!
3% would be the difference between a decisive Trump victory and a decisive Harris victory, but I didn’t say that Harvard has very few Trump supporters primarily because wealthier people tend to oppose Trump. Both are true but the latter isn’t the main reason for the former.
Fuck yeah, has been (mostly) my approach and suggestion since 2016, don’t be friendly with fascists. Now, the tricky thing has been sorting real fascists from those just so grossly misinformed by the propaganda network that they’re basically decent but brainwashed. After 2024 though, doesn’t matter, there’s no way you don’t know who he really is at that point, and if you supported him you should be shunned.
Nah, way earlier than 2024. In fact ever since the “grab them by the pussy” tape was released before the election in 2016, these miserable bastards knew what he was about and still chose to support him. No decency to be found among them from that point on.
you would be surprised, only about half of the trump supporters I’ve met know about and support him for being fascist (among other things). The other half think that the deportations and basically anything negative about trump is fake news, a smaller amount also think they are voting for an imaginary non-maga republican party.
I don’t see how that makes any difference at all. Trump himself has told them what he is about at his rallies, completely unedited and unfiltered. They support him because of that.
The other half think that the deportations and basically anything negative about trump is fake news, a smaller amount also think they are voting for an imaginary non-maga republican party.
Yeah, well, those people can die suffering, too, they’re still Nazi supporters ffs
It doesn’t matter at this point. They are adults, and decisions have consequences.
The Germans have a word for the people who supported Hitler for purely economic reasons and not at all because of the fascism or genocide.
That word is Nazi
“I voted for Mr Hitler because he would be good for the economy, but I didn’t go in for all that Jew-killing stuff. You can’t blame that on me.”
I’ve boycotted Republicans/Conservatives since at least 2000, when they decided that it was perfectly acceptable to steal the presidency.
Once they fully adopted the “ends justify the means” approach, I considered Conservatism to be a character flaw. I wouldn’t be friends with people who physically abuse their spouses or their children, and by the same logic, I won’t be friends with people who abuse our society, our government, or our citizens.
the tricky thing has been sorting real fascists from those just so grossly misinformed by the propaganda network that they’re basically decent but brainwashed.
Unfortunately, we are at a point in human history where there is no functional distinction between smart fascists and stupid fascists. The end result is still propagation of unbridled evil and it cannot be tolerated regardless of the origin.
students are done playing nice
As the students continue to play nice, but with a frowny face.
But it’s hard, the system was designed as such, a lot of work & daily maintenance went/goes into it.
unless they are your proxy in ukraine.
Or headchopping terrorists like Al Jolani.Well well, 20 downvotes, ZERO replies or arguments against these facts.
LOL
Seeing as everyone is in their own social media echo chamber now and are separate offline it won’t really matter.
Just as a slice of it, going to r/conservative is so eye opening. They ignore or ban any news that would directly conflict with conservative beliefs as they once were so they don’t have to confront any of it, celebrate anything that makes the left look bad, and openly gargle Trump cum in every post as a badge of honor. It’s a truly disgusting little place.
They literally believe the left is just showing their insanity by calling everything fascism. It’s what their media tells them too. To them, this is the authoritarian, violent left and these types of actions only confirm their biases.
Yup, I was just talking to my mother about politics the other day. She’s a MAGA-type and while even she’s starting to crack on the “wow maybe literally setting fire to 2/3 of the governmental agencies wasn’t a good idea” thing, she’s still dead convinced it’s “for the best” and “well worth the savings” to not be “financing plays about gay people in Dublin” or whatever, and everyone protesting is “just wanting to oppose President Trump because that’s what they’re told to do”.
We have moved a bit past ‘affiliating with’ and are well into ‘being’ when it comes to the fascism thing.
Affiliating in this case means “tolerating being around”. It doesn’t really have anything to do with becoming or being fascist.
They’re talking about ‘affiliating with’ too. The plain truth is that people who aren’t fascists themselves still enable fascism. (Yes, I know, the whole “1 fascist sitting at a table of 10 is just 10 fascists” line is a great slogan, but at the end of the day, there’s no point wasting time flaming someone by calling them a fascist when they don’t think they are one, it’s semantics, the critical point is they’re a fascist-enabler regardless and therefore responsible for and complicit in fascism)
There are people who consider themselves ‘not a fascist’ that also consider the Nuremburg Trials inhumane for having executed unrepentant Nazis. The line is intentionally blurred.
