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    A sad fact about programming projects is that you can and have to lie about how long it’ll take or cost because nobody will ever accept the truth about those things.

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    What the fuck is the rush!? They should do this, but there is zero reason to rush it unless you want people to suffer needlessly.

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      It’s easy. Rush to “fix” things, but break them in the process. Then tell the American people… look we tried and it’s not working! Let’s privatize! Moving all of our SS money into hedge funds and wall street scum. Welcome to Trump’s America.

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    First you break government. Once broken, privatize everything on the justification of government not working.

    Use propaganda to make people hateful and violent towards election workers. Use to loss of election workers to either have the incumbent administration run elections with “impartiality” or cancel elections altogether.

    Cut government funding and make everything unpredictable, causing farmers and business owners to go bankrupt. Have oligarchs buy up everything at rock-bottom pricing, and turn the citizens back into serfs, who will be poor enough to shut up and do as they’re told.

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      Yep, this is the explanation. People are still trying to rationalize “why do this in months, its all gonna collapse!” not understanding that this is the actual point.

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        IMO, only 3 things hold social order together…Laws, Consequences, and Prosperity. The loss of any one of those things will result in some pretty nasty stuff. We’re not going to go the way of Germany - at least not as fast…there are simply too many guns in this nation, too much communications capacity, too much ability for quick travel, etc.

        Through trump 45, all the lawsuits, hearings, censures, lawsuits, protests, and impeachments were simply seen as “liberal tears.” When thenorange voters are directly, and negatively impacted by what they voted for, those liberal tears will a protest of government that will mean something. We’re still in the shocked-look, “I thought the other people were the problem” phase of things.

        Orange voters are starting to lose their jobs. Orange farmers are starting to have distressed farms, or fields with rotting product waiting for harvest. Stress fractures are beginning to appear with Medicare/Medicaid and SS. Wait until the Farmbill is canceled.

        Republican town hall meetings will reach a point where they’ll be canceled entirely. They’re starting to crack down on the ever-growing population of homeless and people living in their cars. They’re starting to crack down on social media negativity towards government. Just wait until conservatives come after the guns.

        Our allies are doing their best to help us out by economic means, but they can only do so much, as the threat to our nation is coming from within our nation. Canada is rocking it with their tariffs, being focused squarely on red states.

        Things will likely get uglier, but that might just be the way it has to be, before things can improve, and it’ll be scary for everyone. The US has been on a downward/rightward spiral since the early 1970s, and we’ve let it slowly happen to ourselves. Setting things right Will be difficult, and will certainly take more than a few 4-8 year presidential cycles, and people need to understand that.

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    It took the GIMP team 7 years to harden and release 3.0 and it’s a fucking image editing program, this guy is actually insane.

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      On one hand the GIMP project took so long because they have very little resources. They would certainly do it faster with more people.

      On the other hand you will probably get a team of inexperienced developers picked for their loyalty to a cokehead. The overall organization has a history of confusing millions for billions and problems working with much more common stuff than COBOL.

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    I’m 100% sure the plan is to let an LLM write the code and not a single human will attempt to understand how it works.

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    That’s how you know they have nobody with experience there that has their opinion being considered. No one with actual experience in the industry wouldn’t do this out of the blue and in a few months “for sure, no delays”.

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    I’m convinced this is a genuine attempt at geriatricide and to weed out the weak. If I’m not mistaken, this is something that he and his friends are fond of.

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    They are using this as cover to say, oops we don’t know how much you paid into the plan, so therefore we will give all money to Elon and Wallstreet instead of paying benefits. I hope this is what finally get people to throw this clown out of government.

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    Craziness aside, what would be a good language to redo a critical system like this in?

    Lots of hype around rust lately, but not sure if that’s appropriate?

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    As someone who’s actually been part of a team that did this exact migration, it’s gonna be shitshow with tons of bugs when the mainframes are decommissioned and the new system goes live.

    It’s not the wrong move cause the tech is increasingly obsolete but the level of effort will be underestimated.

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      I think this type of project would take at least five years. A minimum of three to develop, 1 to do internal QA, and at least a fifth as a slow roll out from the smallest states while progressing to the larger. If bugs are revealed during that fifth year, slow the roll while getting them patched up.

      It is the sort of thing that requires long term vision, effective governance, and patience. Things that Trump and friends do not possess.

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        Surprise surprise, that’s a similar time frame the last attempt at this gave. Apparently the they never got too far off thr ground because they had to divert resources to help against covid

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      it is only obsolete if you have a better currently working solution

      anything else is a fucking pipe dream

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        Nope it’s also obsolete if the cost of maintaining an old system is far higher than a buggy new system. That’s what accountants tell me anyway.

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          people say this at a manager level, then go over budget by 3x in time, 2x in cost and only mostly get the same result as the original

          ask me how I know

          accountants, business majors and leadership with 0 experience doing the actual job need to fuck right off

          fucking wanker muppet elmo

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    Im gonna side with Elon here, in the fact COBOL is absolutely outdated and should be phased out. However, considering what they said in the post and how it went with his takeover of Twitter, I have doubts that he will be capable of executing it correctly. Move fast and break things simply shouldn’t apply in the government sphere.

  • Leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    If they are genuinely stating months as a realistic timeframe then they either know nothing or are fully aware and this is a deliberate killshot.

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        No. It is a killshot.

        He stated his resentment of social security MULTIPLE times.

        Sabotage is the purpose.

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          You might be right. Cutting expenses and saving money, but not in the way that any normal person would want.

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    I feel like there are a good six very large companies that could give firsthand accounts on why letting Elon Musk touch an important piece of software is a terrible idea.

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    As if “accidentally” breaking it during this process would be a bug, not a feature.

    “Oh no, we completely broke SSA, it’s all gone. Soorrrrrryyyyyy”

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      Fr. They’re gonna “accidentally lose” all the records of who was receiving social security and how much they were getting, and they’re gonna make people reapply for it in person, but they have to bring their birth certificate, social security cart, passport, driver’s license with real id, 5 years of tax returns, and probably some new special certificate they start issuing to prove you’re maga a real citizen