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    This is mostly an American thing. They/we tend to be more entitled and very selfish. Often making excuses for bad behavior with lines like “I’m keeping people employed”. No stupid, you’re increasing our groceries because of your selfishness.

    Now I live in Taiwan and have visited many countries and found out that this is not the norm. Most people care about the community their live in and oftentimes put back their carts.

    Another example of American entitlement. Americans often throw trash on the ground in parking lots because the trash cans are too far away or they can’t find one. Again the same excuses, “Keeping these people employed”.

    In Taiwan(and Japan), if you can’t find a trash can, you take your trash home with you. You actually have a hard time finding a bin in public here. But our streets are typically very clean. Because we care about the community and the people here are less selfish.

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      And you’ll be heavily fined if you don’t carry your trash home. Personally I prefer public trash cans, especially when I’m visiting a place hours from home. That way I can enjoy being there rather than carrying soggy trash with me for ten hours. But to each their own.

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        We are not encouraged to carry our trash home because of “fines”. We do it because it’s the right thing to do if you can’t find a trash bin.

        I have carried my trash for hours before I found a bin. It’s the norm to do that and we even have methods to carry it more effectively.

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          Gross

          No but really, I find that grosser than litter. Litter isn’t pleasant and it eventually gets into bad places like water, but I’d much much much rather a bunch of litter around than having to carry (many types of) trash around.

          This is not to say that I personally litter on any but biodegradable stuff (apple cores ex), just that I can get it if theres no bins.

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            Gross? Are you taking dumps in trashbins or wtf?? Carrying basic trash (packaging? Plastic? Paper?) in a bag isn’t gross if done properly. But I do agree that having trashbins is just easier. It’s just that some places don’t have them (wildlife parks, mountains…).

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        Issaquah WA which is an affluent area east of Seattle.

        I also lived in Los Angeles and some of these people take the carts pass the corral and all the way to their neighborhoods.

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      You absolutely won’t have the savings passed onto you if the store fires one of the cart managers. That’s the same logic as thinking self checkout makes store prices cheaper. Maybe if every store were locally owned it might work that way, but we’re far from that sort of system.

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        Nobody said the savings will trickle down to consumers. But best believe it will INCREASE if enough idiots do stupid things.

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        They didn’t ask for an example of American broken thinking but you provided it anyway because it’s another thing Americans excel at.

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          I return the carts and I don’t litter, but lets not lie about the effects of cart returning on socioeconomic outcomes. That’s bullshit and you know it.

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    I leave the carts that I find near the handicapped spots, as I know when my back goes out I really appreciate having a cart to lean on. I think it’s common for a cart to be a sort of crutch.

    My own carts I take back to the store unless I’m way at the end of the lot. If it’s raining or something, always back to the store. I’m already wet, and I don’t wanna make someone trudge out in the wet any longer than necessary.

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    There are some of you out there that really can’t return the cart. Maybe it’s your own mobility issues; maybe it’s children, animals, or something else that you can’t leave unattended in the vehicle; maybe you just ran out of spoons picking up your medical supplies; whatever reason–I got chu, fam.

    When I turn around to return my cart, I always look for stragglers and bring them back. I’m forever alone, but healthy, so getting carts back to their “home” is the least I can do.

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        “A rising tide raises all ships” has become my mantra as I try to do small things for others and for my community

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          Better than nothing 🤷‍♀️

          Feeling powerless and useless and shitty and need to do something to make the world a more positive place, no matter how tiny. I cast big squishy trans pride silicone six sided dice and gave them away at a board game convention and the happiness that brought some people is one of the things keeping me alive tbh, more literally than most people would like to know about.

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    So I used to put my cart back all the time but then I found out it creates jobs for people that cant get a job. Some one getting out of jail living in a half way home can use these jobs to get out of their situation. I no longer put it back.

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    Why is this such a thing people are obsessed with? Like there’s a billion things wrong with the world at every scale imaginable and your concern is the cart return guy has to walk around an extra 10 ft? There isn’t even consensus amongst the people who have to do the cleanup that this is bad. Just move on.

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      Yeah and honestly why use a turn signal? They’ll figure it out when you turn. And speed limits are obviously set too slow because they assume everyone will do ten over, right? And there’s like a solid three seconds after the light turns red where there’s basically zero chance anyone will be in the intersection! Social cohesion, order and civic pride are meaningless. Move on.

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        Why do you think those are analogous? You’re telling me you genuinely believe that running a red light is analogous to putting a shopping cart in the wrong place? If you seriously think this: you’re deranged and need help.

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      Or you could follow the basic signs that are written up everywhere and have the basic human decency of returning the thing that you took in the first place

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          No, it’s every store. They have to. If they didn’t have the signs put up then they could be legally liable for any accidents involving free carts in the parking lot. By having the signs up they avoid that responsibility by putting it on you.

          This really is just about basic common decency. The rest of us put the carts back because we still have some.

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            Oh you mean the liability signs? Yeah if you let lawyers near anything they will put up signs. Those signs just say the store isn’t liable, park at your own risk. They do that so if there’s a lawsuit they have better ground on which to force a settlement. The signs themselves aren’t legally binding, that’s a hilarious concept.

            This is why you put the lawyers in the corner with blinders on and a nice heartwarming Hallmark movie playing so they don’t go crazy from a mixture of cocaine and anxiety.

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              No, not even those. The ones that literally say “Please put your cart back in the corral”.

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    This is such a weak post. You really wanna be a good steward of carts? Get one from the corral on the way in instead of using one from the inside. Especially if it’s not out of the way. Make the cart retriever’s job even easier. Especially on super hot/cold days.

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      I do this, not because I’m courteous but because if I take one from the outdoor corrals I don’t have to wait behind three grannies slowly selecting carts from the inside corral.

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      This is the way.

      Also, by taking a cart from the corral and bringing it in with you, you’re actively modeling a virtuous behavior you hope people emulate, which does more to correct the problem than whining online about it.

      But it does make me wonder about us sometimes. How did we get this way? How did “Fuck everybody else; got mine” become the default way Americans think? Am I the weird one for being raised to be thoughtful about these kinds of choices?

      I don’t claim to be perfect. I’ve had bad days when I take advantage that permissiveness-inconsiderateness that I see around me all the time, but I always know that it’s wrong, and that I’m doing an inconsiderate thing, but that my frustration affords me the grace to be selfish about this one thing.

      One of the Academy Award nominated short films this year is Instruments of a Beating Heart, about a class of Japanese first-grade students preparing to perform Ode to Joy for the new first year students that will take their places. It’s primarily about the struggle of one girl, but set against the backdrop of Japanese grade school life, student responsibility and expectation-setting for young humans experiencing their first non-familial social environments. It made me think “Well, at least these kids are going to be alright.”

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        The most generous explanation I can get is that people who don’t put them in the corrals think they’re not as bad as other people not leaving them in the corrals because “hey, at least I put it on the curb,” or “hey, at least I didn’t didn’t leave it in the handicap area,” or “hey, at least I didn’t put it on a slope so it won’t hit any cars,” etc.

        I also think there is just a ton of classism here. A lot of people feel better by belittling others. I think on some level the working class realizes they’re being taken advantage of, but rather than taking it out in those above them they make others feel lower than themselves. “I am a hard worker. I put in 60 hours a week. My body wasted away. I am honorable for doing this to support my family. I am not lazy. I have skills. Minimum wage workers at the shopping center are lazy and have no skills. I am doing them a favor. I will not stoop to their level by performing such tasks.” I think it makes working class people feel like royalty to belittle other working class people they view as less than themselves.

        I don’t know how it got like this. I can make guesses all day long but I really don’t know.

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    I’ll never understand people who make doing free labor for a corporation some sort of top tier ethical standard.

    Not lttering, following traffic rules, there are so many small ways we make our society better and yet people get so worked up over the one that is providing free labor.

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    wowowow mister millionaires, who has so much money they need a “cart” to carry their things. I can only buy like 7 eggs from my salary, so I don’t have this kind of 1% problem, I can carry them easily in my hands