The March 14 directive, signed by Attorney General Pam Bondi, uses an obscure 18th-century law — the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 — to give law enforcement nationwide the power to bypass basic constitutional protections.
According to the memo, agents can break into a home if getting a warrant is “impracticable,” and they don’t need a judge’s approval. Instead, immigration officers can sign their own administrative warrants. The bar for action is low — a “reasonable belief” that someone might be part of a Venezuelan gang is enough.
Send bachelors.
Sounds a little too familiar
Well, constitutionally, they can’t for whatever that’s worth now.
That bold faced liar can go right to hell.
Looking forward to this being challenged in a state with Stand Your Ground laws where warrantless trespassing is legally the same as any other trespassing.
I’m personally opposed to lethal force being used to protect property in general, but there are places where that is essentially legal due to Stand Your Ground laws.
Thus far these bozos have demonstrated a pattern of showing up without uniforms, with masks on, refusing to identify themselves, show badges, or produce warrants.
This is needless to say an incredibly stupid thing for them to do, especially if they plan to also go around kicking in people’s doors. I personally know an old man who got off the hook for shooting a state cop in my area who tried the same. I think the only hope the Dummkstaffel here has of making a charge stick against a homeowner who blows one of them away will be to somehow make it Federal, because otherwise I think the state courts – especially in blue areas – are not going to treat any warrantless door-kicking by nonuniformed armed men who refuse to identify themselves very kindly.
Also, the person may go to jail, but dead is dead. The person shot will be gone, and may make others be more cautious, as hopelessly goulish as that thought is. I hope that things calm down and the rule of law returns before things escalate that far. I don’t recognize the country right now.
Well, that’s pretty much how the entire crime and punishment system is supposed to work. Do the crime, get got for it, others hoping to do the same thing will hopefully think twice before doing so in the future.
Therefore I think it’s completely fair that this script gets flipped on the fascists who are pretending to be “law” enforcement.
I think the only hope the Dummkstaffel here has of making a charge stick against a homeowner who blows one of them away will be to somehow make it Federal
It would be federal, because it would be a federal agent getting shot. Any murder of a federal officer–including postal carriers–is a federal crime, in addition to being a state crime. OTOH, remember that a large number of federal judges are not friendly to Herr Fuhrer.
Yes, and also aren’t hordes of these dipshits local cops that Trump is aiming to “deputize” to assist ICE? Those guys are not Federal agents no matter how hard they wish.
Well, the immigration official can sign the warrant themselves, so… still a warrant if I’m hearing right. But, a super fucked up warrant nonetheless.
Warrants from entities involved in enforcement aren’t warrants for the 4th amendment.
Your opposed to it, but now you also see the sole reason the 2nd exists. If ever the government does something like warrantless trespassing, it’s our civic duty to use our 2nd amendment rights to remind them we oppose tyranny. That said, never thought this would happen in our lifetimes. Worlds a changing.
There are very few people who would survive this tactic though.
Still seems like a stupid plan—2nd amendment or not (which is really not what the 2nd was about before courts made it anyway). At best you take one with you on the way out, if you’re ready when they break in. At this point I’d still rather be detained than dead.
If everyone they illegally targeted managed to take one this problem would be quickly resolved
Any statement that begins with “If everyone one…” is going to be followed by something that would be great, but won’t happen. As much as we may both 100% believe it should.
I’ve never imagined I’d survive a fascist regime.
^ This, 100%
Some of us don’t have the luxury to keep our heads down and blend in when fascists want to target those who are “different.” That’s why I am outspoken about it - I can’t hide who I am, and even if I could, I’d refuse to live a lie.
I don’t have kids, I don’t have pets, the only person depending on my survival is me. If fascists come to take me, I’d rather go down and take them with me than go into the black hole (an entity from which nothing escapes) of a foreign prison/death camp.
To assume one will merely be “detained” and given due process in the United States is, sadly, a naïve take in 2025.
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Fuck fascists
At this point I’d still rather be detained than dead.
I’m well past that point. Especially with this fascist dictatorship. Being detained will likely get us tortured or thrown into a concentration camp. I’d rather die resisting these fuckers than die in some torture room.
Doesn’t seem like it really matters if the courts rule against it. The judicial branch has no enforcement mechanism, and no one seems to be willing to escalate.
Yes they do. The US Marshall service is considered the judicial armed police force. Though at the moment they enforce immigration as one of their functions they would be the ones to arrest federal cops for doing unconstitutional (illegal) shit in theory.
Unfortunately wrong. The marshals work for Pam Bondi at the DOJ. Still under the control of the executive.
Sounds like something an illegal alien would say… /s
Oh well. The not-at-all-obscure law I’m using states they better use hearing protection. Gunshots is loud.
The memo and policy are not meant to survive Constitutional challenge. It facially and clearly violates it:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
No, this is meant to give the veneer of an arguably defensible policy, just enough that it ties the issue up in courts long enough for Trump to secure permanent dictatorial power, and at that point it will not to matter anymore.
Shoot all trespassers.
Where are the 2A advocates when you need them.
Based on your instance, I’m going to have to assume you’re Canadian and thus not informed on the minuta of state level politics and how they vary state to state.
Right here.
Shoot 'em in the dick.
Even if they have full-coverage soft armor, and not just a plate carrier, that’s gonna drop 'em instantly. Can’t walk with a 9mm through your pelvis, and there are a lot or arteries going through there.
Also, I’m a certified basic pistol instructor; if any of y’all are looking for non-chuds to get some basic training from, look up the Liberal Gun Club, the Socialist Rifle Association (altho competency varies a lot from chapter to chapter), or Operation Blazing Sword.
What lists do feds put you on for joining those
We’re here.
Right fucking here. Notice they’re picking on people highly unlikely to fight back? Come for my brown, legal-migrant wife, see what happens.
You’re going to get into a firefight with federal cops with your wife around? Genuinely asking what the “find out” part is
What’s the alternative? Stay silent and let her disappear to the El Salvador death camp? Take a few of them with you.
Im willing to bet the odds she’ll die at the death camp are lower than in a close quarters gunfight with a bunch of dumbfucks firing away.
Feel free to go out in an unnecessary blaze of glory though. Very macho 👌
I’d do my best to make sure I could see my wife again
Well we know who would snitch on their Jewish wife in the 40s.
disgusting low effort troll reply
I stand by the spirit of what I said but it was definitely more crass than intended. You probably wouldn’t snitch on her but you would just say you’d see if you could get visitation as they take her.
Have fun not seeing her no matter your best then.
Either die in a hail of gunfire or never see her again isn’t really the dilemma (yet). trump’s deportations are fucking horrific, but these prisons do not have a 100% death rate. I figure our odds are better fighting to get her out alive rather than a gunfight.
Y’all can keep the wild west fantasy. I’m being realistic ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yes, I’m prepared to die. And that isn’t a knee-jerk macho reaction. I’ve put a great deal of thought into this.
Look, it’s easy for me to say, a middle-aged man who has lived life. Been a few times where I thought, “Shit, this may be it. Can’t say I have many regrets and this day is as fine as another other.” I understand that younger folks want to play out the odds, I would have felt the same in my 20s or 30s, maybe into my 40s.
But at some point you have to draw a moral line in the sand. Literally say, “I’ll die before I allow this.” I will not allow unidentified, warrantless, masked men into my home to kidnap my (legal alien) wife. I see no benefit in going quietly. After all, American cops have taught us by example, if they kick the door in, they are there to kill you. It’s the orge’s choice, die fast or slow. Begging and pleading only gets you killed slower.
SRA, strapped at all times. Can’t do much with small numbers
My MIL went from being an anti-gun democrat to going with my partner and I for shooting lessons this weekend. It’s never publicized, but if you keep your head up, you can see the winds change.
Edit, because I realized I was unclear: This administration woke her up to the dangers of disarming the workers. She’s moved farther left.
Yeah I’m seeing people at the range becoming a lot more diverse and I’m really glad they’re getting the practice in and not just the firearm.
Silently supporting this… After all the babies we sacrificed at school to keep their guns under threat of tyranny… Well it’s freaking here and where are they? Oh being the disingenuous bags a shit they have always been
“According to the memo, agents can break into a home if getting a warrant is “impracticable,” and they don’t need a judge’s approval.”
They’re going to have a fun time here in Oregon:
https://oregon.public.law/statutes/ors_161.219
"a person is not justified in using deadly physical force upon another person unless the person reasonably believes that the other person is:
(1) Committing or attempting to commit a felony involving the use or threatened imminent use of physical force against a person; or
(2) Committing or attempting to commit a burglary in a dwelling; or
(3) Using or about to use unlawful deadly physical force against a person. [1971 c.743 §23]"
They really haven’t thought this out long-term. The Panthers knew a thing or two about gun rights and the right to self-defense. These Nazi policies are endangering the state’s monopoly on violence.
Fellow Oregonian here and i love that you posted this!! Thank you!
Thanks. I have two guns in my home and will be keeping them close by and loaded.
No kids, just in case anyone was worried.
“Fuck your rights.” - the party who claims to love the constitution
Gestapo did it first.
Things are getting to a terrifying level… 😭
Land of the free.
Home of the Depraved
I FULLY Support this! If the Founders KNEW what the Future held they WOULDNT have written the Constitution the Way they Had!
-Pro Life Americans who FERVENTLY Defend School Shooters after they MURDER a School full of 6 Year Olds because the Founders could NEVER be Wrong!
a “reasonable belief” that someone might be part of a Venezuelan gang is enough.
Considering they’ve actively deported someone for having a tattoo that supports autism awareness as evidence of being a Venezuelan gang member, the fact I had a burrito for lunch today is probably an equally “reasonable belief” for them.
This is an alarming suspension of all of the protections of the Constitution if this is allowed to stand.
Hey, this guy had a burrito, let’s get him! Also, we may as well pick up his family at the same time, and his neighbors if they make a fuss!
Don’t forget to shoot my dog before you leave. /s
It’s really the most humane solution since you’d all be unavailable to feed it.
I have a temporary tattoo, one of the plant ink ones that last for up to 2 weeks. It’s a derpy black cat. Probably a Venezuelan gang symbol.
Probably a terrible idea … but … someone/people should hand out temporary MS13 tattoos at protests. Organize it so everyone can get one.
Straight to CECOT with you! /s
