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    Liberals are not left wing, the left starts at the abolition of capitalism. Without that they cannot back up any concept of equality or equity.

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                Are you? Did you skip history class? Did you just not get taught how Hitler was appointed and why liberals felt he was the moderate choice that more closely aligned with them than the actual left wing people they were using state power to suppress?

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                  Liberals didn’t elect Trump, fascist, though. Does not compute.

                  Liberals also got the Civil rights Act of 1964 passed in Congress, despite MLK’s prior Birmingham letter.

                  To equate American Democratic liberalism of today to German parties of the 1930s… Yeesh.

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                    I didn’t mention Trump, though liberals did elect Trump. Conservative liberalism is still liberalism; Americans shortened it because, well, they can’t really handle big words.

                    As far as the civil rights act that was a median 40 years after the rest of the world… Who cares? Congrats you eventually, after nearly all other western countries did so, adopted a half hearted version of equality that has, 60 years later, failed to make the demographics included equal. Such a big accomplishment. Almost as if you did the bare minimum, reluctantly, and didn’t fight the immediate erosion of it.

                    And you’re right, the liberals of the 1930s were more progressive than the liberals of the 2020s in the US… Weimar liberals didn’t think twice about providing low cost healthcare, trans gender care, or support for gay marriage and relationships. American liberals (at least the elected officials) didn’t support gay marriage until 2014.

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                    Liberals also got the Civil rights Act of 1964 passed in Congress, despite MLK’s prior Birmingham letter.

                    ahahaha liberals HATED MLK, he is only considered a popularly liked relatively uncontroversial political figure because leftists beat down the doors of liberals who would have rather plugged their ears and let the status quo continue indefinitely while telling black men football isn’t the right place to ask for empathy for black lives as that is political and sports aren’t…

                    Imagine if Bernie Sanders was black, even more radical and you lived during a time that being centrist meant at a minimum being pretty damn racist…

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      I think you’re confusing the left with far left idealists. “Right wing” and “left wing” are symbolic terms that once represented the right and left sides of the French National Assembly during the French Revolution.

      So the “left” is referencing democrats/liberals, not anti-capitalists.

      You might want to either co-opt a different term, or better yet- come up with something new.

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        No matter how much you liberals whine, you’re not left wing. The left starts are the abolition of capitalism, as equality and equity cannot exist under capitalism.

        As far as the origin of the term… That’s not how language works. It evolves over time. The liberals haven’t been included in the left since you people appointed Hitler after instigating more than a decade of institutional violence against communists.

        You’re not left wing, you’re the exclusive reason fascists have ever gained power.

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            Are you running an LLM with basically no tokens?

            I addressed your appeal to history, what additional fallacy are you going to present to defend your left wing belief that Hitler is preferable to communism, an idea core to liberalism?

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              Are you running an LLM with basically no tokens?

              I have no fucking idea what that even means, but… HOLY FUCKING SHIT! In one paragraph. You acknowledge that history can change the meaning of a term, and in another, you blatantly accuse modern day liberals of being fascist because of shit that happened in the 1930’s?

              That is some Olympic-level mental gymnastics! And god dammed hilarious!

              You’re definitely trolling. There’s no doubt.