my theory is the oppression religious arrogance is now getting its comeuppance. everyone who grew up with religion can now talk freely about how fucking stupid it is without their father or mother whupping their ass–theres no surprise to this.
what the fuck are you even on about? Religion has been trash talked pretty consistently since the 90s
I have an alternate hypothesis: atheism is the first rebellion, a private rebellion, as all the simmering resentment of being under their parents’ thumb is transferred to the ultimate example of authority. They attribute every shortcoming of perceived justice (remember they are kids, their concept of justice is ‘I should be treated special’) on the head of an apparently absent, indifferent, or even malicious god.
And the ‘freedom’ of being finally able to shout out against that perceived indifferent authority brings a sense of heady and powerful liberty like baby’s first beer
And I think young atheists get addicted to that thrill, to be able to shout out against power, but just like every other addiction you never quite get the same thrill as that first delicious moment of rebellion
So they have to start finding it elsewhere, and usually it’s arguing with theists because frankly, it’s easy to do and win. they define ‘win’ being as ‘upsetting the theist while appearing intellectual’ and practice a set of boilerplate arguments quick-tabbed to whip out at any of several theological conversation hooks
The problem with that is, again it’s an addiction. It makes people do stupid things to satisfy it, like saying incorrect things with undeserved boldness
no ones shouting against religion, theres too much risk being assaulted by some zealot. people are just talking about it on the internet. and for the record. religious people literally go door to door to influence us, they are the reason why we have anti-abortion laws, they are the reason why trans people have to fucking hide their identity for fear of being murdered, they are the reason we have wars.
people talk a lot about 9.11 and how islam is to blame. people talk about how ww2 was about targeting Jewish people. religions literally cause wars. its not real. and people who defend it are silly stupid heads with poopy on their heads (kidding here, I know plenty of spiritual people who are kind and great) but the evil out weights the good.
you have some good points and i respect that. but i–grown under a strict religious parental figure do not understand how people cant wrap their head around your concept of disrespect of religious things. if god brings you peace of mind, thats awesome. just don’t force it on anyone else
and people who defend it are silly stupid heads with poopy on their heads
Fuck off in every way you are capable of, then fund a study group to discover new and interesting ways to fuck off, then do them
All at once.
I am so fuckdamn tired of this constant casual marginalization, the abandonment of the sacred culturally is 50% of the reason we are descending into fascism and yet you rancid heathens sit there all smug in your own pile of rhetorical shit thinking it is progress
There were once concepts in our culture that were unassailable, protection for women and children, the enshrinement of personal privacy, and of universal human dignity.
The thing is, ALL of these protections rolled down from the idea that ‘Human life is sacred because it is a creation of God’, and A WHOLE FUCKTONNE of our Bill of Rights are based on this (despite what all of you whiny separation of powers people claim), so when you unroll the idea of God, then anything that was protected is now subject to attack
But you will whine ‘Nonono Angry_Autist, it was those evil Skybeard believing repugnicans that overturned RvWade!’
Only because they knew that no one holds womens’ rights scared anymore, because no one holds ANYTHING sacred anymore, because without an objective measure of ethical good, everything is just relative cultural custom and just as unimportant.
You can SEE that in how ambivalent they are over the rising number of innocent women dying from easily treated miscarriage complications
But STILL you don’t understand just how devastating descending into moral relativism has been, and will fight against ANYONE who tries to show you your complicity in the current era of strife
“all men were created equally–oh except black people we are enslaving them” didnt thomas jefferson fuck his slaves and keep his own children as slaves or some shit?
the never ending hypocrisy from religion is why you get what you get. No longer getting graded on a curve is not persecution. you are just fragile. Also please, take it easy. im not against you. I think religion has many good things in them, but when christian schools have mass graves in them from the aboriginals they kidnapped they deserve a bit if scrutiny, right? when muslim schools destroy gays, when ethno-religious states conduct genocide? it deserves some scrutiny and shouldn’t be surprised when people talk about it.
i think religion has a very large part with racism.
well I don’t think you are a piece of shit and im sorry if I offended you in anyway. I don’t want to turn this into a shit throwing show. you have some good points, and I don’t think religion is all bad . I just dont think its criticized as badly as people think. I know very spiritual people who are great. I also know bad. But if we don’t talk about the bad with the good progress doesn’t happen
And I think your opinions are malformed and bigoted
People like you mistake the impulse for religion as the impulse to abuse. You think the purpose of the church is to protect abusers and that every product of it is tainted by this association
Abusers seek power wherever, the same impulse that drives pedos to enter the clergy is the same impulse that drives hollywood producers and politicians to seek the power to abuse. Per capita, even if you tripled the discovery rate to include clergy not caught, your kid is still safer with a priest than with a politician or a producer but every single time people will insist ‘religion bad because bad things done by religious people’, yet still support hollywood with their dollars and politicians with their support and votes.
But you and people like you conflate the abuse with the religious impulse and it has caused a ridiculous amount of harm including putting innocent people in danger
You are also trying to separate artificially religion and spirituality but that is really only a trick to focus on mainstream religions while giving new age philosophies a free pass. They are the same impulse: a seeking for a thing greater and ultimately unknowable
Look I know why Christianity leaves a bad taste in people’s mouths, all those ‘god hates fags’ sign wavers and the conservative hypocrites that would deport Jesus the moment he came back. And I guarantee you that I find them significantly more disgusting than any of you heathens could muster because they should KNOW better…
the very fact that we can talk about this issue with religion AND with hollywood or whatever is the exact reason i was trying to raise as a progress,
its funny, because ive actually worked in ‘hollywood’ literally. I know they are abusers there too. but they aren’t going on ‘missions’ like mormons or ‘crusades’ like the christians in the past. they arent putting up religious ethno-states like israel. Theres literally no comparison between religion and hollywood, im sorry. its just ridiculous. and for someone who seems so intelligent its weird you would make this comparison.
my parents were very religious when I was growing up, and certainly that left a bad taste growing up but I acknowledge that there are wonderful people I know of faith. thats all. but ultimately this world would be better off without it. Look at global warming deniers? (god knows best) look at the priesthood who abuse children and get off scott free? the literal state of Israel who is conducting a genocide? I dont hate religion, it hates us, is my point.
History is basically thousands of years of horrors during which people mostly believes their deity approved of all the awful things they did. It isnt the decline of the sacred that opened up this particular can of worms.
If anything its a swing towards authoritianism as a reaction to a whole host of factors.
Changing demographics making white people and men afraid of losing their privileged position
Decline in relegion making the remaining faithful fearful of living in a world where most disagree with them
Apathy on the left due to left wing figures desire not to rock the boat and pwrsue real change
Centralization of media by a handful of people with interests more aligned with the right followed by decades of brainwashing
A characteristic figure to be the focus of the above
Rising inequality to put pressure on the common folks.
Its weird to live in a world where the atheists overwhelmingly voted for normalcy and the devout voted 70% for fascism and still see godless people blamed for what you voted for.
my theory is the oppression religious arrogance is now getting its comeuppance. everyone who grew up with religion can now talk freely about how fucking stupid it is without their father or mother whupping their ass–theres no surprise to this.
what the fuck are you even on about? Religion has been trash talked pretty consistently since the 90s
I have an alternate hypothesis: atheism is the first rebellion, a private rebellion, as all the simmering resentment of being under their parents’ thumb is transferred to the ultimate example of authority. They attribute every shortcoming of perceived justice (remember they are kids, their concept of justice is ‘I should be treated special’) on the head of an apparently absent, indifferent, or even malicious god.
And the ‘freedom’ of being finally able to shout out against that perceived indifferent authority brings a sense of heady and powerful liberty like baby’s first beer
And I think young atheists get addicted to that thrill, to be able to shout out against power, but just like every other addiction you never quite get the same thrill as that first delicious moment of rebellion
So they have to start finding it elsewhere, and usually it’s arguing with theists because frankly, it’s easy to do and win. they define ‘win’ being as ‘upsetting the theist while appearing intellectual’ and practice a set of boilerplate arguments quick-tabbed to whip out at any of several theological conversation hooks
The problem with that is, again it’s an addiction. It makes people do stupid things to satisfy it, like saying incorrect things with undeserved boldness
no ones shouting against religion, theres too much risk being assaulted by some zealot. people are just talking about it on the internet. and for the record. religious people literally go door to door to influence us, they are the reason why we have anti-abortion laws, they are the reason why trans people have to fucking hide their identity for fear of being murdered, they are the reason we have wars.
people talk a lot about 9.11 and how islam is to blame. people talk about how ww2 was about targeting Jewish people. religions literally cause wars. its not real. and people who defend it are silly stupid heads with poopy on their heads (kidding here, I know plenty of spiritual people who are kind and great) but the evil out weights the good.
you have some good points and i respect that. but i–grown under a strict religious parental figure do not understand how people cant wrap their head around your concept of disrespect of religious things. if god brings you peace of mind, thats awesome. just don’t force it on anyone else
Fuck off in every way you are capable of, then fund a study group to discover new and interesting ways to fuck off, then do them
All at once.
I am so fuckdamn tired of this constant casual marginalization, the abandonment of the sacred culturally is 50% of the reason we are descending into fascism and yet you rancid heathens sit there all smug in your own pile of rhetorical shit thinking it is progress
There were once concepts in our culture that were unassailable, protection for women and children, the enshrinement of personal privacy, and of universal human dignity.
The thing is, ALL of these protections rolled down from the idea that ‘Human life is sacred because it is a creation of God’, and A WHOLE FUCKTONNE of our Bill of Rights are based on this (despite what all of you whiny separation of powers people claim), so when you unroll the idea of God, then anything that was protected is now subject to attack
But you will whine ‘Nonono Angry_Autist, it was those evil Skybeard believing repugnicans that overturned RvWade!’
Only because they knew that no one holds womens’ rights scared anymore, because no one holds ANYTHING sacred anymore, because without an objective measure of ethical good, everything is just relative cultural custom and just as unimportant.
You can SEE that in how ambivalent they are over the rising number of innocent women dying from easily treated miscarriage complications
But STILL you don’t understand just how devastating descending into moral relativism has been, and will fight against ANYONE who tries to show you your complicity in the current era of strife
holy crap take it easy.
“all men were created equally–oh except black people we are enslaving them” didnt thomas jefferson fuck his slaves and keep his own children as slaves or some shit?
the never ending hypocrisy from religion is why you get what you get. No longer getting graded on a curve is not persecution. you are just fragile. Also please, take it easy. im not against you. I think religion has many good things in them, but when christian schools have mass graves in them from the aboriginals they kidnapped they deserve a bit if scrutiny, right? when muslim schools destroy gays, when ethno-religious states conduct genocide? it deserves some scrutiny and shouldn’t be surprised when people talk about it.
So now we’re pivoting to racism, which had zero part of this discussion
You really don’t understand exactly how much of a piece of shit you are, do you?
i think religion has a very large part with racism.
well I don’t think you are a piece of shit and im sorry if I offended you in anyway. I don’t want to turn this into a shit throwing show. you have some good points, and I don’t think religion is all bad . I just dont think its criticized as badly as people think. I know very spiritual people who are great. I also know bad. But if we don’t talk about the bad with the good progress doesn’t happen
And I think your opinions are malformed and bigoted
People like you mistake the impulse for religion as the impulse to abuse. You think the purpose of the church is to protect abusers and that every product of it is tainted by this association
Abusers seek power wherever, the same impulse that drives pedos to enter the clergy is the same impulse that drives hollywood producers and politicians to seek the power to abuse. Per capita, even if you tripled the discovery rate to include clergy not caught, your kid is still safer with a priest than with a politician or a producer but every single time people will insist ‘religion bad because bad things done by religious people’, yet still support hollywood with their dollars and politicians with their support and votes.
But you and people like you conflate the abuse with the religious impulse and it has caused a ridiculous amount of harm including putting innocent people in danger
You are also trying to separate artificially religion and spirituality but that is really only a trick to focus on mainstream religions while giving new age philosophies a free pass. They are the same impulse: a seeking for a thing greater and ultimately unknowable
Look I know why Christianity leaves a bad taste in people’s mouths, all those ‘god hates fags’ sign wavers and the conservative hypocrites that would deport Jesus the moment he came back. And I guarantee you that I find them significantly more disgusting than any of you heathens could muster because they should KNOW better…
the very fact that we can talk about this issue with religion AND with hollywood or whatever is the exact reason i was trying to raise as a progress, its funny, because ive actually worked in ‘hollywood’ literally. I know they are abusers there too. but they aren’t going on ‘missions’ like mormons or ‘crusades’ like the christians in the past. they arent putting up religious ethno-states like israel. Theres literally no comparison between religion and hollywood, im sorry. its just ridiculous. and for someone who seems so intelligent its weird you would make this comparison.
my parents were very religious when I was growing up, and certainly that left a bad taste growing up but I acknowledge that there are wonderful people I know of faith. thats all. but ultimately this world would be better off without it. Look at global warming deniers? (god knows best) look at the priesthood who abuse children and get off scott free? the literal state of Israel who is conducting a genocide? I dont hate religion, it hates us, is my point.
History is basically thousands of years of horrors during which people mostly believes their deity approved of all the awful things they did. It isnt the decline of the sacred that opened up this particular can of worms.
If anything its a swing towards authoritianism as a reaction to a whole host of factors.
Changing demographics making white people and men afraid of losing their privileged position
Decline in relegion making the remaining faithful fearful of living in a world where most disagree with them
Apathy on the left due to left wing figures desire not to rock the boat and pwrsue real change
Centralization of media by a handful of people with interests more aligned with the right followed by decades of brainwashing
A characteristic figure to be the focus of the above
Rising inequality to put pressure on the common folks.
Its weird to live in a world where the atheists overwhelmingly voted for normalcy and the devout voted 70% for fascism and still see godless people blamed for what you voted for.