In an unexpected mask off, “secure” email and VPN provider Proton took the stance of siding with the fascist MAGA Reps. Proton’s services are no option for me and many others any longer. Let’s collect and discuss alternatives (E2E encrypted email and VPN) here 🔐👇

Always try to provide: -Server location (jurisdiction) -Governance -Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency -User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8) -Pricing and links

If you knowalternatives setups, feel free to share, too.

#ProtonExodus

Background: https://lemmy.ca/comment/13913116

  • TCB13@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    4 months ago

    This is amazing. People were perfectly okay with ignoring all the red flags in Proton and their products and really okay with buying all their bullshit, then a tweet saying Trump comes up and that’s it. lol

    • Saleh@feddit.org
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      4 months ago

      I guess on the one hand people are anxious about Trumps inaugeration and on the other hand this is a great opportunity for competitors or otherwise opposed people to launch an astroturfing campaign off of it.

      When looking at posts titled has gone “full MAGA” for saying they feel Trump is more likely to enact antitrust rules against big tech than Democrats who let them down the past years, is just absurd.

      It is the same line of reasoning like claiming the WHO to have been a chinese asset because they supported some of Chinas anti-Covid measures.

  • HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    4 months ago

    I’ll still continue using proton, as I haven’t seen them staying from their goal just yet, but I’d love to see some alternatives non the less.

  • Roopappy@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    I’ve been doing research into this because I want to degoogle. Looking for hosted and secure Mail, Calendar, Drive… maybe docs if possible. I don’t mind paying as long as I’m a customer and not a product to be sold.

    My short list was: Mailbox.org, Zoho, and Notion.

    Then there are the services I don’t understand as much because I don’t really want to self host or step into server maintenance… NextCloud, OwnCloud, LibreCloud, OnlyOffice. Maybe someone could straighten me out with those if I’m off base.

  • _cryptagion [he/him]@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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    4 months ago

    There’s plenty of alternatives for mail out there. As for me, what happened isn’t enough for me to consider leaving Proton for another service. There isn’t anywhere else that offers all the services Proton does for $8/month.

  • TypicalHog@lemm.eeEnglish
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    4 months ago

    LMAO! This is the type of person who would leave Steam if Gabe endorsed Trump.

  • tisktisk@piefed.socialEnglish
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    4 months ago

    Can we stop stooping to their level and quit the ‘fascist’ rhetoric. How can ppl like OP not recognize they revel in anyone antagonizing with the absurd ‘fascist’. All the mud-slinging is exactly how all this got so messed up so quickly

    Also who’s going to mailbox with me?

  • red@lemmy.zipEnglish
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    4 months ago

    using services based on the ceos political leaning instead of actual features and policies of thats service? that’s dumb, tell me when that political leaning reflects in polices of proton then we can talk

    • pflanzenregal@lemmy.world
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      4 months ago

      I guess the assumption is that over time they inevitably will have an effect and people want to switch before that happens.

      • red@lemmy.zipEnglish
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        4 months ago

        why exactly is it inevitable? and why should we switch before it happens?

      • Anonymouse@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        4 months ago

        You’re both right. I’d do the same to jump ship before the enshitification sets in. Often, I’ve seen how innocuous policy and feature changes creep in and before you know it, the switching costs are too high.

        I had an app on my phone and one day they removed the export function. I only used it for backing up my data but when they raised rates and started slamming with ads, I wanted to leave but could not take my data with me. I ended to just uninstalling and starring over elsewhere.

        Also, this is exactly what happened to reddit. They cut the api first so it was harder to take your communities and saved stuff with you.

  • secretlyaddictedtolinux@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    If a car company in Germany complemented Hitler on his paintings, would it be still fine to buy their cars? And what if they were a really great car company and only mentioned how cool Hitler’s paintings were and nothing else?

    I sort of feel like if I am cool with Proton’s statement, then I also am cool with trans people and Latino people and Gazan people being treated poorly, and I’m not actually cool with that.

    It’s unfortunate, because despite Proton not accepting XMR and logging IPs when they promised they wouldn’t and doing other questionable practices, they have a lot of great services. But now, it’s like if I’m using their services, I’m sort of spitting on the grave of every trans person who ended their life out of shame, spitting on the grave of every dead Gazan who simply didn’t want to die, and being disrespectful to all the cool Latinos out there who have been degraded simply out of racism.

    :-(

  • sykael@startrek.website
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    4 months ago

    Currently exploring my options, thinking of switching to Tuta. It sucks because I literally just paid for a Proton annual plan, looking if I can cancel it and get (part of) my money back…