We do

Stop telling deadly lies. There is absolutely no evidence for god. You have not provided any, you only have fallacies.

Here is the definition.

“The essence of a being considered as the principle of activity.” So you and I have different natures.

“Also the substance of a thing as distinguished from its properties, considered as the source of its operations.” This is nonsense. Do you have an example?

“In contrast with God, it is the created universe. In contrast to the life and operations of divine grace, it is that to which a human person has claim, as creature, as distinct from a share in God’s own life, which is the supernatural.”

This makes no sense. Nothing is supernatural. How do you determine what the opposite of a nature is? What is the opposite of human nature, if we pretend that exists for a moment?

It was written by humans, inspired by God.

If you are pretending the bible was written by god, then why does it contain mistakes?

If you are admitting that it was written by humans, why should we believe any of it?

Show me the evidence.

Humans wrote the bible. You even admitted that. But then you added the completey unproven and ridiculous claim that it was inspired by god.

It contains blatant contradictions with itself and our reality. Example: what year was Jesus born?

Do rabbits chew cud?

Do you actually believe the world was made in 6-7 days? If so, in what order? Genesis 2 contradicts Genesis 1. Why did god write such an unbelievable book if we’re supposed to believe it? He’s not all powerful, clearly. Your bullshit about “humans can’t understand omnipotence”… Humans can understand language. Humans can understand what we can sense. So why is god unable to communicate with no errors?

Do you believe that I am going to hell for being honest, for having intellectual integrity? Your god is an abuser.

You are defending a death cult.

People are dying for you.

Please. Think.

Stop making bullshit excuses and start relying on the reality we share. Anything less makes you a murderer.

Because God and the universe are not equal.

We have evidence for the universe. We have no evidence for god.

They are of different natures entirely.

Based on your arbitrary, inconsistent definition of “nature”.

I mean omnipotence IS hard to comprehend for us since we’re human

It’s pretty easy: if an omnipotent being existed, they could do anything. They would need nothing. So if an omnipotent being exists, and suffering exists, it is because that omnipotent being wants that suffering to exist.

It’s not love. It’s a death cult.

You keep going backwards. You assert things about god and then you pretend there are reasons to believe it. If we go ground-up from what we can sense, no god ever enters the picture. There is no reason to assume his existence.

How many genes must be different for two beings to have different natures? Or how is it defined, how is it measured? You’re drawing lines arbitrarily and pretending to know things no person can know.

Why did god write such a shitty book? Why are none of his miracles clearly documented? He must not be trying very hard to convince anyone that he is actually there. All evidence suggests that humans invented god.

The fact that our lives will come to an end makes every moment we have more precious. These are unique experiences that cannot be replicated.

Easy to say, and I do believe it, but also…

Boomers like my parents chose and still choose to perpetuate abusive systems instead of opposing them. I spent too long thanking them for teaching me violence because any other reaction would be met with violence. Why am I supposed to feel grateful about being born into a backwards, burning slave world?

I am finally getting treatment for alcohol dependency. I want to stop hiding from my own life, but I don’t know how. I wasted myself on people who don’t actually care about anything but themselves. It sometimes feels like there is too much pain for anything to be worthwhile, but I am also too scared to check out early.

So… I don’t know. We have a lot of problems to solve. Things may get worse before they get better, but there is potential for things to get better. Theoretically. 🤷 I hope they get better for everyone, including you. I wish I knew.

Why are you assuming it was created by someone? There is no evidence to suggest that.

If god doesn’t need a first cause, why does the universe?

If the universe needs a first cause, why doesn’t god?

All you have is special pleading and god of the gaps.

Those are fallacies, not evidence.

I recently started treatment for my alcohol dependency; imo, no one should drink it. Alcohol is basically poison. It is worse the younger you start:

The brain is still developing throughout the teen years. Research shows that heavy drinking in the teen years can cause long-lasting harm to their learning, memory, and reasoning.

https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohols-effects-health/niaaa-middle-school/too-soon-too-dangerous

Where is the evidence? All we have is claims.

How do you know? Everything you’ve shown so far is natural phenomena and humans making shit up.

Why do you pretend there is a god?

People are dying for your mistakes.

Another polish article about this: https://naukawpolsce.pl/aktualnosci/news%2C367624%2Cuniwersytet-medyczny-odcina-sie-od-badan-ws-cudu-w-sokolce.html

The Medical University of Białystok officially distances itself from the results of these studies and emphasizes that the university does not endorse them.

One of the most valuable things about science is the consistent ability for anyone to repeat the experiment and get the same result. Why does the catholic church keep hiding from showing us that it is true?

“We did not do this as a university,” Chyczewski told PAP, adding that the tests were conducted illegally, “quietly,” outside the official channels. They took place at the Academic Department of Pathomorphological Diagnostics. Chyczewski emphasizes that the university was not commissioned to perform these tests, and the study was not registered anywhere. “Please do not attribute the diagnosis to any specific department operating within the institution called the Medical University,” Chyczewski wrote in his statement.

Why didn’t they collaborate with the university, if they have legitimate evidence?

Professor Chyczewski believes that his colleagues who made the diagnosis made a “schoolboy error” by trying to combine theology and biology, which, in his opinion, is impossible.

Because biology is evident and theology is not.

Just a few weeks ago, when the news of the tests became public, Archbishop Ozorowski said: “We are dealing with an extremely subtle matter. If we confess that this is the body of Christ, we cannot just cut it into pieces and subject it to tests. We must exercise caution and a certain fear.”

Fear of your own savior? Fear of your “loving” god’s punishment for proving his own existence? This same god who once loved when his own creations were eviscerated and cooked now is squeamish? Ohhhh, no, I get it, he’s only offended when it’s his OWN flesh that gets… Wait, what about Jesus, though? He was willing to make that sacrifice, but not this one?

Please stop defending catholicism. It is a death cult. People are dying for your false beliefs.

But without detailed reports? You just take them at their word?

You believe god is all-powerful, yes? And you believe this is how he chooses to interact with us?

Why would I do that when it’s not my claim? The onus is on you to show that they were disallowed.

If you can disprove the contents of the article you chose to criticize, please do.

I know what the article and the headline say. Your initial criticism is still invalid.

Can you find a source that says they were allowed to resubmit the post?

I do not have a facebook account to see the group page for myself. According to the article, the criticism was not reposted. It was banned there, as reflected by the headline.

They asked about submitting the post for approval

…which was ignored. Instead:

they were offered a meeting with Acton.

…which turned out to be a lie.

Where do you get the idea that they were allowed to resubmit the post?

the Ohio Democratic Party had demanded the criticism be removed. The caucus protested, appealed, but then relented. The criticism never went back up.

It was banned.

No. Remember? They tried that:

After deleting the original statement, we promptly asked about submitting the post for approval through the proper channels so that it could be reposted. At this point, ODP staff informed us that a meeting with Acton was on the table. After thorough discussion, caucus leadership determined this offer aligned with our goal to bring our message directly to her.

They got tricked into attending a meeting without Acton. And some of them weren’t allowed into the meeting.

That isn’t the question. The question is “why can’t the original posters resubmit through the proper channels”? Because it was banned.

The page where it could do the most good. Why is that not enough for you? It is still a ban.

Sokolka went through electron microscopy, and serratia tests.

How do we know that?

I found a Polish newspaper article suggesting the research was amateurishly performed and should have been more extensive. I used the auto-translate feature that my browser has, I can’t guarantee accuracy.

https://www.rp.pl/kosciol/art7471901-co-sie-naprawde-stalo-w-sokolce

What kind of research did Professor Sulkowski perform? It’s unclear exactly. He enigmatically replies that it fell within the scope of his specialty.

However, he refuses to say how the nuclei were arranged in the fiber of the tissue he examined. “Such questions fall within the purview of the appropriate commission investigating the miracle,” he says, cutting the conversation short.

DNA testing would precisely indicate whether the tissue being examined is human or animal, and whether it’s male or female. “We would determine with a high degree of probability what region of the world it comes from. We would dispel any doubts,” assures Professor Śliwka.

Prof. Chyczewski: – The Archbishop was not interested in conducting such research. I was told that since the material was believed to be of miraculous origin, there was no need to bother with it any further.

Did he even publish his results? There should be images, evidence. So far we still just have claims.

They posted to Facebook. The post was taken down, allegedly because they did not go through proper channels to post it. Their requests to return the post to Facebook were met with invitations to a shitty zoom call they couldn’t enter with a person who did not attend.

that specific criticism isn’t banned because we just read that criticism in a substack

It remains forbidden from being posted on their Facebook page.

I appreciate you trying to hold headline authors accountable, but I don’t see how this headline is inaccurate.

Ohio Dem Party Has Banned Criticism Of Gov. Candidate Amy Acton Calling Trans Girls “Boys”

I think it is future-proof, too. Even if the post is restored, the fact remains that it was once banned.

That is a letter, not a report.

I have not been able to find the report myself, but other scientists have commented on it, including catholic “scientists”:

DR. KELLY KEARSE, A CHEMIST SPECIALIZING IN BLOOD RESEARCH AND IMMUNOLOGY AND A TEACHER AT KNOXVILLE CATHOLIC HIGH SCHOOL, IS CALLING FOR THE USE OF MORE ACCURATE RESEARCH METHODS IN INVESTIGATING THE SHROUD OF TURIN AND OTHER RELIGIOUS PHENOMENA THOUGHT TO BE DIVINE.

Dr. Kearse points out important natural explanations that were never addressed. Until those are ruled out as causes, it is premature to claim a miracle.

It seems remarkable that all five test for the same, rare blood type. But there is a problem: the A and B antigens are not unique to humans. Since the 1960s, biologists have known that bacteria cells also have A and B antigens on their surfaces. Hence, if a sample is contaminated with bacteria, even if it contains no blood at all, it could still show a type AB blood result in this test.

A “very low concentration of human DNA” is indicative of handling contamination. In forensic DNA tests, trace amounts of DNA from humans who touch a sample can be unintentionally amplified, and reports say the hosts were touched by several people.

https://etcatholic.org/2025/01/exaggerations-and-eucharistic-miracles/

Dumb fuck, it’s not all-or-nothing. Specific criticism that could make a positive difference is being censored. I’m sorry you fucked up, but please stop pretending otherwise. It was an easy mistake, but a harmful one. We should not downplay what is happening here, criticism was banned.