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What the fuck is this comment section even? Is vape vs cig the new Star Trek vs Star Wars, where fans of either side congregate to tear into each other with enough vitriol to make both vape and cig look healthy in comparison?
At least on Reddit, i was getting blasted because I pointed out vapers here in Australia were constantly breaking the laws and were using vaping as an excuse to vape inside “because it’s just water vapor”.
If it’s just water vapor, then you don’t need to do it in the cabin of a train mate… or right at the entrance of the supermarket so every one needs to breathe in your smoke when they enter
Over smokers in general. To make things worse, a lot of “free thinkers” tend to be smoking. Because nothing demonstrates your ability to think independently by being conned into using an addictive substance that harms you
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but personally, I’ve run out of fucks to give about the whole debate. I have an opinion, sure, but I don’t want to throw it into the sewage pool that is the discussion in this comment section.
With barely an ounce of fact or dialogue. It’s from such a personal place. Weird and sad. I agree with another comment - this is mostly the internet now.
Each new import batch from Reddit these days is lower quality :)
You been on the internet lately?
Every single thing is like this now. It’s always some “i’m right, the other guys are idiots!”
Before the Internet was popular there were decals being sold of Calvin from Calvin and Hobbes pissing on the logo for Ford or Chevy.
I’m sure dueling fandoms have been around longer than that, too.
Doing his part to bring down America.
Oh yeah, even higher chance of cancer, what’s not to love
certainly not the disgusting smell that’s for sure
Don’t be so sure about that one.
That’s Zyn and not Vapes
I agree it seems that “smokeless tobacco” means “consuming tobacco by putting it in your mouth rather than putting nicotine into air and inhaling it”. I assumed that “smokeless tobacco” included “vaporized nicotine”, probably due to my unfamiliarity with nicotine products.
Regardless, it seems that using a vape leads to less harm than using cigarettes:
More research needs to be done, but all the evidence points to vaping being vastly safer than smoking. Of course, your lungs are meant to inhale air and nothing else, so neither is still the best option
Talk for yourself, but I, as a homo sapiens, evolved from a fish. So my Lungs are actually made to breathe water.
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Aw weather controlling atlantean jews. Always knew this was the inevitable conclusion.
seems like lack of regulation resulted in a number of high profile serious cases of harm
obviously smoking is bad but saying vaping is vastly safer assumes best case on one side and worse case on the other
If you don’t want to vape that’s fine but acting like it is worse than smoking is crazy. Just don’t buy sketchy refills or any thc vapes in non legal states. Or you could make your own pretty cheaply.
except a number of those were not from sketchy sources so much as the supply chain is itself sketch
that includes the do it yourself juice
so unless you are doing something dry and even then tests on a number of weed products show really bad chemicals in a number of legit dispense products
so yea unless you are growing the shit yourself the industry is kinda the wild west still atm
but yea sig makers have been caught a number of times doing this shit too, they are just more regulated atm
Oh come on, my guy. This is the perfect set-up. Do I need to make a sprog account just to follow you around and show you up?
“Stop smoking those!” the people said, as Timmy dragged away.
“You know those things’ll kill you!” for the fourteenth time that day.
But Timmy’s breaks were longer, since he took the habit on,
and now he was addicted, smoking cigs from dusk to dawn.
So, when a woman stopped and said "I know a better form,
you needn’t even quit the stuff, nor need you fear the harm!"
poor Timmy went right down the street and filled his pockets full
of cartridges and flavored oils and other random bull.
He puffed away now on his vape, and brushed his fears aside,
But glycol soon accumulates, and Timmy fucking died.
Nice one! Forgot about poem for your sprog, they still around?
They are. Their last post on Reddit was 16 days ago.
If they used adult diapers instead of toilets in France would you suddenly think it was sophisticated to make us all smell your shitty diaper? So now the rest of us get to choke on your poisonous smoke while you kill yourself slowly. Vaping is just as stupid as smoking but vaping doesn’t force non-smokers to have to smell your nastiness. If you smoke, please just find a faster way to kill yourself; you stink.
I hope you have kids and that they start smoking in their angst-ridden rebellious phase and become lifelong smokers because of it.
Not only that, but I also hope every time you get to see your kids, you smell smoke on their clothes and when you do, may it remind you of this time on lemmy when you said all smokers should find a faster way to kill themselves.
Having kids with the world as it is? That is entirely too cruel. Have some heart.
If you smoke, please just find a faster way to kill yourself
I think thats a bit too rough, you need to calm down a little :)
So, smokers choking me every time I go to a store because they’re standing outside the entrance committing slow motion suicide is gentle? They’re all killing themselves and in the modern world, they know it. 80 years ago the public may have been ignorant of the toxicity of tobacco but in 2025 smokers know damn well that smoking is suicide. I just wish they would do it without me having to choke on their poison with them.
it’s important to remember that these are everyday people who have fallen into an addiction that they desperately would like to quit but can’t.
I do understand your anger though. It is very very annoying and harmful for everyone else around smokers and you are justifiably upset about that.
Instead of being mad at the bottom level people, you should be mad at the billion dollar companies selling people these highly addictive drugs that ruin lives.
I also hate tobacco companies. I don’t actually hate tobacco smokers, I’m annoyed by them. I was addicted to alcohol for a long time. I get that addiction is a rough road but when I drank alcohol, no one was forced to drink with me. Smokers who smoke in public force everyone else to smoke. If they want to do it in their house or their own yard, I don’t care. I feel the same way about people who drive cars. The exhaust pipe should be inside the passenger compartment of the vehicle and they should have to drive with the windows closed. See how many miles they drive when it’s them inhaling their own poison gasses instead of the rest of us.
Actually, let me update those wishes a bit: Not only do I hope your kids become smokers, but now I hope one of them gets a fulfilling, high-paying job as a tobacco company executive.
And after that? May your house be struck by lightning and burn to the ground, and the only thing that saves you from living under a bridge is the fact that your wealthy tobacco company executive offspring can afford to just buy you a new house with his hard-earned tobacco blood money, so that way every day you live your life knowing that your existence is subsidized entirely by smokers.
Bro, I don’t care if you kill yourself with tobacco or by jumping from a high place. You’re free to do what you want. I just shouldn’t have to breathe that nasty shit with you. Smoking is like masturbating. I don’t care but you shouldn’t do it in public spaces.
Okay, how about we compromise? How about I just put up a sign that says “if you don’t like the smoke, get the fuck out of my bar” and that way, you can just choose for yourself whether or not you’d like to give the place your business instead of expecting everyone else there to bend over backwards just to accommodate you?
Smokers are a minority. Far more people are non-smokers than are smokers. Bar owners who cater to smokers are shooting themselves in the foot. Lots of people who like to drink, dance and party avoid bars because they don’t like smoke. Hawaii banned smoking in all buildings open to the public and within 100 feet of the entrance of any building open to the public. Not one bar or nightclub was forced to shut down. The idiots were just forced to poison themselves in private.
Smokers are a minority. Far more people are non-smokers than are smokers. Bar owners who cater to smokers are shooting themselves in the foot.
Wrong. Actually, most club/bar owners really don’t want people like YOU there, because nobody wants you pestering their customers and driving people away.
Lots of people who like to drink, dance and party avoid bars because they don’t like smoke.
^ See, here’s how I know you’re full of BS: I live in a major vacation area and there’s only one single non-smoking club in the entire city.
Hawaii banned smoking in all buildings open to the public and within 100 feet of the entrance of any building open to the public. Not one bar or nightclub was forced to shut down. The idiots were just forced to poison themselves in private.
Then move to Hawaii. I know I’d feel better if people like you were stuck on an island hundreds of miles away from the mainland where you can’t bother the rest of us.
Also, I’d like you to know that every time I encounter an annoying Smoking Nazi like yourself who love giving holier-than-thou lectures about smoking, I instinctually light up a cigarette while they give their anti-smoking lecture, and I intentionally blow the smoke right in their face.
Bro why are you so defensive about a bunch of poison-belching stink bombs?
Bro why are you so defensive about a bunch of poison-belching stink bombs?
^ See, funny thing about me is that when you say things like that, my brain actually interprets it as “Not only do I want you to smoke right next to me, but I also I want you to blow all the smoke right in my face after every puff you take”.
Presumably because they’re just people, and don’t deserve death wished upon them?
Addiction sucks. I quit 2 years ago. It does feel nice to breathe clearly.
Unfathomably based
Plot twist: it was a wax pen.
reject modernity, embrace tradition
Or just stop smoking?
Not an option in France
i quit for a year and a half, then i made the conscious choice to get back on it because life is so utterly shit i might as well enjoy my vices
Hey look it’s a person who’s never been addicted to anything
It is, in fact, possible to quite smoking. I was a regular smoker for a decade. My fiancee asked me to quit, so I did. Haven’t had a cigarette or vape since. That was over a decade ago.
Yes, it’s difficult, and not everyone is able to quit as easily as I did. But don’t pretend like it’s impossible to quit.
No, no… they’re onto something.
Ignoring the realities of addiction is what they’re onto
The reality is that it is hard to quit, but even addicts who haven’t even tried will tell you that. I think it should be encouraged.
How come this type of xenophobia is acceptable?
wat
Anti-american is hot now… I mean it was before too but it is still right now also!
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I was recently in Europe. It’s not even about health. Guys, stop it, you smell like shit.
For a vape go in a 5km radius of a school.
At least it is organic and not biohazard like US🤣😂
Do you truly believe that?
Second hand smoke isn’t a biohazard? It literally causes cancer…
It increases the risk of getting cancer! Your sentence implies that you get it each time you are exposed. However, there is a subtle difference between being really attacked by a lion or being in the territory of a lion. In the first case you are highly likely done, in the second you have a chance to get out complete and healthy. And also: when and how are often two important questions.
Why I am saying this: I knew two guys in my family, who smoked from young like chimneys. They died old (>90) and not due to lung cancer! But perhaps in their times (50-90) the cigarettes were less toxic, who knows 🤷♂️
Ah yes Europe, the mythical country.
Europe is a geological region where most countries share a lot of cultural ties with each other, including the smoking culture.
And my mom
Likely, if she weights <70kg and her name is not Karen 😂😂
Are you seriously trying to argue that “europeans” isn’t a valid characterization of a group of people with some common traits, you absolute muppet?
Maybe y’all Americans all have the same commodified culture managed by a hedge funds but in Europe, every country has a rich culture and its own identity+way of life.
I don’t get the same vibe at all from France and Germany or the Netherlands. I see similarities and a common history which makes the cultural ramification even more telling and insightful
Not American. Try again without the chip on your shoulder.
What are the common traits of someone from Finland and one from Greece?
They both have a higher percentage of smokers than the US.
Finland 20.7%, USA 23.6%, according to world population review.com, one of the few sources I could find that mentions both the USA and finland. So you’re wrong there.
Also, you said traits. Plural. But yeah, easier to make up shit and pretend you’re right and then stop replying when proven wrong than just be mature and say “my bad”.
Whoops. I pulled a statistic from 2009. Anyway, here’s another one: they both love public baths. Do you really think you’ll come out on top while arguing Finland and Greece have zero common traits? Do you realize how insane that is?
Saunas are popular in Finland, true. Not so much in Greece. And the Hellenic/Roman public baths, which are quite different from saunas, btw, haven’t actually remained popular in modern Greece nor Italy.
I never said they have zero common traits, but not enough for us to be one big culture or anything close to that. Common traits you can find between Norway and Zimbabwe. Or USA and Japan. Or Nepal and Argentina. Saying “europeans do x” is like saying “Asians do x” or “black people do y”. That’s what’s insane… That you somehow fail to see that. I was recently in Thailand. I guess I know what Asians are like now. AmA!
As someone you would call “European” there are massive cultural, behavioural and religious differences in Europe.
Not the differences you imagine like NJ vs California vs Texas, much more
And you know what? It’s a good thing and nobody wants to change that. After centuries we even stopped having fun at each other.
Diversity is scientifically and provably good for creativity that in turn is good for everything humans do
In the case of smoking, you can go to an extreme (Berlin) where people smoke in the clubs (even if it is forbidden) to another extreme (Dublin) that is pretty much like US
Not the differences you imagine like NJ vs California vs Texas, much more
Dude, Texans fucking hate Californians and and East Coasters.
They share the same citizenship and language but they almost certainly hate each other more than a typical European country hates it’s neighbors because of core value differences.
UK+EU members might hate each other for historical reasons but generally they all hold similar core values. Good ones BTW. Democracy is good.
I live in the midwestern US and if I could I’d have it’s culture swallowed up by the east coast’s culture (except maybe the food) because its pretty fucking boring and backwards in many respects anyway. The only reason I still live here is because I’m poor but I kind of hate midwestern culture.
Diversity is scientifically and provably good for creativity that in turn is good for everything humans do
Diversity is good, smoking is bad. So are Texas’s anti-abortion and anti-trans bills, which is fueled by Texas’s reactionary culture which diverges from Cali and NJ. Including unhealthy or even straight up death cult ideas as a form of “diversity” seems… ill advised.
My point is, sometimes things are just bad and serve no beneficial purpose and can’t be justified on the basis of “diversity”. Smoking culture is one.
While I agree with most of what you said, I think you are underestimating the huge cultural differences between NJ, CA, and TX. They very much feel like entirely different countries. Very big differences in culture, linguistics, religion, etc.
USA -> States is very similar to EU -> member countries. I understand that within the EU, member countries have their own concept of “states” that are very similar to the US, but I don’t believe most EU countries prioritize local regions over their country as much as the US does. Keep in mind, Europe as a whole is only slightly bigger than the USA (10m sq k vs 9m sq k)
For instance, someone from Texas self-identifies as a Texan first, and then an American second. It’s why one of the first things an American asks when meeting a new American is “where are you from”. The state they’re from will (usually but not always) tell you a lot about them, their priorities, what their culture is, etc.
Personally I think it’s stupid (I’m not a big fan of “states rights”), but I’m very much in the minority in that.
Did I say all of Europe is the same? Or did I say Europeans have some common traits? Get a grip.
Potentially, they could have visited multiple countries. Or maybe they don’t want to partially doxx themselves.
Asshole, don’t make me smell your shitty tobacco, Atleast vapes conceal the smell
Vapes create a gigantic cloud and it smells quite bad.
Both are bad, but vaping is just even more annoying.
Amen. Its also not just water vapor… If it was people Wouldn’t vape. A lot of people have issues with the garbage they put in vapes… But gigs are worse for me personally.
Cigs are worse objectively, when it comes to health
They don’t, you still stink but now of menthol or whatever other flavour you picked
I would literally rather stick my nose in a dirty diaper than smell a cigarette. The flavour scents are such a huge improvement that I don’t have the words to properly express this.
I mean, I’d much rather smell of fruit custard than smoke.
Except that you aren’t required to use a flavor. I don’t use any flavor for many years and the only thing that could anyone others would be the cloud.
I don’t vape for fun, I vape for my nicotine addiction. The flavors made the switch easier but after the switch, I phased out the flavor. Now I don’t smell like an ashtray but you can see me from a distance and I visualize where my bad breath smell from my lunch and my germs are in the air.
i’m with you on the no flavor thing, I make my own vape juice and I use a box mod, shit’s completely inoffensive and nearly free
Funny considering tobacco is a solid American good
Not really. Im not sure the US even produces enough for themselves anymore.
Vapers minding their own business, pretending vaping is healthier.
Well, I certainly can’t burn the house down anymore.
Compared to smoking? Probably.
I feel like vapers vape more on average than smokers smoke. This is purely anecdotal, but if its true, then that complicates things.
AFAIK, you have to apply nicotine quite frequently to achieve a steady state and avoid withdrawal – every 30–45 minutes. 10–20 years ago, every single smoker I asked smoked > 20 cigarettes. Today, almost all admit to only 10–15, which is pharmacologically too infrequent and triggers multiple withdrawal–relaps cycles every day, worsening the nicotine addiction.
To handle drugs which are so addictive, you need a stable steady state, not fluctuating pladma levels. If you want to lower your dose, you cannot lower the frequency, you have to lower the dose of each application.
If vapers would vape every 30–45 min ≈ 20/day, they would stabilize their nicotine level, which would enable them to reduce the dose of nicotine over time.
It doesn’t work like that at all. Not everyone who smokes has a pack a day habit. It varies wildly and doesn’t require some uniform steady state.
Someone who has a morning cigarette just wants a morning cigarette. Social smokers may not even smoke everyday.
It’s just that those who DO make the habit more frequent, pack a day etc., will maintain THAT level.
Those who use vaporizers are able to create different patterns because of the nature of the device. Doesn’t have a finite time limit like a single cigarette and differing nicotine amounts, etc.
10-15 a day works presuming you aren’t awake for all 24 hours
I definitely got my vape more than I used to smoke cigs. However it’s only one or two puffs usually. A whole cigarette is many more puffs.
I don’t know if it equals out or one is more. I will say vaping feels better than cigarettes.
Almost certainly, but there are some caveats. Vitamin E was added to some around 2020 and that really fucked people up. The much higher nicotine percentage could also be doing damage we haven’t had enough time to fully understand as well. There’s also concern around the metal coils breaking down, especially when people ‘dry hit’ or use a coil after it’s spent. That being said, normal vaping is almost certainly safer than smoking
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Is there enough data to support that claim? Not really disagreeing, i genuinely don’t know. There was a time where your doctor would tell you to smoke camels, because these are the healty cigarettes.
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Had a wretched smoker’s cough for years, took me an extra 10 minutes to cough it out and get out of bed. Stopped 2 weeks after going to vaping.
OTOH, 10 years later vaping became too much, now I do those nicotine pouches. Very happy with those.
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Pretending? I’m not gonna say vaping is healthy, but it definitely isn’t as bad for you as cigarettes. I made the switch years ago just because I wanted to see if I could stop smoking cigarettes, and within the first week or two my lungs felt noticeably better. I’ve been gradually lowering the nicotine level in the juices I use and will hopefully ween myself off vaping too.
This is the right way to vape.
Should be used as a way to quit smoking.People that vape as an alternative to smoking cigarettes end up chain vaping. It’s just too convenient.
It’s what it was advertised as originally, but then brands realized they could boom in sales by dropping that act and making cute, colorful cartridges with a shit ton of flavors that appeal to teens. Some girl had these iPod case looking ones that were flavored like pineapple banana or smth. Hell they make vapes disguised as school supplies now.
There’s a lot of people who didn’t do drugs at all that started with vaping (Truth Initiative has a 2020 study about it, I skimmed it tbh), and it’s especially bad in middle and high schools. I saw people hitting huge fucking clouds in the middle of a classroom, near the teacher’s desk. One idiot made a cloud in our dark classroom with the curtains shining sunlight on him, so they had to close the blinds and fan the cloud so he wouldn’t get caught.
They know full well they’re creating future addicts and eventual cigarette smokers, and they don’t give a damn.
The Netflix doc also covers how Juul hired the wrong guy to do thier commercials.
He’s the dude famous for making the iPod pastel silhouette commercials. Hip and sexy.
Juul started by wanting to help people quit. Then some influencer was vaping on stream and it blew the hell up in short order amongst younger crowds.
What really pisses me off is the synthetic THC Juul carts teens were smoking that fucked them up. They did that to themselves by trying to do drugs using a Juul. Juul and the legit vaping industry took all that backlash. The news and even CDC spouted bullshit in the name of sparing kids. No one clarified that they were smoking bootleg weed (illegal drugs) and Juul/legal vaping wasn’t at fault.
So adults that were vaping to quit ciggs switched back to ciggs to never quit. I was a vaper during that time and I can’t tell you how many people I set straight when they said “that’ll kill you” while they’re smoking ciggs.
That’s why i ditched my dab pen a few years ago. It was just too easy to lay on the couch and hit that all night, becoming ungodly high without realizing it. Now i go outside an smoke a joint so i EARN that ungodly high
I had the same journey and now have been smoke/vape free for 2 years.
Boom, same. Must be like 3 or 4 years now. It’s a great tool for that if you don’t fall into the hobby trap.
Same. Was smoking 2 packs per day for a while. Completely switched to vaping. Lowered the nicotine content of the juice a couple times and eventually was able to quit entirely. Been almost 6 years now.
I’m not sure what the scene is like now that all the strong cartridges and disposable devices are more popular. Back when I was doing it most people used box mods and it was easy to find juice in any flavor and strength you wanted. I remember things got pretty wild right around when I quit actually, with many states doing temporary bans and eventually banning flavors and stuff
gross
Nah, fuck all these other guys, he was right. 🤣
i don’t think highly of people who smoke but I think much less of people who think it’s cool. at least if you’re embarrassed and apologetic about it I will still consider you a person.
Americans are lame, aren’t they?
not in this aspect, they have better attitude towards smoking than most of the world
I wouldn’t say that. In most of the world it is discouraged, but in the US they are zealots when it comes to smoking.
There is nothing criminal about smoking, and people should not be ostracized for it.
it should be criminal and people certainly should be ostracized for it. fuck smokers. I’d rather have heroin addicts in my vicinity.
Did a smoker fuck your wife, by any chance?
you’re the one cucking for smokers so I don’t know what you mean. but my wife doesn’t smell like shit all the time so I can safely say no.
smokers infringe on the rights of everyone around them. they can suck shit. hell, they’d probably stink less if they did.
I mean, I can hardly imagine someone unironically being that hostile to smokers. There must be some sort of trauma going on. If not your wife, then maybe someone else was fucked by a smoker.
Fuck smokers! hahaha. Mmm lung cancer, sounds awesome
It’s a serious public health concern. It affects everyone.
It affects everyone that smokes.
Because second-hand smoke doesn’t exist…
So, the health effects of smoking are born only by the smoker? There are no economic impacts on the general public? Not to mention second-hand smoke.
Having a healthier society benefits everyone. Having a large portion of the population engage in behaviors that hurt public health is harmful to everyone.
That isn’t to say it should be illegal necessarily, but it should be heavily discouraged. That includes by government policy.
It doesn’t affect me to inhale the second-hand smoke of the asshole smoking at the table next to me? I think it does.
yeah because the smoke carefully avoids nonsmokers.
In my experience it seeks out nonsmoker’s.
