• NoMadLadNZ@lemmy.nzEnglish
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    24 days ago

    This is how the brownshirts operated. Just thugs, power trippin’, and attracting the absolute worst people who WANT to wear balaclavas and have the excuse to be intimidating assholes and have the power to bundle people into vans (or railcars).

  • iAvicenna@lemmy.world
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    23 days ago

    I wouldn’t be surprised if some cop who ate there wasn’t happy with the service he got and organised this shenanigan

  • minorkeys@lemmy.world
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    23 days ago

    Cops will take as much freedom as you give them and often they will attempt more than they have been granted. Never give cops an inch they are not legally entitled to. In democracies, laws exist to grant people freedom from the power of the state, not to grant the state freedom from the power of the people. Any laws that grant cops protection from the people are laws of a tyranny. We get only the protections of the state that our rights make possible and no more. Trading freedom for security gets us neither.

    • goldfndr@lemmy.ml
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      23 days ago

      In democracies, laws exist to grant people freedom from the power of the state, not to grant the state freedom from the power of the people. Any laws that grant cops protection from the people are laws of a tyranny. We get only the protections of the state that our rights make possible and no more. Trading freedom for security gets us neither.

      Correction: In democracies, laws exist to grant power to the state, not to grant people freedom from the state. For example, I’m guessing that in your nearest democracy, there’s probably not a law granting you the freedom to stand still for more than a minute or lie down for more than a minute. The people’s freedom is a default.

      Now, perhaps what you were thinking of was that some laws have exceptions (that might be phrased as affirmative defenses). But those aren’t granting freedom to the people, they are restricting law enforcement. It’s like a “tax refund” — the government isn’t giving you their money, it’s returning your own money.

  • corsicanguppy@lemmy.caEnglish
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    24 days ago

    I wanna see security footage of them posted online, so other businesses in the area know there are vigilantes posing as secret police.

    • TheDoozer@lemmy.world
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      24 days ago

      I wonder if the director told that actor “have, just, the worst trigger discipline. Make it look like you have no business handling a firearm.”

      • duhbasser@lemm.eeEnglish
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        23 days ago

        In the movie this is right after he executes 2 Chinese journalist, so lack of trigger discipline kinda makes sense. Oh and he’s about to try to execute a bunch more people in the up coming moments

        • miraclerandy@lemmy.world
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          23 days ago

          Agreed. Dude was unhinged and didn’t give a fuck about any of that in this scene. Which obviously made it more tense

          • duhbasser@lemm.eeEnglish
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            23 days ago

            I’m not sure how well received this movie is but I really enjoyed it. The movie did a good job at not really identifying this characters “military affiliation” as well as the first group of militia they ran into. To my knowledge, nothing really identified these two groups as being affiliated with the government or resistance, so the tendency to just kill everyone you don’t know is probably how most things would get handled in the fallout/duration of a civil war.

    • GrumpyDuckling@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      24 days ago

      I still think about this scene a lot because I’ve been there sheen relatively normal people casually talked about going to cities and shooting "democrats“ while also talking about the guns they were currently buying. I should have turned them in.

        • GrumpyDuckling@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          23 days ago

          I have too many family members who are Leo, plus other reasons why they shouldn’t do that. Plus it would be homeland security or FBI for various other reasons. But it could be ICE because I know a lot of immigrants. It would be a clusterfuck.

  • muusemuuse@lemm.eeEnglish
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    24 days ago

    At some point, someone is going to fire the first shot. Then it’s open season on ICE agents. And you know what? I’m okay with that.

    • jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
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      24 days ago

      I do wonder how all the “violence is never the answer” folks will go if it comes to that. I think a lot of them would side with ICE, sadly.

      Personally, I won’t be upset if a would-be nazi meets an abrupt end to their career.

        • Mikelle@lemmy.wtf
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          24 days ago

          Ooops. Sounds like you accidentally picked up a Texas MAGA “history” book? Or maybe one covering the 18th century or before?

          • superkret@feddit.org
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            24 days ago

            Read some news.
            Countries simply taking land they want, killing millions, and getting away with it is still a thing.

        • rottingleaf@lemmy.world
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          24 days ago

          I hope to see a time when it’s commonly accepted that Starship Troopers is not a fascist book, just a smart one.

          The movie does, of course, accuse it of being fascist while pretending it’s satire.

          Anyway, in history the conflict seemed like “military with the fascists or under fascists, and often helping fascists”, but in a lot of modern situations it seems that militaries are the component fascists fear most and try to neuter or spend in useless wars or corrupt. Every period of history is different. So maybe Starship Troopers being militarist is not a fascist trait too.

      • Dogiedog64@lemmy.world
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        24 days ago

        You’re absolutely right with thinking they’ll stick with ICE. People who value Status Quo over all else (“it hurts my head thinking about the world changing, why can’t everything just stay the same???”) always have and always will capitulate to Fascist regimes, because it removes the need for critical thought and the obligation to stand for anything. Moderates will be the death of us if we let them.

        • rottingleaf@lemmy.world
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          24 days ago

          It’s not a new thought. There’s the grey hypocritical mass that obeys, which is the main body behind any fascist regime.

          BTW, von Stauffenberg was pretty extreme right, yet he tried to assassinate Hitler, it’s not known of any moderates trying to do that.

      • rottingleaf@lemmy.world
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        24 days ago

        how all the “violence is never the answer”

        Which is implicit support for covert, hidden violence. The stronger side, the government, the mafia have an advantage in that. The people have an advantage in open violence between the resistance and them.

        It just appears that a lot of people are like “I won’t support violence until it’s bad enough”, well, how those dorks would know it’s bad enough if when violence is unacceptable nobody can resist or raise their voice and it all remains silent until too late? You don’t know when it’s bad enough. You can live your whole remaining life thinking it’s still fine, because all the worthy people have been killed\imprisoned silently.

        A citizen doesn’t owe a state any reservation in citizen’s demands. A citizen not having that doesn’t hurt the society, quite the opposite. So if you feel that the situation demands reservation from you, for some supposedly good reasons, then it means it’s very bad. All conflicts in life are too hard and require all your effort and you still often lose, so being reserved for some supposed moral rule without good explanation is not an answer, it’s a scam, a Troyan horse, it means your are being deceived to give up without a fight. Probably that you already have.

      • Duamerthrax@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        24 days ago

        “Violence is never the answer” types are just controlled opposition. Any and every peaceful protest that doesn’t have the risk of escalating to violence can and is just ignored. Did those anti war protests against Bush II’s wars ever amount to anything?

        • jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
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          24 days ago

          I’m inclined to agree. Unfortunately, a lot of moderators on lemmy and other sites have a very strong “no calls for violence” stance.

              • bampop@lemmy.world
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                24 days ago

                If you’re inciting violent civil insurgency, you’re a criminal in the present. If successful, you may be accepted, even celebrated, retrospectively. It’s not a question of right or wrong, but of who is currently in power.

          • muusemuuse@lemm.eeEnglish
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            23 days ago

            Let me be clear to any moderators here: I am not telling people to get an ICE agent pelt. I am simply predicting it will happen and choosing not to be upset about it.

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      24 days ago

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  • Ledericas@lemm.eeEnglish
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    24 days ago

    i assume asian owners, but yea asians and hispanic(working in the kitchen) have similar cultures even if not from the same continent. a white owner would give them up in a second.