I mean I understand that there are academic standards of proof, but the idea that those are necessary for casual conversations about easily understood concepts is pretty ridiculous.
It seems like one of those bojack memes where the drooling person at the one end and the Jedi at the other end would both say just count a couple of rocks and the nerd in between would be saying write a 300-page proof.
Things like basic property of counting are not mathematical strict definitions.
Relying on “dude, it’s obvious” doesn’t work in science, you need to prove things. Otherwise you’d think a feather and a cannonball always fall a different speeds, for instance.
And you’re trying to prove that mathematics works the same way as physics weirdly with regards to proof? It doesn’t. You do proofs in precalculus and none of them involve dropping cannonballs and feathers from the ceiling.
But again, we’re not talking about an environment where formal proofs are necessary. This is social media, we’re a link under cat photos.
You’re kinda sensitive about everything. You want a 300-page thesis before acknowledging that 1+1=2.
Which it’s kinda funny, this whole thing has been an aside but like…you said you tried to read it and didn’t really understand it. Is that really what you need to have a casual conversation about something? A proof, study, or document too long or complicated for you to be able to prove it’s wrong?
I don’t want it, I said that it exists and it was needed because science it’s an exact thing that requires proofs, experiments and data. What I want is any data that shows that Zionism causes a rise in Antisemitism, because I haven’t seen any change. I only got “trust me bro” so far.
I also use electricity without knowing how a nuclear reactor works, if you want to criticize that.
I’m not quite sure that belief in zionism is measurable, but I’m sure you can find a source about antisemitism and zionist actions by Israel.
Anecdotally, I haven’t seen as many “stop the hate” campaigns that are basically about antisemitism as I have since the major military actions started in the Gaza in my lifetime.
I’d look it up if I really cared anything about the outcome of the discussion but it really doesn’t interest me that much to be honest.
It’s a basic property of counting though, right?
I mean I understand that there are academic standards of proof, but the idea that those are necessary for casual conversations about easily understood concepts is pretty ridiculous.
It seems like one of those bojack memes where the drooling person at the one end and the Jedi at the other end would both say just count a couple of rocks and the nerd in between would be saying write a 300-page proof.
Things like basic property of counting are not mathematical strict definitions.
Relying on “dude, it’s obvious” doesn’t work in science, you need to prove things. Otherwise you’d think a feather and a cannonball always fall a different speeds, for instance.
Mathematics isn’t an empirical science.
And you’re trying to prove that mathematics works the same way as physics weirdly with regards to proof? It doesn’t. You do proofs in precalculus and none of them involve dropping cannonballs and feathers from the ceiling.
But again, we’re not talking about an environment where formal proofs are necessary. This is social media, we’re a link under cat photos.
My point is broader, you need data and rigor, not “dude, just look at it”.
And my point is that you don’t need data and rigor for every single discussion.
For something so sensitive, I like to have it. I won’t accept any broad generalization unless backed by a reputable study.
You’re kinda sensitive about everything. You want a 300-page thesis before acknowledging that 1+1=2.
Which it’s kinda funny, this whole thing has been an aside but like…you said you tried to read it and didn’t really understand it. Is that really what you need to have a casual conversation about something? A proof, study, or document too long or complicated for you to be able to prove it’s wrong?
I don’t want it, I said that it exists and it was needed because science it’s an exact thing that requires proofs, experiments and data. What I want is any data that shows that Zionism causes a rise in Antisemitism, because I haven’t seen any change. I only got “trust me bro” so far.
I also use electricity without knowing how a nuclear reactor works, if you want to criticize that.
I’m not quite sure that belief in zionism is measurable, but I’m sure you can find a source about antisemitism and zionist actions by Israel.
Anecdotally, I haven’t seen as many “stop the hate” campaigns that are basically about antisemitism as I have since the major military actions started in the Gaza in my lifetime.
I’d look it up if I really cared anything about the outcome of the discussion but it really doesn’t interest me that much to be honest.