I guess that is the fundamental disagreement here. For some folks, like immigrants, they may not be able to go to the part and smell the flowers anymore - because they’ll be forced out:

https://apnews.com/article/trump-mass-deportations-latino-voters-ec64f85e3633c9c7a8a247eaf9feb64f

Even becoming a citizen before the election may not keep you safe since remigration is being brought up

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/09/trump-remigration-far-right-europe-immigration/

Only if you think Kamala values her unpopular policy positions more than she wants to be at trump.

I think Harris values beating the other guy and saving democracy more than all else at this point, and this is the reason why her positions have swung so rightward.

It’s to the point that not only the rightie Liz Cheney, but even Dick Cheney, is able to vote for and endorse Harris.

I’m voting for her,

Me too.

but she’ll get more votes moving to the left,

Citation needed. And considering what’s at stake, you better be able to provide strong evidence of this. (I’ve previously explained why we need moderate Republican votes to win and the reasons suck but we’re not in a position to change it prior to this election.)

and I really really want to beat trump, so I’m going to keep making noise till the election.

Same here. I’ll keep explaining why we need to join with moderate never trumpers to win this election.

Like, what’s the negative to do what the Dem voter base wants?

Losing the moderate republican vote in places like the midwest and in battleground states - where Dems really need to win, due to the nature of the Electoral College.

Why only move to the right for votes,

To win of course.

and how does that lead to anything but the country moving to he right.

The government? Unfortunately it doesn’t - unless we’re able to get something extreme pushed thru like the 127 DC states plan.

But the country as a whole? If democracy prevails, they will move however they move and it’ll be up to the politicians to respond to the new electorate. Kinda like how Obama’s views on gay marriage evolved.

No, they’ll just not vote like a third of the country always does…

Well hopefully they’ll still understand that democracy is at state and thus turn out for Harris, saving their protest non-vote for future cycles (when it’s back to business as usual).

Everytime she moves right her numbers get worse…

Eh, I’d think most polls can’t be trusted (remember in 2016 when polling said Clinton was sure to win?)

Except Nate Silver got it right in 2016, so following what he says, https://www.natesilver.net/p/nate-silver-2024-president-election-polls-model

Last update: 2 p.m., Monday, October 14.
Harris 49.4% Trump 46.5%

I think this is a case of some Dems just getting jitters before the final lap.

But she keeps moving to the right, I don’t know what she expects to happen.

That she’ll keep the Dem voters and win over the moderate never trumper Republican vote?

If she wants to stop trump, all she has to do is move left to align more with Dem voters.

A big key issue in 2020 was electibility. It’s why Biden won back then over more leftie primary candidates, and why the 2nd place primary candidate (Sanders - whose leftie credentials are undeniable) was an old white dude.

Eh, ideally there’s be a way to a) tell the external source it’s time to update and b) have an admin or the bot owner apply a manual patch in cases where the original source won’t obey (e.g. because MFBC is owned by the outlet that they’re reporting on or something). Perhaps a topic best discussed elsewhere though…

Agreed. They are fine folks for what they do. Proud to have them represent the UN.

Shot themselves in the foot,basically.

She did that two years ago, she cast the tie breaking vote against a fracking ban.

Yeah, then the courts came in and prevented then from stopping fracking, https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/28/climate/biden-drilling-leases.html

It’s not just a couple moves thinking it’ll help her win the election, it’s been a steady and sustained change.
Obama did it too, but he started a lot further left than Kamala.

The fact that they did it shows just how well they understand that they need the center to win. This is unfortunate, but, can’t be helped.

Anyways, the time to deal with this is post-election, where we win over the hearts and minds of the rural and midwestern US to evolve a new position to end fracking nationwide.

My two cents: Harris changing her opinions seem to match her trying to grasp what the majority of the public wants.

This is a good thing as Harris then isn’t being wishy-washy for no reason, but she is evolving her views to match the electorate.

Basically took every major platform point from Joe Biden and moved it right…

Sadly makes sense. In 2019 she was trying to distinguish herself from other Dems in a primary. In 2024 she’s trying to win over moderate Republicans.

voters will hold their nose for shittier policy.

Because of course we need the moderate Republican vote to win, and even a rightward Harris is better than the other option. The idea is that Harris wins the next two elections, and good chance the other guy won’t be able to run when he’s in his 90s. So democracy saved, and then we go back to elections-as-usual.

But campaigns wouldn’t cost over a billion dollars then

I agree this is bad, but blame Citizens United (2010).

The goal of the DMC is to give voters just enough that they could win,

Leftie voters, that is.

instead, we could give voters the platform they want and just always win

Well, that’s what they’re trying to do indeed. But the coalition is too broad with too many disagreements, so not everyone can get everything they want. Your way could well cost Harris the election.

Thank you for this. I felt something was off, and now I know why.

This is definitely one time when the bot is useful, correctly identifies a junk source.

While it’s good their finally doing it… The fuck did they wait for tho?

The GOP guy fought California and tried to shut down their rules and autonomy back when he was Prez. Biden and Harris wouldn’t do that, so while they did continue to improve things in California there wasn’t really a need for “proofing” per se.

I think there are two good reasons to ignore what happened in Biden admin.

First, Harris is running, and despite her current platform she’s likely to do much better on this, as per https://heated.world/p/when-kamala-harris-sued-obama-over

Second, even under Biden, this was forced, see https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/28/climate/biden-drilling-leases.html

(Kinda odd how they’re now running as pro-fracking and how much they supported drilling when in fact they did so only because they were forced to, but hey whatever wins the votes I guess?)

Exactly this. In addition to the Jewish voting bloc having a more realistic alternative, there’s also a money issue. Basically Dems are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Normally the reason this makes sense is - if the leading party that supports your side isn’t supporting it enough, going to the other side punishes your party. It’s an attempt to pressure your party into adopting a better position. And normally it works even if the other side’s position is even worse, since your party would listen and work to get the votes back in the next election. So under normal circumstances, this is a fair play.

What’s tough here is that there might not be another chance if Harris doesn’t win this election since Democracy itself is at stake. So these aren’t normal circumstances.

Ah, yes that makes sense. Either ACA or DREAM would have burned thru too much on it’s own, so that would have had to be the first one and then ACA/DREAM as the second act.

In fairness, it seems that he feels he’s not out of the woods yet, https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/11/bob-woodward-book-mark-milley-trump

Probably with good reason, https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/25/trump-paul-gosar-suggest-gen-mark-milley-deserves-death.html

Thanks, the tip about the reader view solves the original issue (on reading nagwalled articles). I run my own pyfedi/piefed instance so I’d be surprised if I could use a lemmy client, but I’ll keep it in mind.

If only there was a way I could feed my reader view into archive.is (which would solve the other issue, that of preserving the article in case the original ever goes down).

Farley said she and Rios agreed that Farley would write and deliver the letter because Rios had COVID-19 at the time, and she asserted that Rios was on the phone with Farley while Farley delivered the letter to LaRose’s office in downtown Columbus.
The reason the Stein campaign is now claiming is that they didn’t authorize the letter, Farley said at the time, is “because they’re trying to save their butt.”

All the evidence so far suggests that Stein will lose. Lying to stay on the ballot?

According to Farley, she and Rios decided to try to swap in Ware’s name after unsuccessfully trying to reach Stein’s campaign for guidance.

Self-inflicted then? If Stein had answered she might still be on the ballot in Ohio.

LaRose’s office noted, accurately, that it was too late under state law to replace Rios’s name with Ware’s on the ballot. But it accepted Rios’ withdrawal

This part I don’t quite get. Why did Rios et al continue to pursue withdrawal in this case? LaRose shouldn’t have accepted the withdrawal unless Rios made clear she understood the consequences and wanted to go ahead regardless.