This 😂. A fucking genius choosing pseudoscience…
where’s the lie?
Steve jobs ain’t a genius. He was just a good salesman.
The sales people almost always end up doing well in companies. And then when they get high up in the company they only value others ability to make sales and work for bonuses. As time goes on a company’s e-suite gets more and more saturated with charismatic dummies who will do anything for a buck, leaving less room for good administrators and engineers.
Small thing, but I’ve never heard it called an e-suite, only c-suite. I assume the “e” stands for executive vs the “c” being chief.
An apple a day keeps the doctor away
true, with just an apple a day only the forensic pathologist will show up
If you don’t have anything funny to say, then don’t say anything at all
Destroyed computer-aided collaboration.
https://www.quora.com/Who-invented-the-modern-computer-look-and-feel/answer/Harri-K-HiltunenSad that an effort post is hosted on Quora
I avoid that site like the plague
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Quora became good in its first years until the other co-founder was fired around 2012 (Coincidence? Who were the visionaries?). Quora stagnated until 2018 when the remaining (visionless) co-founder started enshittifying it.
well one is good at selling stuff including himself
Not to mention the actual pioneer of generic-text languages, the inventor of the compiler, Grace Hopper.
She was on Letterman. https://youtu.be/oE2uls6iIEU
My crusading teenage ass posted this in 2011 on social media. Nobody cared lol
Fact of the matter is way more people know who Steve Jobs is compared to Dennis Ritchie, so it’s no wonder his death garnered way more attention too. But the sentiment still stands IMO
I highly doubt the consequences of Dennis Richie not existing. Yes, his work was foundational, but he didn’t do it on his own, and if he wasn’t around, someone else would’ve filled in.
The same is true for Steve Jobs. In fact, most of his contribution was being a jerk to people so his ideas won. He had a clear vision, but his internal implementation was… iffy.
I mean, fucking up is a common thing people do and is an integral part of the human condition. What should be emphasized about Jobs case is that he fucked up his own liver, learned the cause and treatments, used his wealth to cut in the waiting line to get a liver transplant, and then fucked his second liver just the same way. This is the definition of terminally stupid, and no UX focus will ever change that.
I remember reading a story a while back about the documentary they were making on him. He had his special diet of juices and supplements and whatnot, which he claimed helped him while his liver was failing. The actor who portrayed him started following the same diet to better get in character. Only then he collapsed on set with liver problems. They did a full medical work up and basically told him whatever you’re doing stop doing it because it’s killing you. He went back to his normal diet and he was fine. Raising the serious question, did Steve Jobs outsmart himself to death? If he had given up all the diets and supplements and whatnot might he have lived?
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Forgot about that. I too am deeply irresponsible with my liver, but I would never ask for a second one. That’s an entire human organ!
How did he fuck up his liver? Do you mean that he was doing something that caused him to develop that tumor?
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Iirc, what we normally call “sugar” is sucrose, made up of glucose and fructose. Glucose is used all over the place and too much is definitely bad (ask diabetics), while fructose is processed in your liver. Like a poison.
Just trying to remember that from stuff I’ve seen from Robert Lustig MD. There’s a very old “sugar: the bitter truth” lecture of his on YouTube, plus lots of media since then.
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Too much glucose is a great way to get diabetes.
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Not the commenter but as a type 1 diabetic yeah you’re right, but when most say diabetes they mean type 2, which is the kind where you eat unhealthy and don’t exercise where type 1 is when your immune system just doesn’t like your pancreas
I was going somewhere with this but completely lost my train of thought
Kind of? Getting fat and eating too much regularly are great ways to get diabetes, and sugar is a great way to get fat.
Sugar is also acidic. Not enough to kill you, but that’s why ketoacidosis kills people. It also increases blood viscosity, making it pump harder and causing hypertension. Plus, it causes chronic inflammation, which calcifies triglycerides in your blood to form clots.
Sugar has tons of negative effects.
He believed in apple until his end. Hey-0!
He died as he lived, trying to beat PC with Apple.
Golf clap
iSee what you did there
This is…mildly…disconcerting…
There is a distinct type of person, very good at one thing, that is unable to understand that doesn’t translate to the rest of their life. Easiest to describe them as a high int, low wis character.
I call it the engineer disease. Good to know that other fields have it as well…
Ever met a surgeon?
The Dunning-Kruger effect can affect anyone, including experts.
Especially experts. I am good at $thing, so I must be good at everything.
Their mentors advised them to work with unconscious patients only.
Every PhD ever
Doctors failed to communicate the situation in a way he would grasp that his choices were death or chemo. Maybe a, "that’s your choice? OK, before you go, how world you like us to handle your corpse? So you want a full autopsy to confirm the cancer diagnosis, or would you prefer we didn’t? Is there a particular burial home you have plans with? "
But in all likelihood there’s nothing anyone could have said to him to make him see reason.
At some points, people are adults and allowed to make their own bad decisions
There is a real systemic problem with healthcare. I dunno if it would have applied to Jobs, but with normal patients, the quick get-in get-out assembly line–like approach to healthcare means patients don’t feel well taken care of, which is a stark contrast to pseudoscientific woo-woo like chiropracty, reiki, naturopathy, and other “alternative medicine”, where the practitioners take their time and make the patients feel listened to. Is it any wonder that some people, especially those of minorities that have historically tended to be treated even worse by actual medical professionals (women’s “hysteria”, black people “feel pain less”, fat people “just need to lose weight”, etc ), are becoming more likely to embrace the thing that makes them feel good, rather than the thing that actually works?
IMO alternative medicine practitioners who discourage their customers from going to real doctors should be imprisoned. But the big problem is a lack of funding to real doctors to allow them to spend more time providing more personal care to patients.
The guy had practically unlimited money. He could have paid a world class doctor to clean his bathroom every week while giving health advice and playing the guitar at the same time.
I know people who are well off, have serious health issues and spend a lot of effort to go to doctors who are experts in their fields. I’d say part of the problem is that most doctors are really bad with humans.
But in all likelihood there’s nothing anyone could have said to him to make him see reason.
“The CEO after you will mess up the design of apple products”
Also everyone will stop using iPods because they realized the truth that was always there which is that having a separate device for listening to music, when you already have a portable computer in your pocket is stupid.
I’m legitimately wondering if you’re young enough to not know that the iPod came WAY before the first iPhone, which was the first widely adopted smart phone.
You could play your music from your phone quite a good bit before the first iPhone. But even then, IIRC the iPod came before that was common.
Never understood what it did different to a regular mp3 player though.Yeah, that is true, but it’s also true like the other guy said, it was absolutely not worth it and sounded terrible.
You clearly have never heard a 32kbps mp3 coming out of a 2002 phone speaker.
And by good at one thing you mean exploiting people and gaslighting the media.
Still incredible that people bought into “half the features twice the price” Apple products so hard that it corrupted the entire industry
As I’ve gotten older, I’ve come to realize that convenience and simplicity are sometimes a feature. Just Works™ technology has a lot of value (assuming the thing does in fact just work).
I don’t have any Apple products, but there are plenty of other categories in my life where I’ve paid more for a worse product just because I didn’t have to think at all about the one I got.
Just Works™ technology has a lot of value (assuming the thing does in fact just work).
And that assumption is unfounded in Apple’s case. My parents have constant issues with their iPhones that you would never get on Android. But my mom is convinced that it’s easier to use than Android despite never having tried Android
I’d be interested to hear what those problems are. Not saying you’re wrong by any means, but the legacy of the iPhone has been, from the very beginning, a simple, non customizable, piss easy to use, smart phone for dumb people that basically can’t be broken (at least on a software level) because it won’t let you play with any of the fiddly bits. It does exactly what it does and if you don’t like that, shoulda bought an Android instead, because this iPhone isn’t about to let you change it.
That’s not to say that they can’t have bugs or issues, because they certainly can, but the ability of the phone owner to brick themselves is like a fraction of a fraction of a percent of what you’d see with Androids in my experience. Android will let you do what you want up to and including breaking your boot loader if you mess around with developer settings, Apple doesn’t even give you dev settings last I knew.
I’m an Android fan myself but I do see that Apple has a use case, and that use case is giving non technically minded people a device that “just works” mostly without having to fiddle with it.
I’ve switched to iOS exclusively about 10 years ago cause I got tired of android being full of it. I just wanted a phone that works without me tweaking every little thing. I don’t regret the choice one bit, other than giving money to the other tech giant.
This is not me hating android either; I guess I was unlucky with the phones I had.
That said, being a dev myself, my phone shouldn’t be a side project I maintain, but something I can use with ease. Apple products fit that description for me and just as that won’t be a universal sentiment (which it never should be) that’s nothing to be scoffed at.
I feel this way about cars. I still don’t even like automatic doors. Electrical systems in any car is a nightmare. Add 10k little doodads and features all drawing electrical power make so complicated a mess you’ll never sort it out and if you do you’ll probably realize that the automotive engineer set it up that way because there isn’t a better solution that’s obvious to anyone who knows how electrical systems are designed and work let alone a backyard mechanic.
I will give him credit he turned computers and phones into fashion accessories. He is closer to Coco Chanel than any tech visionary. If you think about it his methods were closer to QAnon or flat earth people. You can sell some people anything if you can convince them they are better than other people if they follow you. I am still salty about him overshadowed Dennis Richie passing whole was a real tech visionary.
Steve Jobs a fascist? Like Vichy collaborator and Nazi spy Coco Chanel?
Edit not defending Steve jobs over here
Considering how much control Apple tries to exert over how you use your devices that does seem pretty close to the truth.
Apple’s shitty software isn’t the problem. Literally everything online is collected. Why wouldn’t they? How much do you think this comment costs outside the fediverse? And fuck Apple, too you’re right
Steve Jobs, Edison, Elon are all similar to me as they used smart people and took most of the credit.
See also: Nobel Disease.
What was the one thing he was good at?
People say he was good at marketing but really he was only okay at marketing. He got fined because everyone hated him. Then they completely mismanaged the company and had no choice but to bring him back, which of course just reinforced his ego.
The truth was they could have got any moderately competent CEO and they would have brought Apple back from the brink, just as much as Steve Jobs did. Look at Tim Cook, he’s not doing an obviously worse job than Jobs did, but because he doesn’t have the formers aura, people rightfully call him out every time he does something stupid.
I think he had a good grasp on consumer desires. Which seems to be really tough for the majority of people, perhaps business people in particular.
I used to work as a court clerk and judges are like this. You cannot tell them anything because if they get it into their heads that they know better than you then they will completely ignore reality in favor of their own, largely arbitrary, fictional universe.
The best incentive ever not to commit a crime is to find out how utterly dysfunctional the legal system is.
The Alito brain is the end stage of this mentality.
“‘Any’ limitation?? Have you considered fish and birds aren’t mammals? The principal wouldn’t be happy! Checkmate EPA, now you can’t enforce water quality standards.” -SCOTUS last week.
Being rich makes you so divorced from consequences that you start to believe that what is in your brain is what is real. Money isn’t what we think it is.
These words resonate so hard with me that my head is ringing like a bell right now. “Money isn’t what we think it is.” ^5, you.
Money is like radioactive material. Having a little bit in your house probably is fine but having a mountain of it will make you hole up in a Las Vegas hotel with tissue boxes for shoes
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Or even better, you can buy yourself a pet president.
If Steve Jobs is the bar for being considered genius then half the planet is genius
He might’ve been a marketing genius
Oncology… not so much
It’s unfortunate because his leadership / sense of taste is what made Apple a powerhouse. Under Tim Apple, the software has languished. They’re great at hardware and the software is far from great. What a shame.
Eh, I feel like Jobs was in charge when he could create new products.
Outside of a different Apple Watch launch, I don’t see Jobs really having the ability to create new innovative products.
He didn’t create new products. He conducted the people who were creating new products and steered them. He wasn’t a genius. He was good at guiding people who were.
I’m not saying Jobs was a genius, but he was skilled at leading product design teams that turned cutting edge hardware to practical applications that the market could understand.
And, in general, the market over the past few years has seen little hardware innovation.
What? Microsoft is putting an AI key on every keyboard! Now there’s two keys to replace if you don’t run windows. If that’s not innovation, I don’t know what is.
Yeah computers were doubling in speed every 18 months back then. And there were competing products oftentimes years before Apple put out their version. Apple primarily put a lot of polish onto the technological innovations that were happening at the time.
Don’t get me wrong polish is really important. Apple didn’t invent the MP3 player or the smartphone. But the MP3 players before the iPod were really fiddley and janky. BlackBerries had a downright primitive look and feel next to an iPhone.
Also marketing… a lot of people didn’t know MP3 players existed until they saw advertisements for the iPod.
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He was a dick, but he had a good mind for products. He wasn’t infallible, but he had a sense of taste that was useful in driving others who had greater skills than he.
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Where is the “genius”?
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This is the internet. You can say the word fucking.
Especially considering it’s what about 95% of all the websites are based on.
Your take feels incredibly aggressive. Most people do not want to tinker, they just want their tech to work… Regarding Steve Jobs, are you saying he did not steer Apple to a level of success and prosperity that 99% other companies dream of?
Your opinion of what is overpriced is just your opinion. Apples sales numbers says otherwise, they do not have a monopoly in any market they compete in.
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Why is everyone so aggressive about history and facts? Please take your blind rage back to Reddit. This thread is about Steve Jobs, acting like he did not lead Apple to numerous successes is a bold face lie. You might not agree with his methods but that doesn’t mean he accomplished nothing.
Your example proves my point, the alternative, Google, is just as if not more evil than Apple… just because they allow third party stores and less lock-in does not mean their product is better. Each person can choose the product that suits their needs.
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Of course he did bad things, he’s human, every great person has said, you learn and grow from your failures.
Apple’s iOS was far more polished than Android in the beginning. Hell, Apple’s iTunes Store paired with its iPods revolutionized the cell phone with the iPhone.
The lock-in has both pros and cons. Do i think it’s hard to move off of Apple once you’re in it? No not really, again they don’t own a monopoly in anything. They just provide a very polished experience in what they do aka “it just works.”
The only thing you can’t really transfer is one-time Apple App Store purchases.
Is it easy to switch from Gmail? Yes, creating a new email is easy, do you get the same benefits leaving the market leader? Most likely not…
Regarding Steve Jobs, are you saying he did not steer Apple to a level of success and prosperity that 99% other companies dream of?
Congratulations, you have defended ultra capitalism and the destruction of workers and competition for the personal profit of the shareholders.
Yes I’m an ultra capitalist because I recognize history? Good one bro
I’m not an Apple fan, I never liked the way he dictated form and function and told everyone to fuck off about their feelings. Now that said, his leadership did bring some things to market that would not have grown organically, for better or for worse.
The competition had to contend with good phone battery life, unibody laptops with high DPI screens, and large touchpads with physical feedback. Left to their own devices, these companies would have just kept regurgitating/iterating the same cheap designs they had made for decades.
He wasn’t magic; if he had any superpower, it was attracting and retaining talent.
Pretty sure Apple just packaged shit other companies made with extraordinary marketing. Like the ipod circle everybody went nuts for they settled a lawsuit with creative because of patent infringement. I actually had a creative zen and loved it because it didn’t have Apple software trying to control my music library.
Jobs created toxic work environments. That’s nothing to envy. Nothing to replicate. But we’re in a capitalist society so fuck your feelings.
That’s nothing to envy.
I don’t think that word, or anything like it appeared in my statement.
Jobs created toxic work environments.
…and so did Linus Torvalds* — he’s certainly not the embodiment of capitalism. But I absolutely have a huge amount of respect for Torvalds, even if I don’t approve of his way of his interpersonal/professional style.
(I used to run Arch btw [but I run Debian now].)
*He’s supposedly taken steps in the right direction here and has made improvements.
