You once again misstate the Center, which is of course to be expected on Tankie Central, couple that with the Far Left having just spent last spring and summer waiving the flags of hezbollah and hamas marching and camping in university commons across the nation chanting “from the river to the sea”, your sad faced leftists is particularly laughable
“Caring about Palestine” is not the same as waving the flags of Hezbollah, and Hamas, and changing “from the river to the sea”
I support Palestine and Palestinians. Israel is committing genocide.
I am also Jewish and will never wave a Hezbollah or Hamas flag, nor will you ever hear me chant that antisemitic phrase promoting the extermination of Jews.
You’re acting just as bad as the Israelis when it comes to perceiving anything but complete support for everything they do as an attack
Which sea and which river was that again? Is it perhaps some geography that categorically precludes the existence of Israel? Since, you know, from the river to the sea must be free, and I am pretty sure they don’t mean “free, under Israeli governance”
My understanding was that the phrase “from the river to the sea” is associated with a “one-state-solution” to the conflict. The second link in the comment you’re replying to goes into this more in depth, but it’s not a new discussion: here’s a piece from Edward Saïd in 1999.
A one state solution doesn’t call for the genocide of Israelis. The equal and active participation of the Israeli people would be necessary for such a one state solution to work; you can’t solve a genocide with more genocide.
It’s about Palestinian emancipation from Israeli Settlers Colonialism, from Apartheid. Zionism has been about the Settler Colonialism and Ethnic Cleansing of the native Palestinians since the start. Partition was used to preemptively justify the Nakba. The 1967 occupation was used to justify expanding into the West Bank and Gaza and begin more settlements. I and many others support a One-State Solution, because it’s a One-State Reality, one entrenched in Apartheid.
I am pretty sure they don’t mean “free, under Israeli governance”
They do, but I’m not sure you understand the scope of brutality and violence Palestinians are subjugated to under Israel supremacy and Apartheid, and have been for generations.
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Zionism’s aims in Palestine, its deeply-held conviction
that the Land of Israel belonged exclusively to the Jewish people as a whole, and the idea of Palestine’s “civilizational barrenness" or “emptiness” against the background of European imperialist ideologies all converged in the logical conclusion that the native population should make way for thenewcomers.
The idea that the Palestinian Arabs must find a place for themselves elsewhere was articulated early on. Indeed, the founder of the movement, Theodor Herzl, provided an early reference to transfer even before he formally outlined his theory of Zionist rebirth in his Judenstat.
An 1895 entry in his diary provides in embryonic form many of the elements that were to be demonstrated repeatedly in the Zionist quest for solutions to the “Arab problem ”-the idea of dealing with state governments over the heads of the indigenous population, Jewish acquisition of property that would be inalienable, “Hebrew Land" and “Hebrew Labor,” and the removal of the native population.
Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades.
Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution
The settlements have created hundreds of isolated bantustans within the West Bank, preventing any two-state solution that may have been possible before the Israeli occupation in 1967
The settlements represent land-grabbing, and land-grabbing and peace-making don’t go together, it is one or the other. By its actions, if not always in its rhetoric, Israel has opted for land-grabbing and as we speak Israel is expanding settlements. So, Israel has been systematically destroying the basis for a viable Palestinian state and this is the declared objective of the Likud and Netanyahu who used to pretend to accept a two-state solution. In the lead up to the last election, he said there will be no Palestinian state on his watch. The expansion of settlements and the wall mean that there cannot be a viable Palestinian state with territorial contiguity. The most that the Palestinians can hope for is Bantustans, a series of enclaves surrounded by Israeli settlements and Israeli military bases.
Adi Callai has also written on the parallels in his article The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and expanded upon in his corresponding video. It’s seriously worth a watch
I agree with the start of this post, and then it got a were bit unhinged.
I’m not acting anything, I was responding to your weird post that seemed to insinuate this place was communist central and everyone here was Hamas sympathisers.
I don’t know enough history to understand why Hezbollah are seen as worse than the IDF. Even when I researched, I couldn’t find anywhere near the civilian body count. I thought that was the hallmark of terrorism.
You once again misstate the Center, which is of course to be expected on Tankie Central, couple that with the Far Left having just spent last spring and summer waiving the flags of hezbollah and hamas marching and camping in university commons across the nation chanting “from the river to the sea”, your sad faced leftists is particularly laughable
You think caring about Palestinian’s is a communist thing?
I’m not a communist but I say a few things loud and clear. Free Palestine. Fuck the IDF…
“Caring about Palestine” is not the same as waving the flags of Hezbollah, and Hamas, and changing “from the river to the sea”
I support Palestine and Palestinians. Israel is committing genocide.
I am also Jewish and will never wave a Hezbollah or Hamas flag, nor will you ever hear me chant that antisemitic phrase promoting the extermination of Jews.
You’re acting just as bad as the Israelis when it comes to perceiving anything but complete support for everything they do as an attack
The slogan From the River to the Sea is about Palestinian liberation that started in the 60s by the PLO for a democratic secular state, not Genocide. The Syrian leader Hafez al-Assad in 1966 maybe, but he’s not Palestinian.
Which sea and which river was that again? Is it perhaps some geography that categorically precludes the existence of Israel? Since, you know, from the river to the sea must be free, and I am pretty sure they don’t mean “free, under Israeli governance”
My understanding was that the phrase “from the river to the sea” is associated with a “one-state-solution” to the conflict. The second link in the comment you’re replying to goes into this more in depth, but it’s not a new discussion: here’s a piece from Edward Saïd in 1999.
A one state solution doesn’t call for the genocide of Israelis. The equal and active participation of the Israeli people would be necessary for such a one state solution to work; you can’t solve a genocide with more genocide.
It’s about Palestinian emancipation from Israeli Settlers Colonialism, from Apartheid. Zionism has been about the Settler Colonialism and Ethnic Cleansing of the native Palestinians since the start. Partition was used to preemptively justify the Nakba. The 1967 occupation was used to justify expanding into the West Bank and Gaza and begin more settlements. I and many others support a One-State Solution, because it’s a One-State Reality, one entrenched in Apartheid.
They do, but I’m not sure you understand the scope of brutality and violence Palestinians are subjugated to under Israel supremacy and Apartheid, and have been for generations.
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Page 8, The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948
10 myths of Israel by Ilan Pappe, summerized and full book
Transfer Committee and the JNF led to Forced Displacement of 100,000 Palestinians throughout the mandate.
1967 war: Haaretz, Forward
Israel Martial Law and Defence (Emergency) Regulations practiced in the occupied territories after 1967
Peace Process and Solution
Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades.
Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution
(Oslo Accord Sources: MEE, NYT, Haaretz, AJ).
The settlements have created hundreds of isolated bantustans within the West Bank, preventing any two-state solution that may have been possible before the Israeli occupation in 1967
How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution
‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe
One State Solution, Foreign Affairs
Historian Works on the History
Palestine: A Four Thousand Year History - Nur Masalha
The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948 - Nur Masalha
A History of Modern Palestine - Ilan Pappe
The Hundred Years’ War on Palestine - Rashid Khalidi
The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine - Ilan Pappe
The 1967 Arab-Israeli War: Origins and Consequences - Avi Shlaim
The Biggest Prison on Earth: A History of the Occupied Territories - Ilan Pappe
The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-development - Sara Roy
10 Myths About Israel - Ilan Pappe (summery)
In the Shadow of the Holocaust by Masha Gessen, the situation in Gaza is compared to the Warsaw Ghettos. The comparison was also made by a Palestinian poet who was later killed by an Israeli airstrike.
Adi Callai has also written on the parallels in his article The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and expanded upon in his corresponding video. It’s seriously worth a watch
I agree with the start of this post, and then it got a were bit unhinged.
I’m not acting anything, I was responding to your weird post that seemed to insinuate this place was communist central and everyone here was Hamas sympathisers.
I don’t know enough history to understand why Hezbollah are seen as worse than the IDF. Even when I researched, I couldn’t find anywhere near the civilian body count. I thought that was the hallmark of terrorism.
It’s really, really easy to find a ton of information on Hezbollah and their history of criminal atrocities. Like, 20 minutes of googling easy.
Also it wasn’t my comment you were replying to.
What are you trying to say? Incomprehensible
This is an excellent example of how the Democrats lost the last election.
You think lemmy.world is tankie central?