Shout them down in every space, make them embarrased to think the stupid shit they think.
If we don’t embarrass and correct them now we will have to kill them later when they come for our friends and families.
I guess we can let them keep Tesla…
Yeah don’t let them have the swastika either.
Wait… I’m hearing it’s too late for that. Damn.
I’ve read all the comments here and I’ve concluded that we don’t really have an effective way for dealing with this problem, although we all recognise the problem.
I will forever curse Milo Snuffaluffagus or whatever his name was for Gamergate.
Especially since incompetent Games Jouranlism is and has been a problem for a long time, and now nothing will be done about it because any attempt to reform or shake up the industry is poisoned by the spectre of that bigoted sham.
Would you find comfort, or discomfort if i told you I’ve been a “gamer” since 1984, and I’m still not fully clear in wtf gamergate was?
I’m aware it involved journalists and devs. The adhd kinda prevented anything beyond that.
The sneakiest thing about it is the issues it brought were geniune, but its desire to solve them was not.
It was a movement that wanted to target game journalism acting in political interest more in gaming one, hiring journalists who were blatantly unqualified, giving games terrible review scores either for being “too difficult” or for not being “politically correct” enough
Some infamous examples include a time when a game journalist was
The problem? Gamergate was always a scam, the people behind the movement had no interest in addressing these concerns, but rather using them to indoctrinate gamers into the far right, and sadly it worked as we’re still having to fight off bigots in gaming who shit themselves whenever a rainbow shows up or god forbid anyone have a skintone that’s any darker than the quiet kid who hung out at Hot Topic loudly praising the Columbine Shooters back in 2005.
And the actual problems Gamer Gate wanted to address continue to go unsolved, especially as we see remasters and remakes that are heavily censored compared to their original counterpart (Dead Rising 2006 Vs. Dead Rising 2024 is a good example) or worse, we see games that actively remove content for being too raunchy (Skull Girls basically lost its playerbase overnight by censoring out all of the fanservice in their fanservice game, which even went as far as removing fanart from the art book that they charged money for, falsely accused the original creator of being a pedophile, and claimed the fans upset about this change were also pedophiles… weirdly that didn’t win them back and the game has entered something of a dark age.), with games journalism carrying water for such atrocities.
(You can say what you want about the morality of selling a game where you see the women’s panties during high kicks, the fact that the game was sold as a fanservice game for the better part of two decades and then suddenly EVERYONE’S COPIES were patched to remove that is wrong, it’s been rightfully compared to George Lucas breaking into your house to steal your VHS copies of the original trilogy and leave behind Special Edition Blu-Rays. While one of these characters was canonically 16 which is usually the defense for that, this only covers one character and even then her age came up so little in the story that I didn’t know until it was given as a reason for the change, but counter-point… Why draw attention to it instead of just quietly upping the age of an animated cartoon of a woman who doesn’t exist who is only ever given a solid number for her age when you check the wiki anyway?)
There was also the infamous debacle of a game journalist who was mocked for giving Cuphead a bad review calling it too difficult, when the same journalist while filming himself trying to play it couldn’t pass a tutorial with literal written instructions on screen, he later was terrible at Doom Eternal and gave that a poor score too.
So the company he worked for, instead of reprimanding him and teaching him to get good went “The gamers are to blame!”, and wrote slander articles trying to portray Cuphead as being racist. A claim that was basically laughed away from the fandom and quickly walked back.
I was with Gamergate when it originally launched, but left when I found out the truth. Thankfully I’m a transwoman so it didn’t take me long to figure out that this wasn’t worth my time as my particular faction of it actually banned me for being a woman. I was told by some incel chud that I “Likely was just pretending to be a gamer to get a boyfriend” and that “Sorry honey this aint your dating app.”
Then Gamergate as a whole tried to tell people that Mortal Kombat X wasn’t sexy enough and was trying to indoctrinate people into being gay, the latter of which was based on a single character having a single throw away line in the storyline not even said by him that implied it. (Same story mode also has the game being brought to a screeching halt so Johnny Cage and Sonya Blade can scream in each other’s faces about how they totally used to fuck, meaning ironically it’s heterosexuality that’s being shoved in player’s faces.), the former of which was based on the fact that the women are in their underwear but in the last game they had more revealing underwear.
They already killed hip-hop.
Could you elaborate on this? I mean there’s Kanye obviously, but “killing hip hop” is a strong statement considering he fell off years ago.
The culture of “real” hip-hop is basically crime culture, within that crime culture the same methods of of fascist control are used. Like the way rappers attack one another and try to control people. Gangs intertwined with the culture. Gangs are fascist, they are Nazis, they abuse people for their own personal gains. Rappers are often a voice for that sort of shitty behavior.
Just listen to any “gangster rap” they are all authoritarians raping other people’s lives.
(Very generalized)
Gangsta rap culture has its roots in generational poverty and the Reagan-inflicted crack epidemic.
Fuck that shit. Listen to Danny, Tech, RTJ. Fucking MF DOOM and Ace Rock if you want to go back. Hip hop is punk as fuck and anti fascist.
There’s a conspiracy theory going around that the music industry execs colluded to heavily promote gangsta rap over social-conscious rap during the 90’s, so that young black people would turn to a life of crime and fill up prisons, as they had recently invested in the nascent private prison industry.
The only “proofs” are anonymous testimonies by self-described industry insiders, but the fact that rap wasn’t always about gangsta culture is real.
Honestly I fully believe it, especially since black people who get into music are pushed towards Rap and Hip Hop by their labels being told “This is the only black music that will sell”
Women of all colors have similar things done with them, usually getting pushed into love songs.
https://youtu.be/uAq6RjSuwXQ - Korn actually made a music video with black celebrities as stand-ins for the band solely to send the message of “If we were black, this song couldn’t exist because the industry is just that racist.”
And I think it’s common knowledge that the song “Love Song”, was specifically in rebellion to the artist in question being told that women HAVE to do love songs.
If you told me that Suge Knight was responsible for the Lindbergh baby kidnapping, I’d believe you.
“Very generalized” uhh, can you give some examples? Like, maybe if you squint at the 90’s West Coast/East Coast rivalry, but not really?
I don’t know man, Satanism is pretty fucking stupid.
You’re pretty fucking stupid.Educate yourself.I’m familiar with this version - it’s still a bit silly, but I understand it’s more of a pressure group than anything, and I can see where they’re coming from.
F the fascists
This is a wonderful point! I recall years ago reading the government said of the hippies that they just started selling them incense (to put it lightly) and it was one of the ways of taking them down from the inside. So this is an old trick used by many. Sucks how insidious it all is.
Will forever hate them for trying to take Pepe the Frog.
I’m just relieved they didn’t succeed for long
feels bad man
This is why gatekeeping is actually important. But you’ve got to be sure you’re keeping out the people who want to change the group, rather than people who want to join it.
Do fascists really try to take Satanism though? Don’t they usually prefer to claim to be on God’s side?
There’s a bunch of fucking Nazi punks out there. Punk and satanism are uber alles. Punk is anti fascist as it gets but these fucks are too stupid to see it.
Fascists try to take everything they can get their hands on to try and get a way “in”. There’s O9A, Joy of Satan, STS (not TST) and others.
norse mythology: the bisexual dude who has a meathead son and an adopted genderfluid kid. doesn’t go anywhere without his horse-grandson. knows everything will go wrong when they get a dog.
For a second I feared Lemmy didn’t have the “Save comment” function yet.
Plus they associate war with masculinity and magic with femininity, and their main guy is the god of both. Women fought and men learned magic. Clearly gender was a pretty flexibly concept. (Not to even mention that we found what appears to be trans masc viking burials.)
I didn’t know that about the trans-masc viking burials! I had been wondering which ancient cultures had explicit evidence of trans guys.
What buried site was that?
Birka grave Bj 581
Does that go for liberal or philosophical ideals like free speech?
I come across a bit of rhetoric identifying free speech as a right-wing authoritarian cause, arguing that they “claim, twist, poison, ruin” it, so it’s fine to give it up and no longer defend it.
Those rhetoricians seem to have a skewed or ahistorical disregard for the advances in political philosophy from the enlightenment era that got society out of the dark ages, away from authoritarianism & toward political plurality & liberal democracy. Freedom of speech was a foundational development & its growth enabled the civil rights movements that followed.
Yet according to the rhetoric, it’s a problem now that right-wing authoritarians claim is as part of their cause. They’ll just let them claim & define it, and now that free speech is wrong (since they let right-wingers “have” it), it’s okay to limit & undermine it.
One might think they’re right-wing authoritarians in disguise trying to dupe everyone into threatening the foundations of liberal society. Whether or not they are, there’s a good chance they’ll show up here possibly in response to this comment. Is there a name for that type of rhetoric or the people who argue it?
Anyway, it all seems like capitulation to me. I think letting fascists claim such philosophical ideals is a mistake.
Free Speech is the right to have and express opinions without being repressed by the government. Yelling fire in a theatre is not an opinion any more than harassing people with racial slurs or other forms of flatulence.
Nobody is giving free speech to fascists. Ignorant assholes are misappropriating the term to justify their disgusting behaviour and they’re the only one’s falling for it.
The (direct) harm principle of free speech has been a standard recognized since at least J S Mill. It’s reflected in legal limitations on incitement of imminent lawless action (falsely shouting fire); incitement of violence; defamation; discriminatory acts that objectively deprive peaceful access to rights, opportunities, or resources we are entitled to. It does not restrict merely offensive conduct that bothers.
Are you referring to harassment in the looser sense of merely irritating conduct or in the stricter sense of personally targeted conduct that is unwelcome & objectively harms or deprives peaceful access as mentioned before (often through persistence)? We don’t have a right not to be offended.
Freedom of speech is specifically for speech we do not like including much that you listed. It’s also for speech to oppose that, which could be taken much further instead of trying to compromise it.
Let’s let them have nu-metal… that’ll show them.
nu metal is trash but it’s OUR trash and we’re not sharing with fascist dickheads
Nu-metal is great. Not all of it but Korn and System of a Down, a lot of great bands were labeled “nu-metal”.
Sounds like you are taking one step closer to the edge
and
I’m about to breakeven Linkin Park is great
Not wrong at all, the Nazi Party co-opted and stole countless icons and imagery, the swastika itself was stolen.
and the modern day Nazi Party in Russia at least, tries to steal entire letters of the Latin alphabet.
I had to stop wearing my Mjølner pendant because of those fucks. So I fully agree.
You didn’t have to. That’s called relenting. Could have worn a “fuck fascists” message alongside it? Maybe it was easier to give up that battle?
