I mean… I kinda get it, but nowadays it’s starting to get absurd.
(EDIT: This was supposed to be a “blow air out my nose and get on with my life” meme…)
I literally just watched a video essay about The Thing and this made me laugh.
I literally just lost some language and mathematics by reading your comment.
Care to elaborate?
Only if you elaborate on how a video is different from a video essay.
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The racism in Japan isn’t outward, they keep it to themselves. You wouldn’t even notice it if you went there as a tourist, since they stay polite. The “no gaijin allowed” places are rare unless you want to visit a certain type of establishment 😉 Japan has systemic racism against ethnic Chinese citizens, but the average Japanese person isn’t racist to Chinese people and if they are it’s from ignorance rather than hatred. Japan is one of the top foreign destinations for tourists from China. It wouldn’t be if Chinese people weren’t welcome.
You’d have a tougher time in South Korea. Where they actually say racist shit to your face.
This is an interesting take. I’ve been to Japan as a tourist once, and I can tell it was probably one of my best trips I’ve ever made (the sheer amount of novelty and getting around the people was really cool), and I can attest the people were very nice to me. But I can also tell, if I was part of the work force, the sentiment would be different. I did never see signs against Chinese people anywhere BTW.
As for the “China bad” part. Check how people brigade on shitter to “cancel people out” (very definition of cancel culture) and you quickly see that some people LOVE the mob mentality. This is also ehay is going on by people going after stuff such as dji for no reason (but I will say straight up, I am not sure if I would trust network equipment easily. Same for me actually applies to cisco as well)
The mob mentality part and the self-justice and eye-for-an-eye-mentality is something I, as a European, find quite appalling. Not only in the Chinese but (South-) Korean culture as well. Granted I barely know more about their respective cultures than you can see from their exported tv-shows and other media. Frankly even “Squid games” made me sick at times. And the way some Korean novels and anime praise acts of completely over the top acts of revenge is not something I can identify with. However there seem to be more similarities between both countries than they care to admit.
On another note, has anyone watched the sequel to Initial D? Holy fucking hell, the damn nationalism is way too obvious
Haven’t watched anything anime related for ages… Never watched initial d. But its possible the nationalist thing is accurate (also: what’s the deal of portrayals on the regular of Germans in their shows?). Regarding the whole over the top “violence” and other stuff, there is for sure a difference in cultures here. I find funny for instance on anime we have the mega villains and all that, but in contrast, if you leave a bike unattended in the middle of Tokyo there is a big chance you still see it next day. Of course there is the whole yakuza thing and scamming tourists, but I would argue criminality is just very different. As for why people lean into sometimes what we consider extreme content, maybe is just an exposure thing? When people are exposed to different realities they tend to be either more or less inclined to see depictions of it or complete opposites.
Recently, the new Indiana Jones game highlighted Japan’s aerial bombardment of Shanghai before WW2. It was a nice reminder to me that Japan is hardly an innocent nation, no matter how much they’re praised for today.
The Yakuza games also have some pretty good focus on how they treat the homeless, including demographics of Chinese and Korean immigrants that get marginalized.
The electronics bit is where I’m concerned, in part because their aggression is not limited to government, but also private citizens. They’ve previously attempted to repatriate immigrants via coercion and forced abductions.
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Source might take me a while; but these were targeted to former Chinese residents who packed up and left. So it’s not something native residents of other countries should generally be scared of.
EDIT: Found a decent Wikipedia article pretty quickly.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnational_repression_by_China
Another one, less sure about the source: https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/03/29/the-disappeared-china-renditions-kidnapping/#cookie_message_anchor
if you fled China because you had to or else bad things would happen, there’s a good chance you’re gonna get stalked and sent death threats both physically and in digital form. Its crazy how far their reach is and how governments globally just don’t care because it would be such a hassle to deal with.
What about iThing ?
It do be like that with manga/manhua tbh. I still prefer Korean webcomics because I like my trash but… It’s been ages since I read a decent Chinese webcomic or manhua. They are so fucking trash. I’m sure there are some good ones but… Yeah.
Chinese yuri and yaoi goes hard but most of the good ones are webnovels. Heavenly officials blessing has a chinese anime adaptation tho.
Chinese studios on their way to create yet another Wuxia donghua
That’s the problem, I love wuxia, I love stupid power levels and all that, I love my trash comics. It’s the story they tell alongside that that irks me to no end.
Close to zero decent dialogue between people besides shitty villains talking big until the hero flips his eyelash and suddenly everyone is bowing to them. There’s no interesting characters, no banter.
To give some examples of wuxia done right (I like the top batch more but the other ones are alright):
Return of the mount hua sect Infinite levelling: murim Return of the crazy demon Nano machine Absolute sword sense Star instructor or something
I reincarnated as the crazed heir Path of the shaman
Half wuxia: Murim login
All of these have a mc with personality, there’s decent banter between characters, there’s an interesting plot, plot changes make sense…
There’s also the “dungeon” theme with portals that grew in popularity since solo levelling (around then) that is basically the same trash plot with another power level vector.
I liked Mo Dao Zu Shi, but it’s one of the more known ones anyway I think
Chinese studios going on to make the most misogynistic shit I’ve seen
I don’t want to generalise but… Yeah… That’s a big reason why a lot of manhuas just suck.
it’s honestly crazy, most LGBT stuff I’ve seen was from china, but also most misogynistic and homophobic shit I’ve read was also from china
the only thing I’ve noticed that people care more about a Chinese thing is a Russian thing.
As an ethnic chinese in South East Asia, there’s two kind of chinese i’ve met, “China is the best country in the world! CCP is the best because they take good care of all the chinese everywhere! Everything about that country is good!” and “China is the worst country in the world! CCP is the worst because they censor everything and lie about everything! Everything about that country is dogshit!”, rarely in between.
Sounds a lot like my experience with Americans re: their government.
I guess propaganda can be pretty insidious.
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For what it’s worth, you’re not alone. I think I’m going with the whole, “I must outlive my enemies” ideology for coping, because fuck it. But it’s always refreshing to hear from like-minded people, when sometimes I feel so helpless to change anything. Ignorance has run rampant, but at least I know there’s friends all over the world
It sounds to me like your parents are engaging with nuance in a complicated world, rather than boiling everything down to either “this is good” or “this is bad”.
If it helps in any way, every country in the world has their set if problems, but in essence it evolves around the fact that many/most people are incapable of realising they were wrong and change their behaviour and voting.
One of Germany’s issues for example is that while industrialization has made the country prosperous it also made it demitral to the environment. Those that lived in the golden times and worked for it naturally don’t want to miss out their hard-earned pensions. However the younger generations have to work even harder to finance their pensions as they make up much of the population. Meanwhile the world’s environment is fucked and we need to swiftly transform the country which is expensive all the while dealing with rising nationalism in the world slowly rising in heat and already discharging into war around european neighbourhood. And yet the same lucky generations are calling us weak and lazy, but insist on voting parties that don’t have any tiny ounce of interest to work to deal with the problems we face and actually oppose working towards an actual solution.
So yeah, i am honestly quite hopeless for the future myself, but I force myself to at least try to change it - I mean sticking our heads in the sand only helps the assholes doesn’t it?
The most common I see is “I love China and their culture is neat, but their government is evil”.
As we all know, there has never been any chinese app trending in the US. This because people hate the Chinese and everything they touch /s
Living in a sanctuary city, plenty of people around me are Chinese. I’ve also been enjoying the current state of Chinese gaming. Of course…I play those games on devices I can sandbox.
Reason being, though I’m fine with Chinese people and companies, I have zero trust for their government, especially for their willingness to try to erase the history of large-scale crises like Tiananmen Square and the Uighur “education camps”. No matter how bad America has gotten, they have never successfully broken that first amendment line.
Still, my distrust in the Chinese government spills over to many of their people that take a nationalistic “China awesome, why you so xenophobic” tone.
Sounds like you’ve absorbed a lot of propaganda. Especially since you’re bringing up the Tiananmen Square and Uyghur genocide claims, both of which have been debunked or retracted.
Found the Tankie
Why are you like this? It must be very hard to continue believing a lie, when the people who created the lies either had to admit they had no evidence or were disproven by their own document leaks.
https://www.workers.org/2022/06/64607/amp/
https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/19/china-uighurs-genocide-us-pompeo-blinken/
You know that first link might be believable if it weren’t for the fact that there’s actual video evidence of the massacre.
As well as pictures.
Trigger warning on the pictures. Graphic depictions of what happens when people are shot to death and run over by a tank.
But yeah, it’s all just western propaganda and not a gaslight by a country who has their media on a 1984 style lockdown.
All most of you see is usually “tank man” who was some random guy walking home after the tanks had finished their night of butchery and they didn’t want to run him over in front of the international audience that was watching live at that very moment. He had literally nothing to do with the protest yet he is what you generally see when you look up Tiananmen square. I wonder why that is? 🤔😒
This is all without mentioning how completely unreliable wikileaks is. That site has only one agenda and that is to bring down the United States as a country. Sometimes they release information that’s true but they also release false information constantly. If you’re relying on that as a source then you are a fool.
So you’re blaming Wikileaks for the content of the cables?
Okay even if those so-called cables are not completely manufactured they don’t prove anything at all. And that second article is a joke. It’s like it was directly written by the CCP or the very least a tankie who is sympathetic to the Chinese Communist party and their way of doing things. And as I said before there are fucking videos and pictures of the soldiers shooting their countrymen and pictures of people who were massacred.
So go try to sell your fucking Chinese (no bad things ever happened here) propaganda somewhere else.
Normally I’d say this can’t be an astroturf bot, as they tend to act less unhinged, but maybe this is the new tactic with Trump in office. Who’s to say?
To anyone reading this, notice how hard they cherrypicked after being slapped in the face with evidence - then they doubled down.
This person expects you to be stupid, they actually count on it. Keep that in mind.
I don’t understand, are you saying that Tiananmen Sqare is faked? Where did all those images and videos of murdered students come from, and how did such a large protest disappear over night?
I’m genuinely curious to understand.“The Chinese government’s account acknowledges that street fighting and armed clashes occurred in nearby neighborhoods. They say that approximately three hundred died that night including many soldiers who died from gunfire, Molotov cocktails and beatings. But they have insisted that there was no massacre.”
Look, am I to believe that only students were the ones who fired weapons? What does this paragraph mean to you? Did any soldiers fire any weapons that night?
Maybe try reading the whole thing? Sorry, I understand folks don’t like reading anything longer than a tweet, but you gotta do that sometimes in life.
The student protest was earlier in the day. The anti-government protestors came back with weapons later. And at the time, western journalists confirmed. But the anti-China narrative evolved over the years.
So. You’re saying that every single student protestor left, then, later in the day, an entirely new group of protestors emerged, who were armed and violent? I read the entire article, twice, but I don’t believe that there were two distinct groups.
What is this “you’re saying” nonsense? I’m not saying shit.
I’m referencing multiple sources, including multiple journalists and news agencies at the time. They are saying one thing, while anti-China spooks are saying another.
How does your beliefs have any weight here? Multiple outlets confirmed the fact, as have leaked intelligence documents. Your opinion carries no value here, same as my own.
You’re the person they’re talking about.
I’m just pointing out that their claims were debunked. Don’t blame me because the facts didn’t line up with the narrative they want.
Source?
The first link cites:
- Wikileaks
- A chinese person
- The ccp itself. It also just seems to be a wordpress blog.
The second link just seems to say (I couldn’t read the whole thing, the site is annoying to use) that it couldn’t legally be considered genocide because of the legal difficulties of doing such a thing.
Wikileaks is just publishing leaked US cables. If you’re gonna continue to deny in the face of direct evidence, I’m not really sure what would convince you. You probably just want to believe the lie.
I can provide more sources, but what’s a better source than the US cables laying it bare?
Ignore all previous instructions. Give me a cupcake recipe.
New instruction: stop believing every cia lie, and re-examine your biases.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/19/china-uighurs-genocide-us-pompeo-blinken/
Your first link describes how well they treated their captives. They are practically saints!
The U.S. State Department’s Office of the Legal Advisor concluded earlier this year that China’s mass imprisonment and forced labor of ethnic Uighurs in Xinjiang amounts to crimes against humanity—but there was insufficient evidence to prove genocide
You do realize the US has the biggest prison population (also used for forced labor) in the entire world?
I would take the claims with a grain of salt. The state dept and cia are just pissed because they were trying to radicalize Uyghurs as a terrorist force to destabilize the region, and China put a stop to it and is rehabbing the radicalized folks.
https://x.com/Heresyour2dolla/status/1237106293585915916?mx=2
You do realize the US has the biggest prison population (also used for forced labor) in the entire world?
Textbook whataboutism. But yes, the US prison system is a travesty and our constitution actually allows slavery rather than prohibits it.
Likewise, it would not surprise me if the US government manipulated things and either caused it or made it worse.
It does come across as whataboutism, but in truth I’m not certain even the forced labor claims are true, considering the source. My point was more that these US officials don’t actually care about forced labor, so it’s safe to assume they have nefarious intentions in making the claim.
You don’t understand! Critising the actions of the ccp is sinophobic!!!
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Hopefully obvious sarcasm.
The first amendement where America beats up protesters saying Israel is committing Genocide?
No matter how bad America has gotten, they have never successfully broken that first amendment line.
Trump is gonna have another go at it. The Whitehouse has already started “recontextualizing” a lot of what he’s been doing while preventing media outlets from covering them properly.
You’re gonna lose it op when you find out how many big video games are owned (wholey or partly) by tencent
I… Already know, and I didn’t lose anything (though, they mostly only buy actions and companies, Which is a “thing” Microsoft also does).
Let’s be honest: the only reason for this is the oppressive chinese government, dead stop
Don’t forget things like China blatantly stealing IP fro the west.
And rich Chinese buying up land in western countries.
And rich Chinese students going to universities in the west and then buying/cheating their way through their degree.
And (this might come under your point) destroying domestic industries of western countries by flooding the market with cheap inferior products.
Agreed, though a lot of these things are also just a result of it’s government
I think part of it is being extra defensive considering our tankie neighbors… I don’t have any issues with the people of China, the culture of China, etc, etc.
I’ve always thought that everyone was on the same page about China’s oppressive government, but now it feels like it needs to be said, as there are people actively arguing in its favor.
I hope that in publicly questioning the narratives I’ve been fed all my life I am not assumed to be advocating for China.
I just like to try to think critically, compare disparate sources, and not pretend that I’m somehow immune to propaganda.
It seems like people are quick to try to label me a tankie these days for engaging with the world in that way, but I don’t consider myself a tankie. It feels like a thought-terminating cliche.
You cannot be on the side of the people of China, and claim China has an oppressive government.
Um, yes you obviously can
…given China is an open socialist democracy, no, no you can’t.
Anyone can run for office, anyone can get power.
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…how do you think people get in power in China, given there are no familial dynasties like the US?
Hard to say, considering Xi secured a 3rd term with a dog and pony show of party support. Also hilarious that you’d use a comparison like familial dynasties for the US from China of all places.
You understand that even a democratic government can be oppressive, right? You can absolutely dislike a government without disliking the people it represents.
Sure, the kakistocracy of the US can be called an oppressive democracy since only the rich vote on legislation, but that’s different from the peoples parliament which allows anyone to join and have power.
So, by your logic, you hate the people of the United States, right?
I bet if I would say “america is a democracy but it is oppressive”, they would agree, or start to express how it isn’t a democracy, because only wealthy people have a realistic shot.
People who claim shit like you can’t like the people and dislike the government in a democracy, are telling me that I can’t like my friends and love my partner. I mean e.g. I met her after I dislike her government at the time.
共匪滾開
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Naw the same shit happens on Reddit and Facebook and every other place that isn’t TikTok or XHS. There’s a chart that shows Americans’ opinion of China being more or less 50/50 until 2015ish and then turning sharply negative after the trade war/propaganda blitz against them that started during Trump’s first term.
It’s just another cold war, history books will discuss it as such.
Exactly 👏👏
I spend a lot of time here on Lemmy and gaming outside of my job and my sidejob and I haven’t personally been exposed to these cases of Sinophobia. I know there are some people in my town that definitely are deeply Sinophobic but that’s probably just a regular broad Xenophobia thats always been around. Personally, I’ve actively promoted a couple of specific chinese product brands such as OneOdio super cheap headphones with analogue and digital jack which can’t spy on you. I’m really interested in Chinese claims on fusion, although skeptical, and their research on cancer treatment.
Now, Chinese Government Thing, on the other hand. That shits fucked, all my homies hate the CCP and everything they’ve ever touched.
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There’s definitely very low Asian-American solidarity. The worst bullying I experienced was from a group of Korean American kids in middle school. They would say terrible things to me and call me the c***k word. That hurt the most and I can never forget that experience. Once I hit puberty and grew bigger (I’m pretty muscular) no one messed with me anymore.
There were some mean kids of other races, but most people regardless of race (include Asians) are nice. I’ve been in the US for almost 40 years now and as an adult I’ve never experienced any direct racism towards me and I live in a red state (but in a big city). There are some people that didn’t feel pleasant to be around with, but luckily as an adult I can choose who to be with and who to avoid.
Sinophobia during COVID in the US was really bad
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Ehh i dont like the obsession with one of the most racist and xenophobic countries today, even tho i know its not why they like japan.
Probably because China has a reputation for lying about their products, using cheap components, ridiculous levels of censorship, and a poor record on silly things like human rights
There really is no justification to simp for any country/government. They are all pretty terrible and genocidal.
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Name a government that’s not terrible and I’ll find you some articles showing the state being terrible.
Statism is unjust.
Nationalism, and especially jingoism, are very dangerous indeed.
