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It’s true that symbols and gestures can have historical origins that predate their modern meanings. However, intent and context always matter. The Nazi salute, whether or not it had roots in an earlier Roman gesture, is now overwhelmingly associated with fascism, white supremacy, and authoritarianism. When a public figure—especially a political leader—uses a gesture that resembles it, people have every reason to question why.
Dismissing those concerns as “a stretch” ignores the reality that optics matter in politics. If a leader doesn’t want to be associated with fascist imagery, they have a responsibility to be mindful of what they do. The burden isn’t on the public to assume good intentions—it’s on the leader to avoid any association with dangerous ideologies.
As for the claim that Democrats are “closer to democratic socialism” and thus closer to Nazis, that’s a misreading of political history. The Nazis were far-right ultranationalists who used state control to consolidate power, suppress opposition, and enforce racial supremacy. Democratic socialism, on the other hand, is about expanding worker protections and social welfare within a democratic system—not authoritarian rule.
Finally, while I agree that finding common ground is valuable, pretending that ideological divides are just trivial differences overlooks the very real stakes involved. Not all disagreements are just about policy—they’re about fundamental values, including democracy itself. If one side is leaning into authoritarianism, that’s not a “both sides” issue. It’s a problem that needs to be called out.
You should say some of this stuff in public and see what happens to you
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So you live in a sundown town….and you’re bragging about it? Lmao I don’t have words.
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You’re a clown Talon.
When exactly will you start believing the reality before you rather than the one you conjure to insulate yourself from reality?
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Yeah they’re not using swastikas and fascist salutes for their religious or spiritual significance. Dragging that tired old shit out of about as brick headed as the dipshits who insist the nsp was actually socialist in any meaningful way.
Stop apologizing, just say your a fascist and wear it proudly like everyone else since it’s somehow not social suicide anymore.
Second?
The first and second happened on the same stage within 5 second of each other
And that was hardly the first…
Here’s the video: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Cxg3Ho4rgjg
Aka “karate chopping the Plausible Deniability right in the throat”
Surely them doing the Nazis salute counts as cultural appropriation. The right-wing German should be complaining about it. They need to come up with their own salutes
Hey! That’s our thing!
Didn’t we used to do the nazi salute for the pledge of allegience before ww2? I remember reading it somewhere but also FUCK NAZIS
AFAIK it was a reference to the “Italian Salute”, aka Mussolini, the coiner of the term fascism… So not really all that much better…
Tbf, it didn’t have the Nazi connotation then. It’s like how the meaning of the Swastika has changed over time. It been common in Hindu and Buddhist iconography for over a thousand years.
TBF in this case stands for “to be rational”.
The pledge itself is already nazi bullshit.
Fuck off sloppy steve
Somebody should tell him that if he’s going to be a Nazi then he needs to have acquire a snazzy sense of style. He looks like a random old man down the sports bar.
This was a nazi salute, or at least a reference to it, you can obviously see it. However, and this is where it becomes slightly problematic…
Is it enough of a nazi salute to not work in their favor? We can easily compare Elons salute with a nazi one, just show it side by side with an actual one. But this one is obviously (you can see it on his face) meant to reference it, but it is not as explicit. The problem is that when it is called out, it is just another case of “the woke left screaming that everyone that disagrees with them is a nazi”.
I have no idea how we should handle shit like this.
If it looks like an intentional nazi salute then it is a nazi salute. No overthinking needed.
It was enough of a Nazi salute for the head of France’s far-right party, who are Nazis, to cancel his planned speech.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/21/steve-bannon-jordan-bardella-nazi-salute-cpac
I was hesitant at first, but like. What the hell else is he doing? He isn’t gesturing to emphasize something he’s saying, he isn’t waving at anyone, he isn’t addressing the crowd. Literally the only thing it can reasonably be is a heil.
The difference is Bannon knows what he’s doing, while Ellonie is a moron.
Bannon did it just half-heartedly enough to throw doubt into it when asked. Elon tried his best.
I’m usually not a fan of zero tolerance policies, but I make an exception for Nazi shit.
You are probably right, I am just not sure how to react to stuff like this anymore
And thats the idea. Burn you out so you just lie there until they have finished. Like a good little victim.
Baring the opportunity to just stab the assailant: The solution of course is to make a repeatable pattern of defiance which costs you nothing of your mental capacity but makes a difference if done at scale.
- Post about it “this is what you voted for”
- make a list of nazi controlled companies you will never buy from again unless its life or death and share the list
- reframe your wording and thinking: the us is a failed state, a fascist state, ruled by nazis, educate yourself on what actually happened in the third reich and educate others, start hanging the us flag upside down, use suggestive avatars on social media (careful with your surroundings).
This all in itself wont change anything but at scale it will shift the public eye and make things better, bit by bit.
Third
Man, that one was so much worse than I remembered. I thought it was just part of a wider gesture, but that heil and the wave that came afterward are clearly two different emotes
Does that count as two?
Close, but trump does have his hand vertical enough to be a legitimate wave.
True, good point.
I would be honestly surprised if trump ever did it. For how much of a scumbag he is, it doesn’t seem like his style. I’m sure he’s fine with other people doing it though.Look at the bottom left.
They’re just saying it doesn’t count as two because Trump’s doesn’t really count. The one on the bottom left is absolutely a Nazi salute.
Ah my bad, missed the comment asking if that counted as two.
Bannon looks like old dried white dog shit, I hope mortality catches up with him soon
I hear if we can get a third before the end of the month, those egg prices will start tumbling!
Why exactly are we repeating history
This is what happens when you systematically destroy the education system.
“But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security”
Do we have a video of this?
Made this handy gif earlier but was too lazy to post it
That’s the most half-assed salute I’ve ever seen.
I know i had the same reaction…
They really doing this and that’s it, fuck all we an do.
This is the regime we got in charge for next four years
"The Manson Family had a more coherent ideology than MAGA. And the liberal criticism that American ‘fascism’ is merely a personality cult around Trump seems justified,’ notorious white supremacist Richard Spencer said on Friday
Couldn’t get past the subheading…I guess today is the day I agree with a white supremacist.
Fuentes is getting uncomfortable? “Just kidding” he says. I fucking hate people like this. Same people that googled if they could change their election vote.
Whatever Fuentes is, he’s in an entirely different category than people who googled if they could change their election vote. Those people were straight up ignorant low-information voters. Fuentes is either trying to use a “Schrodinger’s douchebag” tactic deliberately (99% chance) or is somewhat genuinely reformed (LOLWTF% chance), but is definitely not ignorant.
There’s only one kind of good nazi. We should strive to make them all like that.
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