Hello world,
as many of you probably already know, Lemmy is an open source project and its development is funded by donations.
Unfortunately, as is often the case, donations amounts are often going down over time if people are not aware of their necessity. When older users leave the platform they may stop donating, while new users joining will typically not be aware of this and won’t start donating to even things out or even go towards an overall increase in donations.
All of the services provided by our non-profit Fedihosting Foundation are dependent on the development of FOSS platforms, which we can host without paying any licensing or other fees, instead only being required to pay for the infrastructure cost. We are currently investing a small part (€50 each) of the donations we receive in development of Lemmy and Mastodon, but the majority of the donations we receive are used for covering infrastructure costs. We’re currently just about breaking even with the donations we receive, but it’s certainly not enough to cover a large part of Lemmy or other software development costs.
We’re looking to support sustainable software development for all the services we provide and will post similar announcements on our other platforms to promote donations towards the respective development teams in the coming days.
You can find the original announcement by @[email protected] below:
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/29579005
An open source project the size of Lemmy needs constant work to manage the project, implement new features and fix bugs. Dessalines and I work full-time on these tasks and more. As there is no advertising or tracking, all of our work is funded through donations. Unfortunately the amount of donations has decreased to only 2000€ per month. This leaves only 1000€ per developer, which is not enough to pay my bills. With the current level of donations I will be forced to find another job, and drastically reduce my contributions to Lemmy. To avoid this outcome and keep Lemmy growing, I ask you to please make a recurring donation:
Liberapay | Ko-fi | Patreon | OpenCollective | Crypto
If you want more information before donating, consider the comparison with Reddit. It began as startup funded by rich investors. The site is managed by corporate executives who over time have become more and more disconnected from normal users. Their main goal is to make investors happy and to make a profit. This leads to user-hostile decisions like firing the employee responsible for AMAs, blocking third-party apps and more. As Reddit is a single website under a single authority, it means all users need to follow the same rules, including ridiculous ones like censoring the name “Luigi”.
Lemmy represents a new type of social media which is the complete opposite of Reddit. It is split across many different websites, each with its own rules, and managed by normal people who actually care about the users. There is no company and no profit motive. Much of the work is carried out by volunteer admins, mods and posters, who contribute out of enthusiasm and not for money. For users this is great as there is no advertising nor tracking, and no chance of takeover by a billionaire. Additionally there are no builtin political or ideological restrictions. You can use the software for any purpose you like, add your own restrictions or scrutinize its inner workings. Lemmy truly belongs to everyone.
Dessalines and I work fulltime on Lemmy to keep up with all the feature requests, bug reports and development work. Even so there is barely enough time in the day, and no time for a second job. Previously I sometimes had to rely on my personal savings to keep developing Lemmy for you, but that can’t go on forever. We partly rely on NLnet for funding, but they only pay for development of new features, and not for mandatory maintenance work. The only available option are user donations. To keep it viable donations need to reach a minimum of 5000€ per month, resulting in a modest salary of 2500€ per developer. If that goal is reached Dessalines and I can stop worrying about money, and fully focus on improving the software for the benefit of all users and instances. Please use the link below to see current donation stats and make your contribution! We especially rely on recurring donations to secure the long-term development and make Lemmy the best it can be.
edit, as this was frequently brought up:
Will donations to Lemmy development go towards the operation of lemmy.ml?
It depends on the donation method used and is limited to around 2% of the minimum overall donation goal. The vast majority of donations is exclusively used for developer salaries.
lemmy.ml hosting is only financed by donations via Opencollective. All other donations go exclusively to developer salaries.
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For donations via Open Collective, yes, a tiny fraction of donations towards Lemmy development will go towards the operation of lemmy.ml. The reasons for this include that lemmy.ml is used for testing new releases and also that it’s not worth maintaining a separate donation account for the instance. Additionally, it should be noted that the money going towards lemmy.ml hosting is just a tiny fraction of the funds that are being asked for. Hosting lemmy.ml costs around €100/month, which is only 2% of the stated minimum donation goal.
thanks to those who donate and keep this place running, cuz I can’t right now :)
I would never donate so long as that donation supports lemmy.ml
Based on the general community sentiment I’ve seen and your reports of barely breaking even here, you can either break from the tankies or watch lemmy die without enough funds.
lemmy.ml hosting is only financed by donations via Opencollective. All other donations go exclusively to developer salaries.
Are you aware that the top and bottom part of the post are from completetly different people? The top part is from Lemmy.world’s admin, while the bottom part is from one of the Lemmy developers (and Lemmy.ml’s admin).
…are you under the impression that they’re unrelated?
As stated in the post, donating to lemmy.world infra costs always means that a portion of your donation goes to lemmy devs. Said devs have very explicitly stated that part of those donations finance lemmy.ml
it’s around 2.5% of our monthly expenses that go to the lemmy devs. 2% of the stated minimum donation goal would be the hosting costs for lemmy.ml. with the assumption that the lemmy donation goals is met, that would mean around 0.05% of the donations to lemmy.world/fedihosting foundation are used for lemmy.ml hosting costs.
this was already explained in a few other places in the comments here, but in the end, even if it wasn’t directly going to instance operating costs, if you pay people a salary and they then take it out of their own pockets there is no real difference, as the money would still end up in the same place.
Yes, correct, that’s why I’m not donating. I don’t want to be paying lemmy.ml.
A small amount of support is still explicit support.
as this has since been clarified by @[email protected], i have updated my comment above and can confirm that it is in fact 0% of lemmy.world/fedihosting foundation donations that go towards the lemmy.ml instance rather than 0.05%.
Sorry but gotta highlight the maths here
0.05%
You would have to give L.w $10,000 for L.ml to get $5
They probably got more value from your posts in this thread in an abstract sense
A small amount of support is still explicit support. I don’t support lemmy.ml, and I’m not going to donate any of my money to them.
If lemmy.world wants my money, they need to alter where their donations go 🤷♂️ I’m not going to rage on the topic or anything, but they’re not getting my money
Okay, but maybe think about what happens to all this if it doesn’t get funded. No one is forcing you to pay, it’s entirely your choice after all, just like it is to try and put people off.
Wanna go back to Reddit?
This is, unfortunately, the necessary view to take. Lemmy the software is a net positive, but nobody should be giving money to support their extremism and love of censorship, particularly when it happens on what’s arguably the “official” instance.
Numotic and Dessalines actively cultivate very toxic content:
- Pro-Russia, blaming Ukraine as a Nazi aggressor;
- Pro-Chinese Communist Party, banning discussion of the mistreatment of the Uighur minority or the anti-democratic takeover of Hong Kong;
- Anti-Semitic, going way beyond the confines of criticism of the current Israeli government, on to hateful comments about all Israelis as a people, and sometimes Jews in general,
- Pro-Communism, at times advocating for the violent overthrow of Western governments by Marxist groups.
- Strongly in favor of left wing dictatorships, like Venezuela, decrying any discussion of human rights and democracy as capitalist propaganda.
If you disagree with these positions, too bad! Because your posts will be deleted, or you’ll get banned, or your instance defederated, from ml.
I can’t take people who use the term “tankie” seriously. If you mean Stalinist, say Stalinist. Most of the time these people are creating a dishonest almagam of Stalinism and all Marxism. Genuine Marxism, that is Trotskyism, stood against Stalinist political distortions and resulting degradation of the Soviet Union. Many people, including Trotsky himself, paid the ultimate price for their faithful defence of the ideals of the Russian Revolution and Soviet democracy. By any measure, Stalin was a mass murderer.
Stalin forsook the program of world revolution in favor of the nationalist program socialism in one country. His policies were disastrous and lead to a famine that claimed the lives of millions of Soviet citizens in the period of the early 1930s, through the entire Soviet Union. There is no evidence that this was an intentional policy of genocide. The so-called “Holodomor” is a fabrication of Ukranian nationalists meant to justify their participation in the Nazi’s genocidal war of destruction against the whole Slavic people.
I was a paid patreon member which was supposed to give you access to the dev chat on discord, but despite asking a few times and paying for almost half a year, it just never happened. So I couldn’t take them seriously.
Since I blocked .ml I can’t leave a reply on the original message, and I’m not going to unblock them just because.
No i will never donate , this format is just jerking off Linux enthusiast, and every time I say Linux in unusable I get negatively marked. Content on this is not so good.its many time repeat of Reddit. There is not a easy way or guide on how to use Lemmy and connect to all differn t forums within or even find them .
In total this format is useful but not encouraging. So no donations
Lol no
Nah.
ml can shit itself and rot. So can the rest of Lemmy if that’s not a price that’s worth being paid.
Done. Lemmy is too good not to get properly funded.
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Love lemmy. Don’t love your instance admin/modding philosophy. I don’t want to donate money if you’re going to spend excessive work hours doing the latter. I’d like my donation to go towards making this incredible project survive and even thrive.
What does an average week look like for y’all when it comes to spending your time on this? I understand this may seem entitled or shitty, but frankly I think a number of us feel similarly about the matter.
this would better be asked on the original post by nutomic: https://lemmy.ml/post/29579005
nutomic previously also shared on matrix that he is not participating in moderation except for removing spam.
edit: commented this before refreshing, so i didn’t see nutomic already replied
Personally I dont do any moderation, other than banning an obvious spam account once in a while. I simply dont have time for it and leave it to other people.
Fair enough appreciate the response
Dessalines and I work fulltime on Lemmy
They should spend more time devving and less time mod actioning wrongthink
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part of those donations go to lemmy.ml’s server upkeep
If that’s true, that’s misappropriating the donations being that they’re billed as supporting development. Server maintenance and upkeep is important, but do not mislead your benefactors to do so, lest you destroy their trust and stop donating to your cause.
I would like it if both @[email protected] and @[email protected] could confirm or put to rest if this is true.
Consider the following:
- nutomic and dessalines are human beings with finite resources.
- nutomic and dessalines pay money to run lemmy.ml.
- Thus, some of their finite monetary resources go to running lemmy.ml.
- Much of their finite monetary resources go to keeping themselves sheltered, alive, and presumably accommodated with some basic first-world niceties.
- They raise donations for the development of Lemmy because otherwise they would have to be employed either at all or more than they already are to spend time working on Lemmy so they could continue to be sheltered and alive.
This isn’t some scandal if you understand basic microeconomics. Inherently this is true unless nutomic or dessalines stop running lemmy.ml or find a way to run it off of dreams and unicorn farts. They’re not “misappropriating funds” or whatever; the nature of funds is that they’re fungible.
It’s not a scandal that funds are used to run a test instance but it is problematic that the developers hold extreme political views and are very public about it.
That’s always going to limit who is willing to donate.
Exactly. Everyone in here is like “oh, .ml is their test instance - there’s nothing they can do about it!”
Like, you could make your test instance not a cesspool, and then people would be a lot more willing to support it.
Couldn’t they have a designated instance for testing and then have users volunteer to join? Thereby, using the instance solely for testing purposes and to get feedback ?
It could even be a limited amount of users so the server costs wouldn’t be so high.
Guaranteed they’re just using the excuse of a test instance to push their idealogy.
That would be the normal way of operating. You don’t test on production. It’s unheard of. It’s a bad idea. But coming from leninists, it’s very on brand.
you lost me at
These monetary resources are fungible
because that’s crypto bro talk.
because that’s crypto bro talk.
Fungibility is a basic term in economics to describe interchangeability. 💀 Fucking hell. I’m using it at all because I’m having to get basic enough to describe the microeconomics of how giving money to human beings is inherently donating to everything human beings do, not just specifically what it’s nominally being used for. That you’ve only ever heard it in terms of cryptocurrency isn’t my fault.
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Lemmy.ml is a test server, it’s needed for development
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Donations pay their salaries, everything donated goes towards their living expenses in general. If they go to the movies, you are also paying for that. It’s the same as a company paying programming workers xyz wage, that’s the price of software labor, but it doesn’t mean all of that money directly goes to the bare necessities for maintaining dev work.
Yet said test server is a toxic cesspit of tankies who actively brigade and harass those who disagree with them : /
There are a lot of Marxists on servers run by Marxists. I wouldn’t call disagreements toxic or brigading being especially worse on Lemmy.ml than other instances.
No, it is notably worse on the tankie triad, I can disagree with someone from slrpnk and they wont send me death threads or mass downvote anything that critical of their views unlike many of Lemmy.ml’s userbase.
I haven’t really seen what you describe, I do think if you’re saying something extremely unpopular in an area getting downvoted is to be expected, though.
Yeah a lot of shitheads there , maybe go back to reddit?
Nope you are free to defederate and block if you want to believe your fantasies
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The devs need an instance with real users and real load to test changes.
lemmy.ml is that test instance.
It’s a non-optional part of the dev pipeline, that’s why its upkeep is financed by dev donations, too.
So, it is true, and it isn’t misleading supporters, or misappropriating donations.No, they don’t. In professional software development you have testing systems and production systems. You DONT test on production. You DON’T use testing as production.
They don’t need real users or real load. If they can’t generate/simulate testing loads. They aren’t serious developers worth funding.
If you have a current budget of $1000/month, per dev, you are forced to relax a little on best practices.
This isn’t a professional endeavour, and it won’t be until donations increase by a factor of 5+.If you are a single hobbyist coder working from your bedroom at night in your spare time for a piece of software used by five people. Maybe.
If you’re developing a software used by tens of thousands of people, whom you are soliciting for donations. While telling them that sorry your donations must go towards funding a genocide denying authoritarian echo chamber. Hell no, to put it politely.
What if you’re working full time, developing a software used by tens of thousands of people, but their donations only amount to a hobbyist contribution?
You are basically demanding enterprise quality from devs who get $1000/month for their 40h/week work.That’s straight up ridiculous.
Or rather, unrealistic.
At this point, if the devs acted economically, they’d simply stop working on lemmy, take a software dev job, and earn 8x more money.
And you are somehow still criticizing them for not doing more, while they are making lemmy possible, for peanuts.You know what? FUCK YOU!
Sounds like that should be more of an incentive to make sure the instance isn’t shit then.
Maybe it’s just me, but I’ve never before seen mention of this; this is the type of stuff that should be mentioned in blurbs like the one above. People who are not aware of lemmy.ml being a test server may find it off putting otherwise.
lemmy.ml hosting is only financed by donations via Opencollective. All other donations go exclusively to developer salaries.
This is, unfortunately, the necessary view to take. Lemmy the software is a net positive, but nobody should be giving money to support their extremism and love of censorship, particularly when it happens on what’s arguably the “official” instance.
Numotic and Dessalines actively cultivate very toxic content:
- Pro-Russia, blaming Ukraine as a Nazi aggressor;
- Pro-Chinese Communist Party, banning discussion of the mistreatment of the Uighur minority or the anti-democratic takeover of Hong Kong;
- Anti-Semitic, going way beyond the confines of criticism of the current Israeli government, on to hateful comments about all Israelis as a people, and sometimes Jews in general,
- Pro-Communism, at times advocating for the violent overthrow of Western governments by Marxist groups.
- Strongly in favor of left wing dictatorships, like Venezuela, decrying any discussion of human rights and democracy as capitalist propaganda.
If you disagree with these positions, too bad! Because your posts will be deleted, or you’ll get banned, or your instance defederated, from ml.
For those with decision paralysis, Liberapay is a great choice. They’re a France-based non-profit which is itself run off of donations which it crowdfunds on its own platforn (pretty based tbh), and the site itself is FOSS.
Thanks for contributing! It’s sad to see so many people focus on unnecessary drama
Why not just use Reddit then instead of focusing on some drama about the CEO and how they handle moderation?
We’re not under the administrative control of any of Lemmy’s developers as far as I’m aware, unless you’re suggesting that Lemmy’s federation is a facade and every instance’s administration is secretly a tankie puppet government who are just really, really, imperceptibly subtle about it.
How does one AVOID funding .ml?
As much as I dislike a lot of .ml, it costs like €30/month to run. Not much of your money would be going to it.
donating to lemmy helps every other instance much more than it helps .ml.
As someone else pointed out the donation would also fund .ml moderation time not only the development
My employer funds my shitposting here on Lemmy, the only difference is they aren’t aware of it.
As unpalatable what they do in their free time is, I think you have to draw the line somewhere on what you’re okay with supporting. I don’t think it’s okay, for example, for a delivery driver for a brewing company to be fired for drinking a different brand of beer, but it is okay for him to be fired for assaulting someone while on the company clock. Where this line is drawn is going to vary from person to person. I personally would be happier if they had a clearer separation of their personal and professional activities. I’m not sure if I will donate to them or not at this point. I have donated to my instance, which doesn’t appear to pass donations on to the developers, which means I will have to actively make a decision for where I stand on this 😬. It would be easier if their test bed didn’t also promote their unpalatable views.
Yeah idk where to draw like with ml and lemmygrad. To me these are clear net negative on humanity but Lemmy itself got enough traction from sane people to kinda counter balance that.
are clear net negative on humanity
oh please, cry me a river
Addressed this in an edited-in second paragraph. Answer is “unfortunately, you can’t” unless you wish to fork Lemmy. But as someone who’s sickened to my core by tankie ideas, I still think funding this piece of FOSS is by far the lesser evil, I think I make a compelling argument for it, and I do think the Lemmy team do good work on the software side.
If I can hold my nose and vote for the lesser evil, I need to follow that same principle when it’s not just my vote I’m casting but where I’m putting my time and money.
As far as I know their politics and views have had zero impact on the code.
Entirely true, but as I said, it seems that a small proportion of whatever’s donated goes to the server costs of .ml since it’s run by Lemmy’s maintainers. It’s understandable and even a good thing to be put off by that.
Almost true, being Communists has certainly influenced the reasons for Lemmy as a federated, anticapitalist alternative to Reddit to begin with.
I don’t mind communists/socialists. I largely agree with them. I do mind tankies.
“Tankie” is the same as “pinko” and “commie,” it’s just a pejorative for those who support Socialist countries. The major views of the Marxists on Lemmy are in line with the views of various Communist parties worldwide.
No it absolutely is not.
Socialist countries are Norway and Denmark.
Simply not true. “Tankie” is NOT the same as “Pinko” or “Commie.” There are 2 major strains of communist political thought. There’s authoritarian communism and anarchocommunism. Anarchocommunists are Marxist, authoritarian communists are Marxist-Leninist (or bolshevik, or Stalinist). I DO agree with you that the major views of Marxists on Lemmy are in line with the views of various communist parties worldwide, but I DO NOT agree that these communist parties that people like you are aligned with are either the totality of communist thought, or representative of how all communists think. When a communist like me calls a communist like you a tankie, it’s because when I look at the history of authoritarian communism, I notice a pattern of suffering and stratification amongst the populace. The USSR exploited labor and was, ultimately, a capitalist nationalist imperialist colonial state.
And before you go saying I support liberalism, I do not. There is not a binary between USSR style communism and American style capitalism. When you get down to it, they are in effect means to the same end. A system of enriching a central cabal of power authority at the cost of the average global citizen.
So in summary. “Tankie” is not a label that right wingers apply to discredit leftist thought. It’s a label left wingers use to discredit right wing thought masquerading as left wing thought.
I am not a tankie and its annoying to be called like that all the time.
Did not call you specially a tankie. But ml has a lot of tankies.
Good point. Also worth remembering that for all the complaints about abuse of power by mods, not only is the federated nature of Lemmy intended to give an opportunity for people to move off of instances with policies they don’t like, but the open modlog also exists as a measure of full transparency.
Both great features implemented by these very developers.
Exactly, which is why spending time on instance drama is silly. Federation and defederation are tools, along with personal blocking, for a reason.
As far as I know their politics and views have had zero impact on the code.
Adding to what Cowbee said, general anticapitalist politics were the motivation for their effort and the reason it is not a for-profit exploitative service. They don’t want or need to put in addictive features or ads to profit or appease venture capital, and that’s no coincidence, it’s a decision resulting from their political beliefs.
But yes, their more specific personal political views don’t really impact the code and haven’t prevented others from using it freely.
Sure, but if this is basically paying them to make this their job, I don’t want their job to be modding/admin’ing their instance. I don’t want to pay them to platform tankies and ban others in such a direct fashion.
That’s actually impossible. Politics is a question of systems engineering. Programming is a question of systems engineering. Creating propaganda is a matter of creating and disseminating information in a particular way. Coding is a matter of creating and disseminating information in a particular way. A person’s outlook will always influence the programs they design, the platforms they build, and the algorithms they tune.
Give your money to any other product or service
If they want money for Lemmy then they can step down or stop being shitty mode
lmao what does step down even mean anyone can fork it and start working on it
getting traction for a fork is never that simple. as of now there is not the kind of consensus that you look for at fork time that leadership needs to change. but the groundswell is growing
I’m mixed. On one hand, absolutely fuck .ml and tankies. On the other, these guys have done great work. The way it’s set up, Lemmy is not at all beholden to their ideology. We can take it over at any time, and any further work they do benefits all of us, and that can’t be taken away.
As a fellow developer, I truly believe Rust is the way to go for high pressure, high scaling software. I don’t think LW alone could run off of your average python. EVE Online is a great example of that. They pushed python forward to meet their high demand needs, and still had to incorporate a lot of C++. Reddit has had teams of engineers over decades, and in the long run I expect Lemmy to be more efficient. In my professional opinion, this kind of scaling can’t be reasonably done with any garbage collected language.
My other concern is with sanctions. Are these guys in Russia? Is it legal to donate to them? If you’re paying by check or credit card, those institutions will take care of following the law for you.
Overall, I’d encourage people to donate. Open software benefits everyone and any work they do for us is public and can never be taken back.
My other concern is with sanctions. Are these guys in Russia? Is it legal to donate to them? If you’re paying by check or credit card, those institutions will take care of following the law for you.
I’m 99.99% sure they’re not in Russia. I feel like I’ve read they’re in the Netherlands but that needs fact checking.
To my knowledge are the lemmy.world guys from the netherlands. At least the 2 admins. And the FediHosting Foundation lemmy.world (and e.g. mastodon.world, etc) belongs to is in the Netherlands.
No idea about dessalines though. but i don’t think russia either.
our foundation is in NL, because that’s where @[email protected] is located, but the active admin and infra team members are distributed across the world with members in Netherlands, Germany and USA currently.
Thanks for the clarification. Appreciate it.
As a developer, would you test on production though? I’m not a professional developer. However I’m quite familiar with it. Family developing and IT for massive companies. You don’t need real people to generate traffic. You just don’t. Lemmy.ml being the test server is a selfish bullshit excuse.
Not primarily, of course. You have a local and QA instance, but some things only come out at real scale or with real data. You can’t think of everything to have it added to testing. Having your own, real instance that gets to serve as beta and accessible telemetry really helps.
LW functions at the opposite end of the spectrum. They try to maintain the most stability, which also makes sense.
Absolutely, and generally; those come out under different hardware and software combinations on other people’s deployed systems. Not your dev system.
Yes LW operates at the opposite end of the spectrum. I’d donate to them if they need it. Because they’re professional. Whereas the devs of Lenny are unprofessional and dishonest. There’s no excuse for their behavior. If they can’t afford proper testing systems. Then ask for donations for that. Both hardware, software or funds. I’m sure it’d get thrown at them in spades. Or at least way better than demanding everyone swallow away poison pill at the same time. This oh you must accept funding Lemmy ml as an unprofessional contraversial Echo chamber/hobby. Won’t work for a lot of people for good reason.
lemmy.ml is not the primary test server.
there are multiple dedicated test instances that are used for development purposes.
testing on lemmy.ml is mostly happening for release candidates that require actual user activity to find remaining bugs, at the point where it’s getting close to a proper release.
Would it be fair to describe it as “lemmy.ml is the beta test server, while there’s an internal server for alpha testing”?
Whether it’s the primary or not doesn’t really change things.
It could just as easily be rolled out to a select circle of instances that wish to help with the testing, as many other foss projects do. Funding them developing it is one thing. Funding such a bad echo chamber another. This ethical and image problem is what will stop adoption of the software, and is already driving plenty of people away. Or to mbin/kbin, pifed, miskey etc. There are plenty of people I would not recommend Lemmy to because of these issues. It is unfortunately however their repo and codebase to mismanage. And our money not to donate.
lemmy.ml is already entirely funded, your donations go entirely to our salaries.
God, no. If Lemmy today is gonna be all spam of the shitheads begging for money then I guess it’s closer to death than I thought
I mean, that’s a fundamental part of many open source projects. I recently got an email from a few asking for the same because of economic troubles, and many people are feeling the squeeze right now and cut their donations first.
It doesn’t necessarily mean that a project is about to fail. But it’s often the case that with better support, they could aspire to do more.
they either have insane funding and no releases, or low to no funding and constant releases lol
Spamming the entire page of every instance is not a fundamental part of FOSS projects, and is just another example of the dogshit Lemmy devs being dogshit
You do realise that it was each instance admin that posted outside of .ml They only posted once. I feel like this is obvious, but posting once and having others cross post is not spamming
I’ll take a grassroots donation campaign over ads any day.
There are other services that can provide what Lemmy does without supporting their admins where your money would be better off going. Or just use adblockers like an adult, lol
That’s actually been my plan, jump ship when .ml’s toxicity finally sank Lemmy, cuz I’m too lazy to do anything until shit actually happens
Surely you can see how ridiculous you sound.
“i don’t want to support the open source, non-ad driven platform that won’t harvest and sell my data. So I’m going to go to platforms that do that and try to dodge their attempts instead.”
Let’s ignore the fact that you are probably not good enough to get away with what you think you are (an ad blocker is not going to give you real privacy), you really don’t see the benefit to having a platform that just… Doesn’t do that shit?
If that’s not the case, then leave. But don’t sit here and try to spike attempts at making this sustainable.
Putting a lot of words in my mouth there, bud
My problem is with this specific platforms owners, and I never advocated for the alternative of corp sites
Calm down and think for 3 seconds next time
You know telling people to calm down is inherently antagonistic and doesn’t cool off the conversation so how about you stop and think for 3 seconds next time before bashing your face into your keyboard and gracing us with whatever inane bullshit dumps out of your head.
You know telling people to calm down is inherently antagonistic
Says the dickwad calling me ridiculous and rambling about whatever came to their mind
Someone’s mad I called out their shitty take, whine harder
I’m fine. You seem rather angry. You should calm down.
Calm down and think for 3 seconds next time
If you just leave this bullshit our of your replies, nobody would think you’re a raging, idiot narcissist. Write and then delete it, if that makes you feel better, but nobody is ever going to engage with you in good faith while you act like this.
If you just leave this bullshit our of your replies, nobody would think you’re a raging, idiot narcissist
If you think I’m that because of the reply to the guy who wanted about me based on nothing that’s a you problem, homie
but nobody is ever going to engage with you in good faith while you act like this.
They already weren’t, as you already saw, guy just made a whole AU fanfic about me. Not surprising, they do shit like that regularly according to the user note I have
Personal anecdote: after going vegan a few years ago, a lot of criticisms of veganism I’ve seen have taught me that these kinds of holier-than-thou attacks of less-than-perfect action often come from people who don’t want to take any action themselves.
The cognitive dissonance arises that the people taking action feel good about what they’re doing, and they suddenly feel deep down like they could be doing something wrong by not taking action. To resolve it, in lieu of taking action, they justify why they shouldn’t, usually “well that’s not literally perfect, so actually why should I should do anything?” Meanwhile, the people taking the less-than-perfect action are even more painfully aware of its flaws but are putting in the work to do better than they would’ve been otherwise.
This is definitely a good comparison!
FWIW: I hate seeing all the mockery vegan people get. I think a lot of people project this idea that you all think you’re superior, when ultimately you’re just making a decision that inconveniences you more than anybody else.
Then jump
Does it look like it’s sunk? I get that you .ml people aren’t the brightest bulbs in the box but you can usually do better than that
^ the non-toxic instance users, everyone
You’re concern trolling and wrecking in multiple donations threads created to support the platform and the devs who created it. You can just leave and join one of the alternatives instead.
Careful, someone might see that and say that your observation does not mater because your from .ml
I use Lemmy despite these alternatives existing.
I contribute nothing in terms of development or money to these Lemmy alternatives or to Lemmy.
If ads have to come, I’ll just use adblockers “like an adult” to the detriment of other users.
How is running ads on instances supposed to fuel development costs when everyone uses an adblocker? Who cares, fuck you.
Then I’m going to go out of my way to bitch and moan about people contributing to Lemmy’s development so there’s a corner of the Internet that isn’t suffocated with corporate garbage.
$100 says you’re only here because you got booted from Reddit for shitty behavior, not unfair treatment, the rampant enshittification, or a belief that FOSS or the Fediverse are better. Just donated another $10 to compensate for your “the ‘F’ in FOSS stands for freeloading” ass.
$100 says you’re only here because you got booted from Reddit for shitty behavior, not unfair treatment, the rampant enshittification, or a belief that FOSS or the Fediverse are better
Cool, send me my money cuz you can trace this account right back to the API incident on Reddit. Nice try, dipshit
Just donated another $10 to compensate for your “the ‘F’ in FOSS stands for freeloading” ass.
Cool, waste your money, stay mad you pathetic bootlicker
Can I, though? Can I really trace it?
I’ve told the story before: told an admin on Reddit calling anyone who played Hogwarts: Legacy transphobic an idiot
That was months before the API disaster, I had been using an alt for quite a while
That’s also not this account, which is the one I was talking about. What’s up with the people in my replies doing absolutely 0 fucking thinking today?
Look frankly I don’t love this, but how the hell else do you expect this to get done? We can’t just expect people to work for free all the time in a predominantly capitalist world. They have to eat.
Are you developing the platform? Do you have another idea for How to pay their bills?
but how the hell else do you expect this to get done?
I dont, specifically because of who the money goes to
We can’t just expect people to work for free all the time in a predominantly capitalist world. They have to eat.
They can also just not continue development if they don’t get the money. That’s a fine option, too
Are you developing the platform? Do you have another idea for How to pay their bills?
No, and many, but it’s also not my concern at all given the shitstains the developers are
If they stop development this all dies.
Oh no! Not like there are alternatives we could swap to immediately!
Lemmy is the vast majority of Reddit-like community. Mbin is fledgling, Kbin is dead. A few others puttering around.
It wouldn’t necessarily be the end of the world, but that’s a pretty fucking hard reset if Lemmy collapses. There are a lot of of us here who really like being here.
they expect other ppl to tap in, they think they are stopping other ppl from helping lol
.ml is needed for development. I’d support its existence even if I’d rather defederate.
.ml is needed for development
An instance is, it does not have to be theirs or run the way they do
Sounds like a really good reason to not make that incredibly important test instance so shitty and toxic then, but that’s the choice they made.
I know your not from .world, but if we are talking about toxic instances, in my experence the worst ones have been beehaw and world.
Holy shit, from your comment history it does not surprise me at all that you think that.
No ads and no algorithm isn’t free.
Folks, open your wallets and throw a few bucks Lemmy’s way. I’m a monthly donor myself, and I consider it money well-spent compared to the shit show that is every other social media platform.
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