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      Well it doesn’t mean what it used to anymore. Now you just pay for a subscription and you get it. Hell, I don’t know why you ever thought the check mark pre-Musk ever meant anything other than somebody’s identity being verified as true judging by what you’re saying… Never meant that their opinions were Twitter approved or whatever.

      • Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org
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        The blue check went through some twists and turns. Originally it was meant as “your identity is verified”, then it became a status symbol, then it had extra features attached to it. At one point the people approving them were literally taking bribes to expedite or guarantee your blue check (like personal bribes, not a payment to Twitter). And at some point along the way it somehow became a “Twitter approves” thing, because at least one person had their blue check stripped for going too far as a right wing troll (Milo Yianno-whatever). All of that pre-Muak.

        Post-Musk, it’s just a subscription you pay for with some extra features and there’s now a different checkmark for corporate or government entities that merely verifies their identity.

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          I’m salary or contract, so working overtime is often just doing work without pay.

          I’ll do it every now and then to get things done, but I’m never going to make that my normal.

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        Or the boss calling a cost of living adjustment a ‘raise’. No, motherfucker, I’m just back to where I started.

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        I will forgive people who were previously had a low enough income to have benefits that magically disappeared completely at a certain threshold when they received a raise for assuming that making too much money could be a negative. They generally never made enough to understand how tax brackets work and assumed the worst.

        If it is explained to them and they refuse to learn, that is on them.

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      Cathy? If I see FirstNameBunchOfNumbers and a twitter checkmark my first assumption would be that its a bot.

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      “who negotiated for Cathy” well if her contract is pegged to union pay then the union negotiates for cathy

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        Management probably giving that $0.50 bump hoping to discourage union membership and undermine their negotiating power.

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          Most definitely, but the leeches still get a higher pay than they usually would - until the union collapses.

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      poe’s law is real. Can’t tell if unmarked joke, or just doesn’t know anything about the history of labor or what.

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        Their leverage is their value to the company. If you’re not capable of providing more than minimum value for your employer, then why should you work for that company? Find a company you can do more for.

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          That’s not much leverage when there are many, many, people who need work to to live. Against a lone laborer, management holds almost all the cards. There’s always someone more desperate.

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    I live in California, so there was a lot of bemoaning the rising minimum wage.

    “Why should someone flipping burgers earn as much as I do in a trade field?”

    Mate, you should be arguing for increased wages, not trying to keep others down.

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      Mate, you should be arguing for increased wages, not trying to keep others down.

      It’s my opinion that people like this aspire to be their own boss, make their own money, and look up to business owners as mentors.

      None of that is inherently wrong, until the mentors/business owners start espousing the evils of increased wages, how paying taxes is preventing pay raises for their workers, etc.

      So not knowing any better, these wannabes go out and parrot what they’ve heard their heroes say as if it’s gospel. And of course the talking heads that they listen to say the same shit, further solidifying the class warfare mentality.

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      This is the new American way. Zero-sum thinking all the way down. Anyone else’s win is our loss. Every situation must have a winner and a loser. Win-win situations are considered immoral for these people. We’ve moved past rugged individualism to a full-on Hunger Games mindset.

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      “Why should someone flipping burgers earn as much as I do in a trade field?”

      Because someone flipping burgers has more value to society than someone who spends their day making rich people richer.

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      Seattle metro area has the highest minimum wage in the country. The top 5 cities in the US are all in this metro. This is because when the wage increases were passed by city, they were tied to the inflation rate so that increases every year, so no new laws have to be passed year over year to get this increase. No arguing every year for a simple cost of living adjustment.

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        Fucking thank you! Why is this so complicated?? Why fight for $15 or whatever if you know by the time your get the fucking laws past your dollar is worth half as much.

        It’s so transparently flawed to because tying minimum wage to a formula/basket/col/astrology FFS, Would mean not having to revisit this fight every. Single. Year.

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          Credit for that goes to Kshama Sawant, she had to fight the Democrats on the city council and shame them to get there.

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      The BLS data has historically been a method by which capitalists measured and managed labor power as a fungible resource. It has historically been a tool of capital to evaluate the influence of policy on labor, not a tool of labor to pressure capital for concessions.

      Not to say the information isn’t valuable on its face. But it should be worth recognizing that we are looking at autocannibalization of capital. The people most injured by dismantling the BLS are the people who do the bulk of the hiring, not the people being hired.

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    I love how one person cites a statistic, and another person just dismisses it as false because of their anecdotal experience.

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      And I’ve never heard of a contract that explicitly ties non-union workers’ pay to the union contact, but I’d be cheering the union guys on if they ever asked for a raise if that was the case.

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        That’s actually more common than you think. It’s not explicit.

        My niece who works at a very popular coffee shop where some are unioned, the non-union ones get paid a bit extra and reminded on the daily about that benefit of higher pay for being non-unioned.

        And my aunt works as a receptionist in a non-union hospital. Her counterparts in a union, when they went on strike and got a huge pay bump… She suddenly “mysteriously” got a pay bump aligned with it because the non-union hospital was afraid of employees unionizing (which secretly, they were).

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      If these people were good at critical thinking, they wouldn’t have these stupid fucking opinions to begin with.

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      My thoughts exactly. And how I love this complete dismissal style with the “False.” at the beginning, that has established itself online. it’s a perfect giveaway for " now my personal but universal opinion, also called Truth bomb, is going to destroy your statement" - which in my opinion is just extremely patronizing and never really true.

      Especially when comparing your personal anecdotal experience with a fucking statistic.

      Oh and nobody talks like that in real life, or at least the people that do start their verbal line of argument this way are idiots and everybody knows it.

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        False. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beats. Battlestar galactica.

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      This is how most people think and see the world, which is why we (the US) are in the boat we’re in now. People don’t see the big picture if they never have to or aren’t taught how to think critically.

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        Almost as of by design of corporate overlords and billionaires. Almost as of billions of dollars and collective hate can’t fill the emptiness. Almost as if we should focus on healing everyone’s (including billionaires ')wounded inner child schisms and social divides may start healing. Maybe

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        I think it’s a complicated problem. To start with, the studies are usually paywalled. If you can afford to purchase access, you still need the capacity to understand and parse the formal academic language. Most people have neither of those requirements, and have to rely on the media to report the statistics accurately, which doesn’t happen.

        This leads to a situation where the media keeps trying to say, idk employment statistics are better than ever, and then everybody updates their mental blocklist to filter out the word ‘statistics’.

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      Part of the problem is that statistics can be abused. It takes a reasonable amount of training to be able to differentiate between reliable statistics and potentially dodgy. Even worse, we are often presented with them, striped or context.

      The best solution is to teach people how to both spot problems and seek reliable data. The proper meaning of “do your own research”. Unfortunately, a significant chunk just give up with them and only trust their gut.

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        Typically, statistics are abused by politicians/partisan hacks who take data from reliable sources and lie/spin it to their narrative. The thing is, the average Fox News viewer with a HS diploma isn’t going to dig any deeper. And I wouldn’t say they trust their gut… they trust the propaganda narrative.

        When Trump and Vance said immigrants were eating people’s dogs and cats, they just nodded their empty heads… you can’t teach someone like that to engage reason.

      • ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world
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        statistics can be abused

        They can be abused, by people who understand statistics talking to people who don’t understand statistics. This is a good reason to learn statistical methods rather than reject them.

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          There are levels of abuse, some blatant, some subtle. Leading questions are obvious, when you have the question asked. Publishing bias is difficult to spot, even for trained scientists looking for it.

          Learning about statistical methods isn’t enough. People need to be taught how to weigh the data presented against the value of misleading them.

          It’s a subsection of logical reasoning, and needs to be taught as part of an integrated whole.

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            I think statistically (pun intended) there are more problems with people ignoring statistics or plain lying, than statistics being abused

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              Even a small amount of statistic abuse will break blind trust in them. Once that trust is gone, some people will reject all of them, rather than try and differentiate.

              Low grade abuse of statistics and related methods is rampant in low grade media.

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                  In reality, statistics should be trusted based on source, method and importance.

                  A survey of preferred ice-cream flavours by an ice-cream company can be trusted easily, even if the wording and method are a bit loose. An analysis of a potentially billion dollar drug requires FAR more scrutiny, even from multiple reliable sources. Between these 2 extremes is a spectrum of trust.

                  Unfortunately, most people don’t do well with shades of grey. If some statistics can’t be trusted, then none can. It’s all false news (until it happens to agree with their preconceived views).

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              A bit of healthy scientific skepticism or logical reasoning with some skills to evaluate sources of evidence and biases help with both understanding quoted stats, and liars and the ill-informed.

              It’s a difficult and time consuming skill to learn and use though.

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    When somebody insists, “X doesn’t matter because my salary depends on X,” it’s time to stop beating your head against a wall to teach them anything.

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      Nah, nah, you see - I had an excellent breakfast today. Clearly that means world hunger doesn’t exist! Checkmate, leftist!

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    We could’ve had Nina in DC if not for some corporate Dem’s wounded ego. It’s almost like we should work on healing egos instead of fracturing them with culture wars and id pol unless… That’s the point of culture wars and id pol. 🤷‍♀️ 💡

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      It was AIPAC money as well. That’s also why Cori Bush, Jamaal Bowman and Katie Porter aren’t in Congress any more.

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        Yes, the tail is wagging the dog. Removal of a gangrenous appendage is necessary to save the life.