The Liberty Hotel in Boston has suspended the guard and promised staff retraining after forcibly removing a cisgender lesbian from the women’s restroom.
I saw a picture of the lady. She is tall, has short hair and kind of masculine facial features, but none of that is an excuse. The male security guard demanded to see her genitals to prove she was female. Female bathrooms only have stalls. Even if she had been a trans woman, no one else in the bathroom would have ever seen her naked crotch and she wouldn’t have seen theirs.
The story here is a MALE hotel employee went into a FEMALE BATHROOM and demanded to see a woman’s genitals because she didn’t look girly enough for his standards.
I didn’t see in the article where the guard asked to see the woman’s genitals. That aside, I hope that the woman at least gets a very substantial payout from this harassment.
Drivers License? of course theres always the possibility its fake, but the likely hood someone carrying a fake one at a hotel I wouldnt think is particularly high
Lots of people use fake IDs to check into hotels. They may not want people, like their spouse, to know they were there. I personally made thousands of fake IDs in the late 90s The majority of the customers were probably just teenagers who wanted to buy booze and smokes. A few of them probably wanted to commit identity theft. I never questioned the data they wanted entered on the ID. If you want the name to say Brad Pitt, your name is now Brad Pitt. If you want a birth-date to make you 22 years old, I didn’t care if you looked 15 or if you looked 50. If you said your gender was Female, that’s what I put on the ID. I asked no questions and made no attempt to verify anything they wrote on the form I had them fill out. I did inform them that, while possessing or making such an ID was not a crime, (at the time) presenting it to a law enforcement agent as identification or attempting to buy age restricted products with it was a crime. It was $40 for the ID and you got a free duplicate ID.
This was informative, and unexpectedly candid. I guess I understand downvotes as an expression of disapproval of the act of making fake IDs but if it was legal at the time to make them, then only the ethical argument remains and that’s moot if it’s illegal now.
I don’t understand the downvotes myself. Everyone out there who didn’t have a fake ID or know someone who had one before turning 21, wished they did. It was legal at the time and location where I was doing it, but it was still shady. I don’t pretend it was ethical. I was an adventurer in my youth. I went to a far away city with no money and no place to stay. It isn’t easy getting off the street without a phone or an address. The kind of jobs you can get are not always 100% legitimate. The ID shop was owned by a local criminal organization and affiliated with the local undercover police. They didn’t care how many IDs we sold to teens who wanted beer. They wanted to know who might be buying them for identity theft. Since what we were doing wasn’t against the law strictly speaking, and we shared information about potential felons, they didn’t bother us.
Because the state is the source of morality and so anything that undermines the state’s purity and control is necessarily immoral. Of course we don’t believe this consciously, but on an emotional level, nearly all of us have some of this bias.
I saw a picture of the lady. She is tall, has short hair and kind of masculine facial features, but none of that is an excuse. The male security guard demanded to see her genitals to prove she was female. Female bathrooms only have stalls. Even if she had been a trans woman, no one else in the bathroom would have ever seen her naked crotch and she wouldn’t have seen theirs. The story here is a MALE hotel employee went into a FEMALE BATHROOM and demanded to see a woman’s genitals because she didn’t look girly enough for his standards.
I didn’t see in the article where the guard asked to see the woman’s genitals. That aside, I hope that the woman at least gets a very substantial payout from this harassment.
He demanded that she prove she is female. How exactly would one do that?
According to the article, he asked to see her ID. Which is more than fucked up enough already.
The problem is in the demand itself
Drivers License? of course theres always the possibility its fake, but the likely hood someone carrying a fake one at a hotel I wouldnt think is particularly high
You’d be surprise many fake ids get carried at hotels.
But not usually for proving one’s gender.
Lots of people use fake IDs to check into hotels. They may not want people, like their spouse, to know they were there. I personally made thousands of fake IDs in the late 90s The majority of the customers were probably just teenagers who wanted to buy booze and smokes. A few of them probably wanted to commit identity theft. I never questioned the data they wanted entered on the ID. If you want the name to say Brad Pitt, your name is now Brad Pitt. If you want a birth-date to make you 22 years old, I didn’t care if you looked 15 or if you looked 50. If you said your gender was Female, that’s what I put on the ID. I asked no questions and made no attempt to verify anything they wrote on the form I had them fill out. I did inform them that, while possessing or making such an ID was not a crime, (at the time) presenting it to a law enforcement agent as identification or attempting to buy age restricted products with it was a crime. It was $40 for the ID and you got a free duplicate ID.
This was informative, and unexpectedly candid. I guess I understand downvotes as an expression of disapproval of the act of making fake IDs but if it was legal at the time to make them, then only the ethical argument remains and that’s moot if it’s illegal now.
I feel smartened
I don’t understand the downvotes myself. Everyone out there who didn’t have a fake ID or know someone who had one before turning 21, wished they did. It was legal at the time and location where I was doing it, but it was still shady. I don’t pretend it was ethical. I was an adventurer in my youth. I went to a far away city with no money and no place to stay. It isn’t easy getting off the street without a phone or an address. The kind of jobs you can get are not always 100% legitimate. The ID shop was owned by a local criminal organization and affiliated with the local undercover police. They didn’t care how many IDs we sold to teens who wanted beer. They wanted to know who might be buying them for identity theft. Since what we were doing wasn’t against the law strictly speaking, and we shared information about potential felons, they didn’t bother us.
Because the state is the source of morality and so anything that undermines the state’s purity and control is necessarily immoral. Of course we don’t believe this consciously, but on an emotional level, nearly all of us have some of this bias.
I think someone at a hotel is more likely to be carrying fake genitalia.
Wow, that’s a leap. You good?