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Alternative you could go by boat, but I’d advice is to travel by land because I expect Poland will join you. (or it’s just I’m hoping they will)
I can understand your hesitancy, but the position of “Threat to Global Peace and the World Order” has already been taken. We do have an opening for “Bastion of the Free World” and we encourage you to apply. All things considered, you would be a great fit for the role.
You guys have the most experience with that sort of thing
Ukrainians: “the Germans are here to liberate us from the Russian yoke. And they actually mean it this time!”
Same nazis as they were
Stop posting/upvoting pictures of tweets.
stop reacting to posts with tweets.
Stop being a useful idiot.
Poland has been pouring everything into their military, they are VERY ready for this to all go sideways. I can’t blame them.
If it were up to me i would have only 3 conditions to allow poland go wild towards vladivostok
- Please have a winged hursar blow a horn to signal the attack (would be cool)
- Invite germany and france to tag along
- Dont take Königsberg for yourself but you may kick out the russians there <3
Good.
Their next cavalry charge towards enemy tanks is almost ready!
Can we call humans riding other humans or donkeys cavalry?
Yeah they have a history of things going sideways around them given the location
Also the location of Poland was going sideways multiple times in history
Honestly, if they’d finessed their phrasing a little, that could have been a really good answer.
Yeah they phrased it pretty badly, at least from an English pov, don’t know how good the translation is.
If Germany had started with, and stuck to, attacking Russia, I doubt it’d have been a world war. I don’t remember who all were Russia’s allies at the start, but IIRC only the French were particularly fond of Russia. There weren’t a lot of the usual royal contract-through-marriage, were there? Did many nobles have Russian cousins?
#PATTON WAS RIGHT
Pretty sure that last time they had already taken a couple other countries before heading to Russia. Stopping at Russia was already too late.
Well, yeah. That’s why I qualified it with “if they had started with…” You’re right, though; they couldn’t have invaded Russia without first going through a couple of other countries first. They could have technically invaded Russia while minimally involving other countries by going through Poland to get to Kaliningrad Oblast. But then they’d be stuck again; they’d have to have taken Belarus to get to Moscow.
So: Poland, Belarus, and next stop: Miscow! Easy peasy. Talk the Japanese out of antagonizing the US and have them focus on Russia, with a promise to divide it. Not that the Japanese would have been much help on mainland Russia, but it’d at least give them something else to worry about.
I’m afraid you’re gonna have to come up with a specific timeframe here.
WW1? The Germany Empire wasn’t really the spark for this one. The entire royalty of the continent was effectively cousins. There may be some wiggle room, but most of them were literal cousins, with Wilhelm II and Nicholas II being most notable in this context.
Nobody was ‘fond’ of Russia in any way. Most European nations then saw it as they do now- large, unpredictable, and territorially aggressive. France and Britain were a part of the Triple Entente not because they trusted each other, but because it was a reasonably sensible counter to the Triple Alliance.
WW2? Royal intermarriage was mostly a moot point after the first go around even in nations that managed to not get their entire lineages deposed. As for the Soviet Union, still wildly unpopular. If your point is that Nazi Germany might have gotten away with things if they’d stayed tied up with Russia instead of trying to diversify their murder portfolio- I’d disagree. They would have gotten the OK from other Western powers for a time, but would still crumple from internal strife, the war was as much a wallpapering of those issues as it was any grand ambitions of Hitler’s.
Sure, good point; I assumed we were taking about WWII because - as you point out - Germany wasn’t the instigator, and OPs post seemed to imply WWII.
And I disagree about the irrelevance of noble ties at the start of WWII. Yes, most of the countries involved were no longer monarchies, but names still had weight. Take Thurn und Taxis in Germany, for instance.
I grant that by 1930 they weren’t the drivers of policy, and even before that Europe’s royalty were regularly going to war with their cousins. But few in the hereditary European elite had many ties to Russia.
I didn’t say Germany would have won a war with Russia, only that if they had, and has stayed focused on Russia, it wouldn’t have become a world war. There’d have been no “Allies”.
There’s a big caveat there, though, and that’s Japan. Germany attacking Russia would have naturally resulted in an alliance with Japan in any case, and once America got involved now the Germans are allied against the Americans. Without the Western front, though, America could have focused all efforts on Japan and might have allied with Russia; the Pacific conflict might have been shorter, and not ended with the Bomb. But once Japan’s defeated, does America continue to reinforce Russia against Japan’s former allies, the Germans?
I also wonder what role Africa would have played. Germany was always going to need to go after the oil, and what alliances would have resulted from that? I don’t think any of the Western countries saw Africa as anything more than a source of natural resources, so it would have been less “coming to their aid” and more “protecting our assets there”.
Without an invasion of France, or aggression against the UK directly, would the UK have gotten involved, or would Chamberlain’s policy held? I feel as if France, if anything, would have only dug in and fortified their borders, and watched.
The aristocrats of the western empires may have still carried weight to their names, but the Great Depression was really putting strain on the legitimacy and popularity of the established order.
As for Japan: they were already scrapping with the Soviets at the time in Khalkhin Gol. If anything the American entry to the war freed the Soviets to just a single front. American efforts in the European theater I largely take to be more “maintaining market access” to the UK and France than any real desire to be there.
France may have sat back, but I kinda doubt it. A weakened Germany after fighting the Soviets would have tempted them to retake lands east of the Rhine that they’d lost following the Napoleonic campaigns. My take is that none of the powers were peacable or invested in the status quo, just less rabid about expansion than the Nazis.
Oh, yeah. It’s all wild speculation. The Germans and French have been trading land on that border for so long, there’s no way Germany or France wouldn’t start something at some point.
I think the point is more that for WW2 the other nations would have just left them to it more. Maybe profit off the increased demand for materials. However, the war started because of Germany invading Poland, and you kinda need to go through Poland to get to the USSR.
Encourage the USSR to try and take all of Poland first, then attack back when they are getting close? Not sure tbh.
Germany starts world war 3
The rest of the world: “how do we keep falling for this?”
“Ww3 this time we’re the good guys!” Smaller print “We’ve double checked and had it put in writing.”
The only requirement to be a good guy is to win.
Everyone loves a good heel-face turn though
First John Cena then Germany
John Cena would be the US in this example. Sudden unexpected face-heel turn
Deutschland über alles!
Oh no the innocent Germans are being forced to become Nazis by other western countries. It’s definitely not because the entire west worked with Nazis after WW2 to “fight communism”.
The Nazis never left Germany. They just expanded beyond it.
They worked with them DURING WW2 from the moment it was clear the germs would lose.
Yep. A lot of Nazi leaders began making their connections with the west as it became obvious that the USSR was winning in the Eastern front as well as Operation Paperclip, etc.
Everyone knows about Operation Paperclip.
Which for some can be whitwashed as useful.
But it was much worse and blatant.
Saving the worst warcriminals and 1000’s of SS division ukranianGalizien.
Later project aerodynamic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB_Gs-0dhOo
https://ebeggin.substack.com/p/ratlines-nato-and-the-fourth-reichAnd it all shows it was the UK/US that actually wanted the contacts.
Absolutely. Thanks for the receipts.
I mean Canada literally honored a WW2 vet for a Ukrainian that “fought Russia” in WW2. Like, no thought “who was fighting the USSR in Ukraine in WW2?”
And they keep going with this BS.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/12/30/cypl-d30.html
Canada really is infested with them.
It might work this time!
I’m sure if it came to it, Canada would send some good folks along as well.
I hope for Canada’s sake, and for the sake of NATO and the EU, that Canada puts on some big boy pants and boosts its military. I have seen a lot of talk such as yours, but the reality is that Canada’s military is a joke. Canada is so far behind in it’s military spending obligation for NATO that they don’t even have a timeline for catching up. Canada’s airforce is 1/3rd the size of France’s and France is the 10th largest Airforce in the world. The Canadian Army only has 22,000 active troops while the entire Canadian Armed Forces is only around 68,000 strong.
Canada has had troops on the ground for a lot of global military events, but they’ve almost never fielded a significant number. In the Gulf War they had ~4,500 troops, the Coalition had >950,000 troops and 700,000 of them were from the US. In the War in Afghanistan Canada had ~40,000 troops over 13 years (Operation Enduring Freedom) and at any one point had no more than 2,500 troops deployed. Meanwhile the US had 1.9 million deployed in the same period and at it’s peak had over 100,000 troops deployed at once.
Oh but we gotta talk about WW1 and WW2 because people always take it there. In WW1 Canada deployed 620,000 troops while the US deployed 4.7 million. In WW2 the Allied Powers had a combined total over over 80 million troops, the US had around 16.5 million while Canada had 1.1 million.
As an American who likes Canada and doesn’t agree with the current US political direction, I absolutely hope Canada puts it’s money where it’s mouth is. When Russia invaded Crimea in 2014 NATO members were supposed to increase their spending to prepare to stand up to Russia and as of 2021 only 5 of the 31 states had met that goal. As of 2024 only 8 states still had not met the goal, but Canada had the special distinction of being the only member state with no timeline on when they would meet that goal.
In a Politico article from last year
“The Canadian public doesn’t really see the need,” said Philippe Lagassé, Barton chair at Canada’s Carleton University. “If forced to choose between defense spending, social programs or reducing taxes, defense would always come last. So there’s no political gain to meeting the pledge.”
With the US threatening to leave NATO the EU has stepped up with a rearmament plan as recently as this week, let’s hope Canada does the same.
We might get a bit busy but I’m sure we can spare one or two war crimes their way.
Hey, they might actually manage the cold! This is brilliant!
Its funny but yes we want a functioning Democracy to defend other democracies.
Exactly! It’s a pretty radical concept these days, I know.
Assuming the internet exists in the future…
It’s a bold assumption.
I work almost entirely on things that use/need the Internet, and I know enough about how it all works that… The Internet existing in the future, is not guaranteed. At all.
Same… it’s a weird space to be in mentally.
I am ok if Europe wants to send troops to Canada to defend against the real enemy—the United States.
I’ll come to defend the indiginous people from Canadians stealing and polluting their land.
As an American I fully support this. We don’t want to invade Canada either. Just the Orange Idiot and his bootlickers.
USA = U Stand Alone.
As an American, I stand for this. You’ll never see me fight any country besides the enemy within the US.
*Occupied States
If it comes to it, there won’t be a conventional battle. We will take them out from within.
In the wise words of the Arrogant Worms, “We’ll take a boat to Washingtooooooon! And burn the White House twice!”
I was going to joke “I’ll send y’all intel,” but now I’m seriously considering if my country will use that statement against me some day.
I am joking NSA/DOGE, of course.
Too late the van is already on its way
I don’t want intel, AMD is better imo.
